Sen. Webb on PBS After the Speech; Sen. Warner on CNN

By: Lowell
Published On: 1/10/2007 6:31:43 PM

Just a heads up to watch for Senators Webb (PBS) and Warner (CNN) after Bush's speech tonight.  The reactions should be quite interesting.

P.S. Feel free to use this as a Bush speech "open thread."  I'll probably be watching it with some "real Virginians" at Busboys and Poets in downtown DC.

[UPDATE #1: The White House "Fact Sheet: The New Way Forward in Iraq" is now available.  Does this feel like Groundhog Day or what?]

[UPDATE #2:  Courtesy of TPMCafe, here are excerpts from Bush's speech tonight.  Josh Marshall singles out this one as his favorite.

Victory [in Iraq] will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship.

You mean, like when Bush declared victory on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln? (ok, ok, that was an aircraft carrier...]


Comments



Yeah, I believe this guy! (Lowell - 1/10/2007 8:36:18 PM)

Who's less credible, the guy on the left (Jack Abramoff) or the guy on the right (Commander Codpiece)?



Rallies against escalation (KCinDC - 1/10/2007 8:39:01 PM)
If Bush does as expected and announces an escalation in Iraq -- totally ignoring the election we just had in which Americans voted overwhelmingly for winding down the war, not escalating it -- then respond tomorrow by attending one of the rallies being organized through Win Against War. I'm going to be at the one at Lafayette Square by the White House (though the Capitol might be a more appropriate location at this point).


Response to Bush et al (RuthF - 1/11/2007 3:54:17 AM)
If there was ever a time in our history when Americans must speak out, this is most certainly one of the most important.

BWT I couldn't stomach his speech so I went to bed early so I could be up now to check in.

Talking points:
1) The Iraq resolution is null and void b/c “mission accomplished” and it was requested by Bush et al under false and deceptive pretensses

2) Congress has the power and the precedent to “rule on” Bush’s plan—see report on Congress and Military Deployment and Funding at  http://www.americanp...

If enough of them have the integrity and backbone it takes to stand up to Bush, vetoes can be overridden.

3) Dissent against Bush’s plan is supporting the troops in the most patriotic way possible—we owe the less than ½ of 1% of Americans better treatment than Bush’s plan to “not fail” and pass his mess along to the next administration.

4) Both house of congress must take a firm stand against Bush/Iraq b/c it is their constitutional duty to hold him to account and the American voter is watching!

5) Legislation is the only correct response—anything less, eg non-binding resolutions, are useless against a president who uses signing statements as a way of getting around laws.

6) Contact Nancy Pelosi as speaker at www.speaker.gov--tell her that her 100-Hour agenda stands mute agains the enormity of Bush and Iraq.



Thanks for the heads up! (Greg - 1/10/2007 8:41:12 PM)
I'll be sure to watch it on PBS.

As it turns out, I'm going to be on CNBC on Friday to talk about the implications for Iraqi oil production of the 'surge' and going on the offensive against the Mahdi Army. Probably around 2:20.



So, what are the implications? (Lowell - 1/11/2007 12:17:16 AM)
Seems like it could go either way to me.


Please you tube Webb's PBS appearance (mosquitopest - 1/10/2007 8:59:53 PM)
I hope someone is able to post Webb's pbx appearance tonight (after Bush's speech)...I won't be able to catch it...durnit...

buzz..buzz...



I'm sorry, but if I hear Al Qaeda in Anbar one more time (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 10:17:14 PM)
I am so ashamed. In less than two years, a sane and thoughtful person will be our president. I am switching back to the Wizards game now.


Great game tonight (JPTERP - 1/10/2007 11:04:41 PM)
I didn't even bother to watch the speech.  I'm sure it was a pastiche of the same old catch-phrases, simply re-arranged in a new order.

On the other hand, man, we have a pretty good basketball team here in DC this year.  A great win tonight over a very good Chicago team.



HIBACHI! (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 11:06:43 PM)
Agent zero, even in a low scorer.


