The Murderer: Senior English Major from South Korea
By: Lowell
Published On: 4/17/2007 10:15:49 AM
According to Reuters:
The Virginia Tech Police Department has confirmed the identification of the gunman responsible for the multiple fatalities at Norris Hall on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, April 16, 2007.
The individual has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, 23. Cho was enrolled as an undergraduate student in his senior year as an English major at Virginia Tech. Cho, a South Korean native, was in the U.S. as a resident alien with a residence established in Centerville, Va. Cho was living on campus in Harper Residence Hall.
Also, Ben Tribbett raises an important point: "I didn't think it was legal for a non-American citizen to buy a gun in this country." I have no idea, does anyone else?
[UPDATE #1: More on the murderer, including his photo (which I refuse to dignify by publishing here) is now available. Big surprise: the guy was "a loner." He graduated from Westfield High School in Fairfax.]
[UPDATE #2: "Statement of Condolence" by the South Korean embassy:
The Embassy of the Republic of Korea is shocked and dismayed by the violent crime that took place on April 16th at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University.
We express our deepest sympathies and most sincere condolences to the victims and their families and friends.
Embassy of the republic of Korea
Washington, DC
April 17, 2007
Thank you, that is much appreciated.]
Comments
Centreville (Alicia - 4/17/2007 10:29:22 AM)
Heard (not confirmed)that he had lived with his family in Centreville for a long time and graduated from Westfields HS.
Looking (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/17/2007 10:46:46 AM)
at a picture of his right now in a Westfield yearbook. It wasn't his senior year though...so I don't know if he graduated from there.
I'm surprised nobody has brought this up (Jambon - 4/17/2007 4:41:24 PM)
Michael Kennedy, the guy who went on the shooting rampage (firing over 70 rounds)and murdered two Fairfax County Police Officers last year, also lived in Centreville and graduated from Westfields High School.
This is a VERY strange coincidence. They both were extremely mentally disturbed. Read up below for a refresher on Kennedy...
http://www.timesdisp...
Residence & High School (delandjim - 4/18/2007 1:42:01 PM)
He came here when he was eight years old with family.
He did graduate from Westfield.
Look out for the RW backlash against Koreans (Josh - 4/17/2007 10:37:42 AM)
Jane Smiley today writes:
But that's how it is with the right wing, isn't it? Grievance is something they do, no matter how much power they have. They are shocked, shocked, that they don't have all the power, shocked and victimized and angry.
There's no will towards justice among the reactionaries who control the Republican party, only vengence, and we will see a rash of hate speech against Koreans starting now, and of course, resident aliens.
??? (loboforestal - 4/17/2007 11:34:39 AM)
what? Are you serious? I think you're projecting or something.
Blog Foul (novamiddleman - 4/17/2007 11:42:17 AM)
That's below the belt dude
judge me in a week. (Josh - 4/17/2007 11:52:34 AM)
we've see this before.
Exactly... (Eric - 4/17/2007 12:09:02 PM)
We'll see how it plays out.
But since the killer took his own life reactionary republicans will be looking for a person, or persons, to blame - they're sure as hell not going to blame guns. From there, it's a short step to blaming all Koreans.
Now that we've heard from... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 2:18:26 PM)
...the Grassy Knoll crowd, we should all join together at being mutually outraged at the "blame' game already taking place in the media who, at the press conference, were pounding the University president and police chief like they were murder suspects. I-81 is, unfortunately, already jammed with every lawyer in the state headed to blacksburg trolling for victims...we'll be watching "blame" unfold in the courts for years and it won't be partisan.
Totally agree... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 2:14:12 PM)
...and this petty political manure at a time of national tragedy is uncalled for.
How democracies handle tragedies (Kindler - 4/17/2007 3:06:47 PM)
I'm glad to hear that you're not blaming anyone...except for all the people that you're currently blaming!
In a democracy, people ask questions of authority rather than mindlessly saluting. It is essential to ask these questions in order to be better prepared next time.
I agree that we don't yet know all the answers, but we would be damn fools not to inquire whether this situation was handled correctly -- and I hope the media and others keep on asking those questions. We owe it to the victims.
