*"I'm startin' to get on board with the impeachment folks. Treason is the reason."
*"I've lost what little respect I had for Bush. He has betrayed all of us. I am through defending him. I'll be glad to see him leave office."
*"I can't wait until the next "Presidential approval rating" poll comes out. He has knifed the last remaining core of his supporters in the back. He will get numbers that make Carter and Nixon look stellar (at their nadir) in comparision."
*"Is it possible for Bush's approval rating to go to zero?/ He certainly has a shot at it if he signs this crap into law !!"
It goes on and on like this, and remember - these are Republicans! Well, at least now they can understand how the rest of us have felt about Dubya the past few years. Worst. President. Ever.
Nixon was at 24% the week before he left office -- Bush may actually go lower than that eventually... but I still doubt he's going to be impeached.
What's doubly crazy here is that this bill could potentially add a trillion or so dollars to U.S. coffers. e.g. $5,000 for citizenship for roughly 10,000,000 million plus back taxes. Plus you are legitimizing the labor force that is supplementing programs like social security?
And this is in the face of the fact that illegal immigration has had positive benefits for the overall economy. The people who have depressed wages tend to be minorities who are high school drop-outs. Low skilled labor isn't competing with high school and college grads for work.
As far as those manufacturing jobs go: Look to China and the trade deals that have been cut over the past decade. That's the real challenge.
Instead people want to throw away $1 trillion into border security measures which damage economic growth and under cut goodwill in the growing central and south American economies?
Oh that's right 4 to 6% of these people also voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004 and the rubber stamps in 2000, 2002, and 2004 who burned through $5 trillion, and who have likely dumped another $3 to $4 trillion on future generations in out year expenses (not even talking about Medicare and Social Security behemouths on the horizon). We're not exactly talking about Wizards of finance, or sound policy here. These are the same people who cheered Mitt Romney on when he talked about DOUBLING the size of Gitmo. How dumb can some people be?
As for competition with high school and college grads, I think relawson has posted numerous thought-provoking diaries outlining the harm H-1B visas are doing to just those people. And it's not just the visas. It's the fact that in areas with a huge immigrant population local governments and businesses are seeking out those who can communicate with that population. This means that Americans who are not bilingual are being squeezed out in favor of immigrants who are. And I think that not enough attention is paid to the hiring practices of the many small immigrant-run businesses in such areas. Hang out at the 7-11 some day and watch the vanloads of drywall installers, construction workers, electricians helpers, and laborers come in for coffee. Do you see any Americans on those crews? No, because immigrant business owners and supervisors and foremen almost always hire only from among their own. They don't look outside their community for local yokels to round out their workforce, and even if they were inclined to do so there would be a problem because the local guy can't speak the same language as the rest of the workers.
As for the monetary contributions called for under the plan, I would agree that it's a good thing, along with the fact that legalization of the presence of a lot of the people already here would probably substantially reduce the incidence of stolen identity, but there are other factors weighing against the good. There is, for example, no requirement that the newly legalized carry health insurance. They tend to work at the lower end of the wage scale, meaning that they don't get insurance, and when they or the family members they've brought over here get hurt they incur huge hospital medical bills which are never paid. And I've been working in the legal system too long to think that every immigrant kid is a nose-to-the-grindstone workaholic. There is an enormous and unacknowledged disruption to the lives of the children of these low income immigrant workers. They usually have been left behind for a few years while mom or dad get established, then they are brought in and placed in our school systems. Meanwhile, mom and/or dad are working constantly - sometimes 12 or 16 hours a day. A lot of times mom and dad have split up. The kids are disconnected from their parents, who expect their newly arrived children to accept their parental authority, and there is a lot of friction in such families. Moreover, they tend to take their daughters out of school so they can care for younger siblings. There are many social problems as a result of this, and those social issues end up placing a huge strain on local social services. These are just some of the things which need to be considered before we start inviting everyone to stay. We already had an amnesty years ago, and it did nothing to stop the tide of illegals. Not sure how this bill will be any different.