Jim Webb and John Warner: "Red, Right and Blue"

By: Lowell
Published On: 1/28/2007 11:24:15 AM

There's a great deal of commentary today in the media about Virginia's two U.S. Senators, John Warner (R) and Jim Webb (D).  First, we've got Margaret Edds in the PilotOnline, whose column is entitled "Red, right and blue" (bolding added for emphasis):

Agree or disagree with Webb, or with Warner's decision a day earlier to challenge the wisdom of Bush's new strategy, say this: Virginia is represented in the U.S. Senate by two men who bring admirable independence and authenticity to the table.

[...]

Americans say they long for politicians who speak from the gut. Warner and Webb have their imperfections, but shying from conviction isn't one of them.

In a time of challenge, Virginians can be proud to lend honest voices to the debate.

Excellent article, read the whole thing here.

We've also got a Newsday column by Les Payne entitled, "Bush can't dodge Webb's critique."  Payne begins by declaring that "The president's State of the Union address was rocked Tuesday by the improvised explosive device set off by the freshman senator from Virginia."  Payne elaborates, then concludes:

Webb opened up with the same guns Tuesday, attacking an ersatz commander for wasting lives through gross incompetence. "[Our national leaders] owed us - sound judgment, clear thinking, concern for our welfare, a guarantee that the threat to our country was equal to the price we might be called upon to pay in defending it. The president took us into this war recklessly."

Even at this late and tragic hour, Webb called upon Bush to start acting in the best interest of the American people. Otherwise, "we will be showing him the way." It's about time.

Andrew Sullivan in The Sunday Times (UK), writes:

For the first time in his presidency, Bush was out-machoed and outperformed. And the man who did it, the new senator for Virginia, James Webb, tells you a lot about the shifting landscape of American politics in the twilight of the Bush years.

[...]

In retrospect, Webb's razor-slim victory in Virginia was perhaps the leading example of how that change has begun to transform American politics. Webb ran against the quintessence of Republican success in the past two decades: George Allen, frat-boy flunkey of the religious right, adept at all the usual tricks in the Karl Rove playbook - subtle demonisation of racial minorities, unsubtle demonisation of gays, smear tactics against his opponent if necessary, and unquestioned support for an infallible commander-in-chief. Webb beat Allen by a fraction of a percentage point. Today, he'd win by a much larger margin.

So, I think, would the Democrats. They're serious again. Their choice of Webb proved it. Yes, they have the first woman Speaker in American history. But they gave the response to a navy man from the South. They know what they're doing. Which is more than can currently be said for the White House

Ed Quillen in the Denver Post speculates on Jim Webb running for President.  Quillen writes:

...it is fun to imagine a 2008 Democratic convention in Denver where there's no clear winner after the primaries among Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and all the others, and on the fourth ballot, the party turns to the battle-tested junior senator from Virginia.

I'm not sure about that one, but it demonstrates the high regard in which people are holding Jim Webb these days.

Finally, back to Virginia's senior Senator, John Warner.  This morning, the Washington Post has an article by Michael Shear entitled,  "Vietnam Shades Warner's Iraq Stand."  After relating how John Warner regrets having not been "more outspoken" during the Vietnam War, and how he would never forget how generals kept asking to "send in another five or ten thousand" troops, month after month, Shear writes:

More than 30 years after Vietnam, Warner is once again watching as generals propose additional troops. But this time, he's not staying silent. In a rebuke to President Bush, Warner is leading an effort to have the U.S. Senate declare a lack of confidence in the administration's plans to send 21,500 additional soldiers into the Iraqi war zone.

Two former Navy Secretaries who bring "admirable independence and authenticity to the table?"  Virginia can be proud to have two such leaders representing it in the U.S. Senate.


Comments



An Oscar for Sen. Warner? (Ingrid - 1/28/2007 11:28:02 AM)
An interesting analysis of Sen. Warner's politics in the Richmond Times-Dispatch here:

http://tinyurl.com/3...



What a nasty little article (Catzmaw - 1/28/2007 12:03:00 PM)
Thinking John Warner forgot to send Schapiro a Seasons Greetings card the last few years.


He's right though (Chris Guy - 1/28/2007 1:22:10 PM)
Scores of Republican Senators up for re-election in 2008 is running from Dubya. Even reliable Bush cheerleaders like Liddy Dole.

John Warner's just trying to save his own ass.



Why? (Ingrid - 1/28/2007 4:48:27 PM)
Why is this article nasty?  Most politicians look out for themselves, most of the time.  Sen. Warner is no different from most politicians.


It implies that Warner's discomfort and concern (Catzmaw - 1/28/2007 4:58:46 PM)
over the war is insincere, which I don't get while listening to him.  It's okay to be critical of the man and policies he's promoted in the past, but I get irritated when I hear people described as one-dimensional cartoons on whom we can heap scorn and whose feelings are never authentic.  This isn't the same as approving of him or his past behavior.


Frank Rich on Jim Webb (Lowell - 1/28/2007 12:16:56 PM)
From today's New York Times:

Though he's not a candidate for national office, Mr. Webb's nine-minute Democratic response not only upstaged the president but also, in an unintended political drive-by shooting, gave Mrs. Clinton a more pointed State of the Union "contrast" than she had bargained for.