Ah, if this were only about truth... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 3:53:27 PM)
...I could actually agree with you but we both know it's not. The media could care less about truth, they're looking for sensationalism and a story line. The gun lobby could care less about truth and point to this as a reason there should be no such thing as a "gun free zone because shooters would think twice walking into a room of thirty students not knowing if ten of them were packing. The anti-gun lobby couldn't care less about truth and point to this as justification that only police and insane criminals should be armed. I've already read the "Assault Weapon" comments and not sure how that would have stopped or even slowed down a determined looney with two handguns with filed off serial numbers. People with a pathetic pathological hatred of the President are manufacturing any and every reason to blame this insanity on him. The only "truth" here is the horror these families and friends are going through and interjecting all this inconsequential garbage about blame is really in bad taste and only exacerbates an already tough healing process.
Yes, but... (Kindler - 4/17/2007 4:01:06 PM)
I share your frustration but we still need to ask the tough questions even if it's a tough and ugly process full of people (media, lawyers, politicians, etc.) with ulterior motives.
I hate to validate your statements, but.... (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/17/2007 5:13:01 PM)
I went to lunch today at a favorite restaurant of mine--an Afghan-owned place called "Kabob Express" with really good food. It's in Seven Corners in Falls Church, arguably one of the most diverse areas in Northern Virginia, including a large concentration of Asian businesses.
As I went into the restaurant, my Afghan friend who works there--who also went to HS in Centreville--was talking to a young Asian woman. Unable to hear what they were talking about, I waited for them to finish talking and he handed me my plate and asked "How are you today?" I answered OK but a little sad given what happened. He answered with a "Who was the shooter?" I said he was a student from Centreville. Then he asked, "But where was he from?" I said he was from Korea. He replied that he was relieved that--thank God--the shooter was not Muslim. I thought to myself, what kind of sick culture do we have that anyone should feel this way!? Someone feels the need to be relieved because they feel under threat or pressure from our society because of who they are or their religion? This is sickening, I thought.
Then, as I sat down to eat, I noticed the young Asian girl with a young female friend--she was crying despondently. I was really concerned as she really appeared shaken. They were sitting very close to me so when she looked my way I just asked her if she was OK. She replied that coming into the store, a man had used several slurs used in reference to Asians in a tirade against her and mentioned the shooting in Blacksburg. She was so upset that anyone could conceivably lash out at her for what happened down there. My heart was heavy.
I assured her that she is not alone and that I was very angry with this mans' ignorance. She appreciated the expression but didn't seem to alter her mood too much. They left shortly after.
So, unfortunately, it seems as though what you have warned against has happened at least once in a Falls Church eatery.
This whole thing is so sad and tragic. I certainly hope people don't take a terrible tragedy and make it worse by responding with ignorance and more hurt.
For all the good in our culture, there is still so much sickness.
That's truly awful. (Lowell - 4/17/2007 5:15:47 PM)
Some people are seriously f***ed up.
Agreeded (novamiddleman - 4/17/2007 6:29:23 PM)
My main point from before (and why Josh went overboard from before IMHO) is that there are going to be both republican AND democrat idiots.
That's effing despicable. (phriendlyjaime - 4/17/2007 7:03:40 PM)
That is a comment made by one complete jackass. Believe me, being with a man (Thadd) of Middle Eastern descent for 7 years has certainly opened my eyes to ignorance in this country. When we first moved to Virginia, we lived in Powhatan, way out past the high school on route 13. We went to the grocery store one night, and the bagger stared Thadd up and down as he bagged our groceries. He finally looked Thadd dead in the face and said "Are you one a them Iraqis?" To which Thadd replied, "No...I am Lebanese. But I'm sorry..how is it your business?" The reply was incredible...
"Oh, well good. Because those damn Iraqis are all goin' down, and we are KICKIN' THEIR ASS!"
We ended up filing a formal complaint, yet nothing was done. Again-despicable.
It didn't take long (Josh - 4/18/2007 3:16:24 PM)
Look
http://www.salon.com...
">here, and
here for a couple of examples of things going too far.
My point here was simply for everyone to keep their heads on over this situation. Looking for blame isn't the answer, seeking sweeping statements of blame is completely inappropriate - worthy of broad derision.
We need to care for eachother, not score points. This is a time for mourning and healing.
