Praise for Jim Webb's speech

By: Rob
Published On: 1/24/2007 12:37:00 PM

The praise is rolling in for Jim Webb's speech. Adding to teacherken's words below and the near-universal praise from kossack-land, reality-based conservative Andrew Sullivan heaped on the following:
It was, I think, the most effective Democratic response in the Bush years. He managed to bridge economic populism with military service and pride: a very potent combination. He did so with a sense of responsibility. The message, in short: "Lead us toward responsible redeployment in Iraq - or get out of the way." And he said it with testosterone and authority - more authority than this president now has.
Well said, Mr. Sullivan. Any other praise out there? Let us know in the comments and diaries.

[UPDATE: Sen. John Warner (R-VA) says, "My colleague Jim Webb delivered a heartfelt message, and, through his personal reflections, earned the respect of military families across America."]

[UPDATE: Newsweek's Jonathan Alter: "For the first time ever, the response to the State of the Union Message overshadowed the president's big speech. Virginia Sen. James Webb, in office only three weeks, managed to convey a muscular liberalism-with personal touches-that left President Bush's ordinary address in the dust."]


Comments



Webb stole the SOTU device and made it his own (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 1:16:40 PM)
For a guy whose reputation is as a writer and not an orator Webb catches on to rhetorical devices very well.

Since Reagan's time we have seen the use of individuals' personal stories as a prop for each President's points or policy positions, sometimes with devastating effect.  Last night Bush pointed to a young sergeant and told his story and clearly meant to imply that not to support his policies was the same as letting down people like this courageous young man who had been awarded the Silver Star and Purple Heart.  Webb countered this device by introducing his father's picture and referring to how difficult it was for his family to bear his father's deployments, then he flips Bush's device on its head:

I still keep it, to remind me of the sacrifices that my mother and others had to make, over and over again, as my father gladly served our country. I was proud to follow in his footsteps, serving as a Marine in Vietnam. My brother did as well, serving as a Marine helicopter pilot. My son has joined the tradition, now serving as an infantry Marine in Iraq.

Like so many other Americans, today and throughout our history, we serve and have served, not for political reasons, but because we love our country. On the political issues--those matters of war and peace, and in some cases of life and death--we trusted the judgment of our national leaders. We hoped that they would be right, that they would measure with accuracy the value of our lives against the enormity of the national interest that might call upon us to go into harm's way.

We owed them our loyalty, as Americans, and we gave it. But they owed us sound judgment, clear thinking, concern for our welfare, a guarantee that the threat to our country was equal to the price we might be called upon to pay in defending it.

Wow.  Not only did he point out that this young sergeant's sacrifices and those of our other military are not based on politics, but he drove home the point that the sacrifices should not be taken for granted nor gratuitously incurred, and all while sitting in a quiet little study with no live audience and no live bodies to point to.  That car alarm you're hearing is the sound made by the one he hit out of the park and into Bush's windshield. 



Nice quote: (Pain - 1/24/2007 1:45:23 PM)
"That car alarm you're hearing is the sound made by the one he hit out of the park and into Bush's windshield."


Oh, crud (Pain - 1/24/2007 1:47:08 PM)
I meant to replay to Catzmaw above.  Darn new-fangled interweb thingie.


I hate how no matter how hard I try (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 2:04:30 PM)
I can't make the internet thingie read my mind.  It just keeps doing what my treasonous fumbly fingers tell it to do.  Seems unfair somehow.


Why does the internet (Lowell - 1/24/2007 2:05:49 PM)
hate America? ;)


Damn series of tubes! (Lowell - 1/24/2007 2:06:38 PM)


This was too funny ... must wipe nose-snort off computer now (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 5:52:36 PM)


You can (Newport News Dem - 1/24/2007 2:26:26 PM)
always try the other internet bush provided us in 2004.


More praise of Webb (Lowell - 1/24/2007 1:58:28 PM)
...courtesy of the National Journal's Hotline.

CNN's Blitzer: "As expected, a tough, no-nonsense speech" (1/23).

  CBS' Couric: "The Democrats picked Jim Webb for one obvious reason -- his military credentials are above reproach" (1/23).

