John Edwards Wins First RK 2008 Straw Poll

By: Lowell
Published On: 6/24/2007 6:43:28 AM

The results are in, and with 102 votes cast, John Edwards of North Carolina has won the first RK Democratic Presidential nomination straw poll.  Edwards received 35% of the vote, not a majority but certainly a plurality.  In second place was "other," basically either Al Gore or Wes Clark, with 25% of the vote.  In third place was Barack Obama, at 22%.  After that, it really drops off to fourth place (Hillary Clinton at 9%), fifth place (Bill Richardson at 5%), sixth place (Joe Biden at 3%) and seventh place (Dennis Kucinich at 1%).

What do I draw from this poll?  Not a great deal, given that it was unscientific and also that only polled readers of RK.  Overall, though, I'm not too surprised at the support for John Edwards, given that he's from the neighboring state of North Carolina.  I suspect that Barack Obama has upside potential with African-American voters, who I suspect were underrepresented in the RK poll.  I also suspect that Gov. Kaine's endorsement of Obama will help, once the two of them start campaigning together. 

With regard to Hillary Clinton, the only way you can spin those results in to argue that the blogosphere is completely unrepresentative of the voting public.  That certainly could be the case, but if I were on the Clinton campaign, I certainly wouldn't be happy with the lack of support for her among the netroots at this point. 

Finally, the fact that "other" finished so high in the poll tells me that there's a significant segment of RK readers who are anxious about the current field, looking for someone else (Al Gore or possibly Wes Clark) to jump into the race.  My opinion is that a Gore/Clark ticket would be super-strong, including in Virginia.  But I'm not holding my breath for either one of those men to throw his hat in the ring.  If they do, something tells me that we'll need to do a new straw poll, and that we may get very different results the next time around. 


Comments



The Astonishing Rasmussen Results (The Grey Havens - 6/24/2007 7:29:18 AM)
Edwards and Clinton are Tied on postitives, but half of the country will never, NEVER, vote for her.  I was workinga gainst this whole, "clinton is unelectable" meme, that the right was spewing, but now I can't get past it.  I fear Dems are going to lose the White House by nominating Hillary.

Meanwhile, Edwards dominates all Republican challengers in head to head matchups, and his negatives are narly half of Hillary's.

This all despite the fact that John Edwards is by far the most progressive candidate with the most well-documented platform.  Hillary's plans are opaque, but we can't faile to figure she'd govern by Triangulation like Bill.  I was willing to look the other way on all of this until I realized that her primary labor advisor is a long time union buster.  We're going to be trading Karl Rove for Harris Miller.

And before we get oursleves too misty about the good-ol days with Bill, remember this:


Under Bill Clinton's watch, the federal government ended its commitment to poor people with Welfare Repeal, betrayed gays and lesbians with the Defense of Marriage Act, devastated family farms with the Freedom to Farm Bill, let media conglomerates take over with the Telecommunications Bill, violated civil liberties with the Anti-Terrorism Bill (which nobody remembers because we now have the Patriot Act), and pandered to anti-Castro extremists with the Helms-Burton Bill. And that was all just in 1996.

You don't lead the nation to a lasting center-left majority by fighting for the center-right, and you don't win anything by supporting a nominee who can't win.



NAFTA fucked us (WillieStark - 6/24/2007 1:28:51 PM)
The Clinton admin was good in some ways but lets face it.... NAFTA fucked us.

If the Clinton's would have fought as hard for health care as they did to fuck us with NAFTA we would have good health care now and a hell of a lot more jobs.



Match up (uva08 - 6/24/2007 3:13:50 PM)
If the race comes down to Clinton vs. Republican Nominee (I don't like any of the front runners)vs. Bloomberg I will have to give Bloomberg a serious look.  Clinton will be extremely divisive if she wins the general election.  It will be four more years of the same type of polarization we have seen the past seven years.  I am ready for a change and will vote for the candidate who will bring us back together.  We need a centrist candidate and if the Dems fail to deliver one I am going to have a hard time pulling the lever them.


I agree in principle (Chris Guy - 6/24/2007 10:52:13 PM)
Bloomberg may even be to the left of Clinton when I think about it. But I think overall a Bloomberg candidacy will benefit the Republican candidate. Right now most of the country thinks they know him since was a Republican mayor, but let's face facts. If you looked at his positions, any rational person would come to the conclusion that he's a Democrat, if they didn't know otherwise. So could I vote for him? Probably. Do I want him to run? Hell no.


I think you need to add a "I don't know" option next time. (Rob - 6/24/2007 3:27:50 PM)


I think "other" covered that. (Lowell - 6/24/2007 7:52:17 PM)
n/t


I agree with Rob... (Kindler - 6/24/2007 4:56:34 PM)
I wanted to vote: "Not yet committed." 

I mean, c'mon, folks, the election is a year and a half away.  It's fun to talk about, but is it really so urgent to commit to a nominee today?

Personally, I think Dems should focus a lot more on getting Congress to deliver results ASAP so that whoever is nominated has a strong record of Democratic accomplishment to run on.