Also worth reading (Josh - 4/18/2007 3:26:10 PM)
this.
Another reason Korean officials worried is the prolonged history of vicious baiting and stereotyping of Asians. This type of casual typecasting is especially sensitive issue among Korean Americans. Memories are still fresh of the 1992 L.A. riots. Koreans were the easy and visible target of rioters who blamed them for gouging and rude behavior toward inner city residents. Hundreds of their businesses were torched, and looted during the nightmarish violence. Fifteen years later, the scars of the attacks have still not totally healed.
Then there is the sheer monstrous magnitude of the Virginia Tech rampage. It was by far the worst mass attack by one individual in American history, and nearly every single news report and broadcast has prefaced the story on the killings with that tagline. This insures that Cho's name, and though seldom stated publicly, whispered by many privately, that he was a Korean non-citizen, and an immigrant. This fact will be indelibly imprinted in the public record and perhaps the public mind for years to come.
The maniacal act of one man is a terrible, and unfair burden to dump on any group. And Korean officials repeatedly made the point that it was the monstrous act of one man. There is and should not be collective responsibility or collective guilt for that. Koreans will grieve for the dead and the injured at Virginia Tech and continue to offer their condolences and prayers to their families, just as other Americans have done in the hours and days after the killings.
In the end Cho Seung Hui was not "an Asian man." He was a man who committed a grotesque act. And in the long and bloody annals of American mass killings, the perpetrators of those acts have come in all colors and genders.
- Earl Ofari Hutchinson
Bad Link (Josh - 4/18/2007 3:28:39 PM)
sorry about the bad link, something about this whole event has made me physically ill for the last 2 days and largely bedridden. I'm not doing very well right now, I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Here's the salon article.
"Captain Frogbert" Demolishes Concealed Weapon Argument (FMArouet - 4/17/2007 11:11:35 AM)
Over at Daily Kos "Captain Frogbert" brilliantly and effectively dismantles the wacko argument that we would all be safer if only everyone carried a concealed weapon.
While Dana Perino (on behalf of Bush) and Senator McCain gracelessly used yesterday's tragedy at Virginia Tech to reaffirm everyone's "Second Amendment" rights, most reasonable people will probably agree with "Captain Frogbert." Here is the link:
http://www.dailykos....
Lowell (Rob - 4/17/2007 11:46:52 AM)
totally agree with not posting his picture here!!! glad you didn't.
AP: "Korea fears prejudice with shooting link" (Lowell - 4/17/2007 11:51:54 AM)
According to
an AP story:
South Korea's Foreign Ministry said Tuesday the government hoped the Virginia Tech shootings, allegedly carried out by a 23-year-old South Korean native, would not "stir up racial prejudice or confrontation."
I would certainly hope not, and would find it astounding if anything like that happened. Obviously, this was not the act of a "Korean" per se but of a disturbed, violent young man. It doesn't matter what race, religion, or nationality he was. Period.
Very sound comment (Nell - 4/17/2007 1:34:53 PM)
In light of this clear, calm, and very much needed comment, might I recommend removing the quotes from around phrase 'statement of condolence' (the South Korean embassy's statement of condolence)? The quotes make it appear as if there is something artificial or suspect about the statement in your view; they communicate a bitterness and prejudice that your comment here shows you don't feel.
The South Korean Embassy title for (Lowell - 4/17/2007 3:38:38 PM)
its statement of condolence is "Statement of Condolence." That's why it's in quotes, because it's the title of their statement.
Yep (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/17/2007 5:20:55 PM)
See my post above for a story from my lunch today in Falls Church....
Sad.
According to the pic link (phriendlyjaime - 4/17/2007 11:59:08 AM)
He left a note, returned to his room, rearmed, and went to the other building.
There is so much more to this story.
Personally, I'm more interested in the stories (Lowell - 4/17/2007 12:13:04 PM)
of students who were shot yesterday, and the heroes (like Professor Liviu Librescu) who sacrificed their lives to defend others...
Good link for that (phriendlyjaime - 4/17/2007 12:15:42 PM)
here
It can be added to as well.
Can't legal residents buy weapons? (Hugo Estrada - 4/17/2007 12:12:04 PM)
It sounds like Cho was a legal resident. I have a few uncles who owned guns before they became citizens, but it was a while ago.