  CBS' Schieffer: "He really ripped [Bush] tonight" (1/23).

  MSNBC's Matthews, on the choice of Webb: "I thought it was one of rare moments the Democratic Party showed tremendous discretion in picking someone who may not be the most liberal member of the Democratic caucus, ... but who certainly carries the political rank of someone who has faced the enemy and whose children are willing to face the enemy up against a president and a vice president who have avoided the same kind of experience" (1/23).

  Pat Buchanan, on Webb: "That was riveting. He is an authentic individual. It was very moving in those passages about his father and his son. And I think tens of millions of Americans saw him really for the first time. Virginia's seen him. And I think the Democratic Party really has a star there" (MSNBC, 1/23).



Wesley Clark on Jim Webb (Lowell - 1/24/2007 2:01:59 PM)
"I think Jim Webb did a great job. ... I agree with both points he brought up. ... This administration threatens Iran, but won't talk to Iran. My point is this. Why will the most powerful country in the world not talk to Iran? You've got all the trump cards you need on Iran. Can we at least talk to them?"

Also, courtesy of Hotline.



We've gone international (DanG - 1/24/2007 4:18:22 PM)
http://www.upi.com/I...


From CommonDreams.org (mkfox - 1/24/2007 5:10:32 PM)
Jim Webb Offers the Democratic Response. . .to Hillary and Obama 
by Jeff Cohen

If you watched freshman Virginia Sen. Jim Webb deliver the Democratic response to Bush's State of the Union speech, you witnessed something historic -- a Democrat on national TV unabashedly ripping into six years of Bush rule for an uninterrupted 10 minutes.

With no O'Reilly or Hannity to disrupt or out-shout him.

http://www.commondre...



Only a matter of time... (Nick Stump - 1/24/2007 5:13:09 PM)
I'm seeing calls all over the web to Draft Webb 08.  I know you Virginians would hate to lose a good Senator, but this may be Jim Webb's moment.  I can't think of a Republican who could get a glove on him. 

Nick:)



?/Webb looks pretty good (DukieDem - 1/24/2007 5:17:45 PM)
Webb would never want to go through the national campaign the Presidency requires, especially the fundraising. But I do think his speech last night has made him the frontrunner for the veepstakes. I think Webb could be persuaded to run on the ticket for the grueling 5 months or so that it requires.

Webb gets the netroots jacked up about the nominee, puts Virginia firmly in play, and adds military credentials that none can top. I'd hate to lose him as our Senator, but would be willing to share him with the other 49.



Hating idea of Webb as Veep and losing (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 5:59:04 PM)
his eloquence and leadership in the Senate.  If he's Veep he can't really affect policy and can only operate from behind the scenes.  He can't get in there and dismantle witnesses in committee hearings or corner reluctant colleagues and exercise his persuasive arguments on them or speak on the floor of the Senate.  We already have a too-strong Veep right now in Cheney.  Rather than continue down that road and pose a conundrum for Webb ("do I try to rein in the power of the executive by retreating from Cheney's brand of activism or do I exert my considerable power to making the most of the office to accomplish my goals?"), let's just let him be the great Senate leader we know he already is.  If the time comes some day for a presidential run, great, but he would be wasted on the vice presidency. 


HERE HERE (thegools - 1/24/2007 8:22:48 PM)
I could not have said it better myself. 

Kill this idea now.  Jim Webb for Senate!!!!



I think Draft Webb 08 (Lowell - 1/24/2007 5:52:06 PM)
is not going to persuade Webb to run for President, but it might not be a bad idea to drum up support for Webb, his agenda, the Democrats in general, and a possible running mate slot for Webb.  Obviously, Webb is a huge asset to Virginia and to the nation in the US Senate, but he'd also be an asset to all of the above as Vice President.  No matter what, it's very exciting that Webb has rocketed so high so fast! 


I Agree. (relawson - 1/24/2007 10:37:55 PM)
I want Jim Webb to be our next President.  I think he can win.  If there is a Draft Webb '08 movement, I will volunteer.

Many people doubt he would run - and that may be the case.  All we can do is ask.  This is bigger than the State of Virginia.  I know you guys like your new Senator and don't want to lose him, but there is a void of leadership.  We need him.