To the political consultants favored by both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Bush, Mr. Webb is an amateur.  More than a few Washington insiders initially wrote him off in last year's race to unseat a star presidential prospect...

But this country is at a grave crossroads. It craves leadership. When Mr. Webb spoke on Tuesday, he stepped into that vacuum and, for a few minutes anyway, filled it.  It's not merely his military credentials as a Vietnam veteran and a former Navy secretary for Ronald Reagan that gave him authority, or the fact that his son, also a marine, is serving in Iraq. It was the simplicity and honesty of Mr. Webb's message....His exquisitely calibrated threat of Democratic pushback should Mr. Bush fail to change course on the war - "If he does not, we will be showing him the way" - continued to charge the air even as Mrs. Clinton made the post-speech rounds on the networks.

Very interesting angle, what do you all think?



anything that Webb does (Jambon - 1/28/2007 12:55:42 PM)
that screws up Carville and Begalas triangulation style of Clintonian politics is fine by me :)



Thanks for posting, but I can't get the whole article (Catzmaw - 1/28/2007 1:00:37 PM)
as I'm not a subscriber.  However, I think this is on the money.  Webb is a galvanizing force within the Senate.  He inspires others to speak their minds.  Watch the Foreign Relations and Armed Services committee hearings.  He's reminding them of their power as a coequal branch of government.


You know What I think (Nick Stump - 1/28/2007 1:09:42 PM)
I think you got your next President sitting there in the Senate.  I know he probably won't run and there's a million reasons not to run, but if I've never seen a man in the middle of history like Jim Webb is right now.  If he decided to run, I think money would fly to him.  I've been a political watcher for over 50 years.  I have never seen a man so well qualified to be in the White House.  No Republican could touch him and by the time the next eight years is up, he'll be nearly 70 and there will be questions about his age and bunch of Senate votes on his record for opponents to twist into lies. He has with one little SOTU retort, brought the focus of the nation on him.  In 6 minutes, he slapped the President down, and made Sen Clinton and Senator Obama seem smaller and less important. Jim is solid where others seem to be made out of vapor.  I'm not saying other candidates are not able, but Webb has spent his life preparing for the job, even if he was not aware of it.

I believe Jim Webb is being called to duty.  He may stay right where he is, and if he does, he'll do great work in the Senate, but this is his grand opportunity and it will never get better for him than it is right now. 

When I was working for Andrew Horne, one of the Fighting Dems here in Louisville, Jim wrote me and offered to come and campaign for Andrew.  Andrew said, "Jim Webb? That guy's a general maker."  If he was a general maker when he was writing novel, imagine what he would be in the White House.

I believe, if he runs, all conventional knowledge on presidential elections goes out the window.  I'd expect huge money to come from the netroots in a very short time, and I expect he would have little trouble getting the nomination.  Webb is exactly the kind of leadership this country is looking and everyone pales in comparison to him.

Just my opinion, of course.

Nick



Webb for President signs (Jambon - 1/28/2007 12:59:50 PM)
were spotted at the rally in D.C. yesterday!

http://i2.photobucke...

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I'm not sure how serious this Webb for Pres stuff is, but as Lowell said it's certainly reflective of how well received his SOTU rebuttal was!



It's just a compliment more than anything else (Chris Guy - 1/28/2007 1:13:56 PM)
From Webb's perspective it's simply not possible. The '08 presidential race started the moment he took office as a Senator.

Webb for Vice-President in theory could work. There are VPs who first assumed statewide office in the previous mid-term election.



A great year of Virginia (Bernie Quigley - 1/28/2007 1:23:09 PM)
This will be a great year for Virginia on her 400th birthday.


Webb = Duty (cycle12 - 1/28/2007 2:43:49 PM)
I sincerely believe that Jim Webb would run for President if he thought he could be even more effective for his/our country in that capacity.  He would do it only out of a sense of duty to country.

He'd probably agree to be a vice-presidential candidate for the same reason; if he thought it would benefit the Democratic ticket and carry it on to victory.

Jim Webb has a very strong sense of duty; I think he's currently most effective as our Senator, and he's got plenty of time.

One thing's for sure; Webb would not run for higher office due to ego or hubris.

He's much too humble and intelligent to do that.

Regardless; I'll always vote for him.

As would most of America...

Thanks!

Steve



WEBBITES BE PROUD (Lee Diamond - 1/29/2007 1:54:16 AM)
We should all be proud of what we achieved.  We provided a vivid illustration of how democracy is supposed to work and we put a real person with real, well thought out views in the US Senate.

Warner is too conservative for our crowd, but this thing has gone "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" bad.  With people like Gordon Smith and Sununu they are looking at their political futures, but John Warner is just honest.  How about that people?  Isn't that quaint?  What happened to honesty in this country anyway?

SPEAK VIRGINIA.  Virginia gave the country Warner and Webb.



Webbites huh? (Chris Guy - 1/29/2007 2:24:14 AM)
How about 'Webbsters"? I like that a little better. But I'm open to suggestions.


Webbheads (Lee Diamond - 1/30/2007 1:45:28 AM)
It's the down side of being on the internet when I should be sleeping like Lowell is now.


Survey? (cycle12 - 1/30/2007 9:36:20 AM)
I vote for Webbheads, but there may be other possibilities...

Is there a way to run a survey here?

Thanks!

Steve