Anyone knows what are the current laws on this?
Legal residents can buy guns (LAS - 4/17/2007 12:35:27 PM)
Not sure about the clip, though, as that might have qualified as an assault weapon.
the way it is (GAida - 4/17/2007 1:15:29 PM)
Legal permanent resident aliens may purchase firearms in the state of Virginia. A resident alien must, however, provide additional identification to prove he or she is a resident of the state.
Profiling (Kindler - 4/17/2007 1:16:31 PM)
I have a Chinese friend whose son goes to VA Tech, and yesterday when he told me that his boy had been arrested and released by the police, I couldn't believe it -- why would the cops go after some harmless little computer dude?
Now I understand -- it seems like the police were in full profiling mode. Unfortunately, while they were busy slapping handcuffs on Asian kids and throwing them down on the ground (you can see the photos on the web), they failed to stop the real killer from perpetrating his massacre in Norris Hall.
Please judge not... (cycle12 - 4/17/2007 1:53:18 PM)
...the police, who were probably doing their very best under incredibly confusing and horrific circumstances.
To many, the killer himself must have looked like a "harmless little" English major, which he may have been for most of his life but, quite obviously, he wasn't harmless for those final few, fateful moments of his life yesterday morning.
I understand perfectly the problem with "profiling" and have many German, Japanese, South Korean, Spanish and Taiwanese friends, a number of whom have visited our home, and several of whom have lived with us here for extended periods of time.
On more than one occasion, these "foreigners" and I have discussed problems such as profiling, and these types of situations are certainly - and probably at best - unpleasant and unsettling. In turn I, myself, have felt as though I were being "profiled" by some of their countrymen when I have visited and stayed in their countries.
However, trying to second-guess the actions of the police - of whom I also have many friends - is wrong, too.
It's much too easy to judge the performance of others, at a distance, and a day later...
Steve
Sensitivity Training ? (loboforestal - 4/17/2007 2:04:19 PM)
Are you serious?
You can't be serious... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 2:25:27 PM)
If the only weak and pathetic description of an assailnat the police had was of an "Asian" male, why would they bother detaining black or white kids? Wouldn't that be incredibly stupid and a waste of their time?
Precisely how were the police to know a "computer dude" was "harmless?" Because he said so?
Please hold off on irresponsible phrases like "failed to stop" until we know more. Our police and security forces did a great job with imperfect and incomplete information. Unless you know where they can get a crystal ball, they deserve your support before you automatically condemn their actions.
A moving post (Nell - 4/17/2007 1:39:59 PM)
from Hilzoy, a blogger whose maturity and empathy have been on display for a number of years at
Obsidian Wings.
Legal purchase (David Campbell - 4/17/2007 1:42:59 PM)
According to ABC News: "Cho, born in South Korea, was a legal resident alien of the United States?Legal permanent resident aliens may purchase firearms in the state of Virginia."
How long until Bill O'Reilly chastises UVA President John Casteen for providing sanctuary to legal immigrants?
Also (phriendlyjaime - 4/17/2007 1:57:45 PM)
acccording to ABC, he did leave a very long note that started in the present tense and ended in the past tense at the scene of the first crime. THIS is what led officials and administrators to belive that the first murders were contained and isolated, since he left a note about a woman, claiming "You made me do this." He then went back to his room, re-armed, and walked across campus to continue the killing spree he started.
This was such a premeditated crime; I don't know how much more planning he could have done. Sick, twisted, effed up individual is a nice way of describing this wwaste of skin and bones...
Whoever's a bigot already (mkfox - 4/17/2007 2:07:21 PM)
will just use this to fuel their fire. This is the first school/college shooting I can remember committed by an Asian, most are white kids. I'm more concerned about right wingers' anti-immigration stance and, as mentioned here, the insistance for more concealed weapons and armed teachers. I'm gonna reserve judgment on the specifics of the killer's guns in this case until I found out if he got them legally or whatever, but this tragedy just shows me why the assault weapons ban must be reinstated.
How does... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 4:04:20 PM)
...an Assault Weapons ban (which I pretty much agree with) stop an angry young man from getting two handguns with filed off serial numbers?