UPI (Ingrid - 1/24/2007 5:26:50 PM)
Martin Walker at UPI

Economic populism, whether bashing globalization or demanding a higher minimum wage and ending tax cuts for the wealthy, is becoming the distinctive new message of the Democrats, but it has seldom been put as persuasively and with such patriotic credentials as in Senator Jim Webb's rebuttal speech.


Regent University Disagrees (Newport News Dem - 1/24/2007 5:54:57 PM)
I know you might find this socking, but Pat Robertson's political scientist did not like the response

But Charles W. Dunn, a political scientist at Regent University, said Webb "offered no solutions and failed to inspire." Webb lacked spark and repeated the same answers he had given during his campaign, Dunn said.

"He had a golden opportunity here. But he didn't fully rise to the occasion. . . . A new leader was not born there tonight," Dunn said.

Failed to inspire? America fell in love with Jim Webb last night.

"Offered no solutions" AND "repeated the same answers" seems like the good professor is rebutting his own argument.

I agree with the good professor on this. "He had a golden opportunity here." You are so right professor Dunn. Opportunity provided, opportunity seized and opportunity a smashing success!



Why is throwing a bunch of soldiers at a problem (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 6:10:50 PM)
for a few months regarded as a solution whereas a suggestion which has been out there for years to engage in regional diplomacy, redeploy troops out of Iraq, withdraw from construction of permanent bases, and set benchmarks regarded as "no solution?"  So what are we supposed to do, keep throwing soldiers out there until democracy and freedom blossom and the solution becomes evident?  Is that supposed to be the plan, because it's the only plan I've seen from the Bush Administration.  There's a lot of hopefulness ("just 20,000 more soldiers and six months and we'll have peace in our time"), but there's no good solution to this mess which was made by the people who now claim they're the only ones with a plan.  Sorry, I've already seen how their best-laid plans work out, and not a single one of them was anything less than disastrous.  I'm ready for someone else's ideas.


What are you (Newport News Dem - 1/24/2007 6:20:09 PM)
one of the nuance people?

Plus, agressive regional deplomacy sure seems like hard work.



or even (Newport News Dem - 1/24/2007 6:21:37 PM)
aggressive and diplomacy!


Yeah, that's me. Ask my friends, they'll all tell you I'm nuanced. (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 7:28:07 PM)
You're right about all that hard work, too.  Don't know why I didn't think of it.  Aggressive regional diplomacy would probably cut into a lot of administration vacation time and involve discussions with annoying people who, shockingly, want to protect their own interests instead of ours.  The horror.  It's much more fun to sit back here at home sending other people's kids into harm's way and planning one's next golf outing.  Another round of yellow magnets and on to victory! 


Electrifying and magnificent (scarlatagal - 1/24/2007 7:28:00 PM)
I did not waste time watching the SOTU because i knew it would be not worth it...but Sen Webb's response was breathtaking--powerful, intelligent, and oh so right--am even more proud of him than before!!!!


Opposition viewpoint (Teddy - 1/24/2007 7:42:22 PM)
As is my custom, I checked out some republican wallows to see how they were handling Webb's speech, now that a little time has passed and they've been able to re-group and figure out how to frame and attack it.

Newsbuster was, as usual, full of juvenile comments sneering at Webb's military service and his use of his family's military history as a "prop" in his speech. It was down hill from there, claiming that all Webb could do was criticize without offering any solutions other than promoting defeat for US and victory for terrorists, and he should be in jail for not supporting the troops and the Commander-in-Chief. They also tried re-running Allen's trite claims that Webb wrote pornography, which strikes me as a sign of desperation.

Michael Gerson, former speech writer for Bush, expressed his contempt for Webb's speech in a by-lined letter in Newsweek(http://www.msnbc.msn...
Among other things he called  the speech flabby and mediocre compared to what he termed Bush's outstanding speech, which he pointed out began graciously with comments to Madame Speaker.  It looks like the word is out: downplay Webb's effort, call it worthless and insulting to the President, a speech which contributed nothing to solving the problems we face in Iraq... in short, trivialize and smear Senator Webb and deny the substance of his speech. 