Electablility (WillieStark - 6/24/2007 5:42:27 PM)
We want a combination of electability and progressivism. The most progressive of our candidates reside in the loony bin category. Edwards has 1. The most progressive health care plan. 2. Has the most reasonably progressive stance on the war in Iraq. I mean who else has led on this issue more in the last year or so. Why the hell weren't Obama and Hillary whipping their fellow Senators and lawmakers into line to stand up to Bush on the defunding. 3. No candidate speaks to the most pressing progressive issue of our time like John Edwards, meaning of course, the vast inequalities of wealth in our society and the poverty that goes ignored.

I mean it is pretty obvious that I like Edwards a lot. But it is not like this is some sort of blind loyalty. I honestly believe that he is the best guy for the job. Not just the guy who can win (which he is).

Word to the rest of you. And I may post this same spiel on a couple of different diaries here so be patient with that.

IF YOU ENJOY OUR MAJORITY, DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE SURE JOHN EDWARDS IS THE NOMINEE. HILLARY CLINTON WILL FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTYS CHANCES AT RETAINING CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

Yes I was yelling about this. I know we are months away from resolution of this contest for our nominee. And it is fun for the armchair pundits and commentators to talk about. But the accelerated season and amazingly intense scrutiny on the race demand that I yell a little. I mean, what the hell do we think will happen if the GOP takes another presidency. This is not just about the Democratic party or partisanship at all. It is about the United States not looking anything like what its ideals would like it to be. That is what is at stake.



It's not just the house and the senate (The Grey Havens - 6/24/2007 10:19:33 PM)
It's EVERY state legislature!

The length of Hillary's negative coattails cannot be overestimated.

Imagine this... from 2008 through the 2009 election, and throughout the entire runup to redistricting, Hillary is on the front page, with full frontal assaults on her from every ragin wacko on the right.

Rush will be deliriously happy as Virginia locks in red for the rest of the century.

uuugh!!!



I want Al Gore and/or Wes Clark (Lowell - 6/24/2007 10:42:25 PM)
But mainly, I want to win in 2008.  The future of our country and our planet depends on it.


Let's not forget ... (TheGreenMiles - 6/24/2007 7:58:14 PM)
Wesley Clark was a blogosphere favorite last time around, too.  Didn't get him anywhere.  To me, for better or for worse, polls like these show the disparity between the blogosphere and the rest of the Democratic party. 


Jim Webb was a blogosphere favorite too. (Lowell - 6/24/2007 8:02:48 PM)
Just sayin'...


Also, you can't blame the netroots (Lowell - 6/24/2007 8:04:31 PM)
for what happened to Wes Clark in 2003/04.  For more, see my book, "Netroots Rising," when it comes out late this year.  I've interviewed numerous people from the Clark campaign, and there's no doubt that the fault for what happened on that one did NOT lie  primarily with the netroots...


Another Netroots favorite... (Lowell - 6/24/2007 8:05:55 PM)
Jon Tester, now SENATOR Tester.  Also, ask Paul Hackett about his near-miraculous, netroots-fueled victory in 2005 over Jean Schmidt in an overwhelmingly Republican district.  And ask Ned Lamont what the netroots did for him, before the Republicans decided to dis their own candidate and support Lieberman.


Blogosphere vs. rest of party (TheGreenMiles - 6/24/2007 9:38:24 PM)
My comment was less about the candidates themselves than about how bloggers/blog readers tend to have different opinions and values than the Democratic party as a whole.  Sometimes the party comes around to the blogosphere's POV (i.e. on Iraq) and sometimes it doesn't (i.e. Clark). 

In this case, the blogosphere clearly hates Hillary with a passion.  It also tends to elevate the Gores & Clarks of the world based on their issues & resumes, which are impeccable, but overlooks their limited charisma.



Let's talk about John Kerry's netroots support (Chris Guy - 6/24/2007 10:53:41 PM)
from the 04 race.

(crickets chirping....)



What this poll tells me (vadem - 6/24/2007 11:05:27 PM)
Is that a lot of people who read and post on RK are not necessarily settled or committed with a candidate.  The train hasn't left the station yet, there's time yet for another Dem or two to enter this race.  I'm one who's waiting for another candidate.


not gonna happen (WillieStark - 6/24/2007 11:20:10 PM)
The serious candidates are in. There is absolutely no chance of another candidate getting in this. We have our field folks. So lets start winnowing down. I know some of you guys like Gore or Clark. Nothing wrong with that, but they are not getting in...period, end of story, finito, whatever you need to do to get it in your skulls. What you see is what you get.

It may suck for some of you guys, and there is nothing wrong with wishful thinking. However, at the end of the day. We need an electable candidate, and your dream guys have opted out.



How do you know that Gore's not going to run? (Lowell - 6/24/2007 11:22:30 PM)
I'd say there's at least a 30% chance, and I'm waiting unti the end of the summer to find out.  After that, if Gore (or Clark) doesn't enter the race, I'll decide who I'm going to support.  Oh, and believe me, electability will play a HUGE role in who I decide to endorse.