For one, (mkfox - 4/17/2007 4:09:50 PM)
had he had a genuine assault rifle (AK47 and the like I guess) then who knows how many more would have been killed? Plus, part of the assault weapons ban is how many bullets can be in a handgun chamber. With the ban lifted, it can be 19, with the ban it's 10.
Let's try this again... (Detcord - 4/17/2007 4:20:45 PM)
I'm on your side here and agree about the Assualt Weapons. I get horried on opening season watching some jackass with an AK going out for deer. That's a different subject though...and actually one I could take both sides of (demonstrating why it's a tough one to deal with).
Where I'm having trouble connecting the dots in this case is back to handguns used in this incident, especially street guns, which are the predominant prefferred weapon in cases like this simply because of their ease of acquisition and untraceability. Precisely how does one "legislate" against what is already illegal?
Are they illegal? (mkfox - 4/17/2007 6:45:10 PM)
I honestly don't know much about handgun laws beyond the basics and I think reasonable safety measures including background checks at gun shows, pawn shops and gun stores, limiting the number of guns you can buy at once, manditory gun safety training, manditory removal safety clips and banning assault weapons must be inacted everywhere. It won't stop a madman with no criminal record from committing horrible crimes but can help prevent them.
Not sure.. (Detcord - 4/17/2007 7:43:00 PM)
...and I don't think the police have sorted it out either. I think I read they found a receit for the 9mm in his backback. More to come I would imagine...
I pretty much agree with everything else you wrote as long as that's where it stops. Whether or it actually "prevents" more crime is a bit problematic since most of that is already in place (varies from state to state) and further reductions in gun-related crimes are more likley to focus on the reasons for crime and the guy with his finger on the trigger rather than the inanimate object itself.
Tough lick for Blacksburg (Nick Stump - 4/17/2007 2:11:21 PM)
I used to play in Blacksburg all the time at the South Main Cafe. What great town, with really nice folks living there. I'm so sorry this has happened.
This is the most evil political cartoon I've seen in a long time (mkfox - 4/17/2007 3:20:12 PM)
OMG (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/17/2007 5:27:35 PM)
Sorry for the language, but that is offensive as fuck!!!
Can you STOP with the political divisions just for one God damn day!!???
What piece of CRAP is the Mike Lester who penned this shit? I'm finished staying quiet on these gun-pushing maniac assholes.
Both sides need to chill (novamiddleman - 4/17/2007 6:31:02 PM)
Most people are still in shock or griveing
Try not to watch cable news the next couple days (or at least stay away from the scumbag ones) so their ratings aren't boosted.
This is a good idea (Hugo Estrada - 4/17/2007 9:50:28 PM)
Cable news are going to attempt squeeze as much as possible from this story. Better not to play along with them.
Across Virginia (Kathy Gerber - 4/17/2007 6:48:58 PM)
Today around 1:00 p.m. folks were filling up the chapel at UVA for a memorial service. The bells were going to be rung at 2:00, and tonight there's a vigil at 7:00. All across Nelson, Goochland and Fluvanna flags are at half mast and signs of sympathy are up in front of businesses and churches.
It looks like I'll be off line for a couple of days but want to remind those who are grieving know that many hearts are with you in this tragedy. I wish the news people would stop making this even uglier than it is.
Amen (PM - 4/17/2007 7:11:22 PM)
I've posted some vigil info for Fairfax under the Webb video diary.
Not an issue of immigration or nationality (relawson - 4/17/2007 10:20:21 PM)
First, let me express my deep sadness for this senseless violence.
As many of you know, I support immigration reforms and am against exploitation of immigrants via the H-1b visa. That said, these issues are NOT related.
The killer moved here at age 8, was a legal resident, and is for all practical purposes an American. As broken as I believe our immigration system is, I can find no blame on the system when it comes to this case. Simply put, these issues are apples and oranges.
My stepmother is Korean as are my step brothers. They immigrated here in much the same way as the killer - one brother has gone on to his PhD and is an active duty Army doctor. I am proud of my extended family - and I can guarantee you that the Korean community is hurting right now - and ashamed of what this killer did. I pray that people don't take their anger out on Korean people.
I think we should take the advice of the student body president and focus our attention on helping students and faculty recover.