Oh, yes, I noted the frequent use of liberal as a swear word by all right-wing nuts in commenting on the speech, thus dismissing Webb and anything he had to say.

Typical republican hatch job. But what do you expect.



"Wallows" Hee, hee. (Catzmaw - 1/24/2007 9:04:44 PM)
Yeah, Newsbusters is being particularly vicious, accusing the WaPo of being Webb's booster boys (and here I think they often do him a disservice), and continuing the ignorant "Dems don't have a plan" rant.  We need to get out there and refute this assertion every chance we get.  What exactly is the Republican plan?  It's "throw soldiers in there and see what happens."  That's it.  Why are Democrats letting the Republican critics get by with this stuff?  The Dems need to start pushing and pushing on the issue of regional diplomacy and getting our guys off the streets.  No more patrolling until someone shoots at them or blows them up.  So they kill a few insurgents when that happens, so what?  Next day there's a whole new crop taking their place.  Let's stop pretending the insurgents and "terrahists" are a zero sum amount.  Chuck Hagel says Petraeus just wrote a book on counter-insurgency.  Someone get ahold of that book and start quoting all the passages talking of the need for diplomacy.  Hagel says it's a critical element in Petraeus's strategy.

On the Gerson review, I checked it out earlier and comments are running about 90% against Gerson.  I propose that everyone on this site go to that one and make their comments.



Well Said Mr. Webb (homemade fence sign on 123 in Mclean) (justicat - 1/24/2007 8:46:18 PM)
and Amen!


If you tell a lie often enough and loud enough, the masses will believe it. (AnonymousIsAWoman - 1/24/2007 10:28:25 PM)
That's been the Republican strategy for six years.  But it's failing them now.

They keep chanting the mantra that Democrats don't have a plan; all they can do is criticize.  Or their second favorite mantra is Democrats want to cut and run.  They want us to lose.

But none of that is true.  Of course, various Democrats may have some differences and variation on how to achieve the ultimate goal of getting our soldiers out of harm's way in Iraq.  But the majority agree that we need to redeploy to outside of Iraq but not entirely leave the region immediately.  We need to gradually draw our troops down and let the Iraqis take over defending themselves and allow them to find a political solution to their differences.  We can't fight their civil war for them.

But Webb's job was to deliver a Democratic rebuttal to the SOTU.  It wasn't to give an in depth, 90 minute policy speech.  If he had spoken too long, that would have been criticized too.

Those who were not impressed with his speech and its delivery are embittered partisan hacks or far right idealogues.

Fair minded conservatives were impressed even when they disagreed with Webb's content.  People like Pat Buchanan, David Brooks, Andrew Sullivan all admitted Webb did a brilliant job.  It's perfectly fair to point out where their opinions differ.  But criticizing the quality speaks more about the critic and his judgment than about Webb.



No doubt... (Nick Stump - 1/25/2007 2:59:53 PM)
...Jim Webb has hard decisions facing him.  This country hungers for the sort of leadership Jim has demonstrated from his very first day in the senate.  Compared to Webb, most Democratic contenders seem almost unformed.  They puzzle over how to answer questions so as not to offend any potential voters, whereas Webb seems absolutely impervious when talking to reporters.  From his first appearances on MSM to the sharp rebuke of the current administration Tuesday night, Webb seems hell-bent to frame the issue with the simple truth as he see it, and people love him for it.  Wednesday Kos wrote Jim a love letter.  All over the country writers are gushing about him. 

Jim Webb is the man McCain would pretend to be, but when I look for straight talk on any issue from economic fairness to the War in Iraq, Jim stays true to the first principles he learned--duty, honor and country.

I doubt national Democrats are less aware of his potential than I am.  I believe this is Jim Webb's moment in history and his moment is the nation's opportunity.  Of course, many in Virginia would hold him close and keep him in the Senate.  I understand.  He gives you great bragging rights and I believe he can do a lot of good in the Senate, but I also believe Jim is bigger than any one state.  When Jim went to Vietnam, he fought there for his country.  Don't be surprised to see him move higher up the political ladder to better serve this country he loves so well.