Arenas (JPTERP - 1/11/2007 12:03:44 AM)
played smart tonight.  His shots weren't falling, so he gave some other players a night to shine.  Six Wizards in double-figures.  Not too shabby.


Liebermania (KCinDC - 1/10/2007 10:27:34 PM)
I particularly liked the mention of the "bipartisan" group featuring Joe Lieberman. The national Democrats made a huge mistake in refusing to really back Lamont, and we're going to be regretting it for years.


Now Jim is on (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 10:34:03 PM)
Go Jim. What does Anbar province abut? Anyone have a map they can loan to Bush? Syria. Regional diplomacy.


Free market smack down (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 10:41:23 PM)
Webb: "I can't see myself voting for more reconstruction in Iraq before New Orleans gets more money." I'm paraphrasing, but his use of the term of free market to cut Iraq loose should make the news tomorrow.


Senator Webb hit it out of the ballpark (Greg - 1/10/2007 10:47:42 PM)
Was glad to see him emphasizing that this is something which demands a regional approach to seek a solution. Simply pressing the Iraqi government to "do more" isn't going anywhere... and if he thinks the predominantly Shia Iraqi military is going to take on the Shia militias, he's sorely mistaken.


Bush is the "he"? (RuthF - 1/11/2007 3:58:46 AM)
Hey, Greg--am assuming that the "he' reference in your last sentence refers to Bush--once again we see the hubris of a group of chicken hawks that didn't bother to research the history of the region--but like my husband says, you don't need facts/info when you have beliefs--and not an ounce of critical thinking or empathy.


Webb (phriendlyjaime - 1/10/2007 10:48:23 PM)
was in a word awesome.  No discomfort, great answers, pretty perfect.

I especially liked that he and Thune had to sit so close to each other.  Wadhams just had to keep glancing from one side to the other going "My success!"  "My horrible unbelievable beat down!"  "My success!"  "My horrible unbelievable beat down!"

Fantastic response.



I really get a kick out of hearing "Senator" attached to "Webb" (thegools - 1/10/2007 11:22:58 PM)
after all that hard work, worrying and in the end nail-biting.

I also love that we have a Senator who actually can think and speak for himself. 

I hope in the future that Webb works on stating his positions and choosing his wording more succinctly and in a way that it will be entirely clear to John and Jane Nonreader-Intellectual.



That is John & Jane Nonreader-NONintellectual (thegools - 1/10/2007 11:30:59 PM)


A Strategic change vs. a tactical change (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 10:49:03 PM)
This is how Jim Webb is framing the debate. And he is correct. And those of us who follow and post on the debate should echo this line of thought. Generals Trainor and Odom picked up on this and said, immediately after Webb spoke, that the President is talking about a tactical change (not really a change even) of more of the same. Fiddling with numbers, while making no strategic change. This is not being echoed on the cable news shows, or the networks. It needs to be.


You're right. (phriendlyjaime - 1/10/2007 10:58:19 PM)


And yet, on MSNBC timmeh (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 1/10/2007 11:01:04 PM)
says this is a strategic change. That's shameful.


Did I hear the Pres. call for more people in uniform? (BlueDog - 1/10/2007 11:07:09 PM)
I thought I heard the Pres.call for more people in uniform in both the Army and Marines?  It was toward the end of his talk- he had already given the "...sending 20k + more troops..." so I took this comment to mean he might even be asking for a draft or increased incentives to increase active duty recruitment --or to call up more Reservists?  But calling up more Reservists would not have fit what I heard.

Also, it almost sounded like the Pres. was expanding the war regionally.  What? Scary!



Maybe (Terry85 - 1/10/2007 11:08:50 PM)
his daughters should sign up.  Or did Bushie fail as a parent to instill those great "values" in his kids.


Troop increase (JPTERP - 1/11/2007 12:25:08 AM)
No draft at this point.  My understanding is that this is going to be an 80,000 or so increase in the size of the Army and Marines over a 10 year period.  The increased recruiting goal will probably be achieved by increasing incentives for joining.  Regardless of Iraq it probably needs to be done.


I bet you (Terry85 - 1/11/2007 12:30:40 AM)
there will be more "lowering of standards" than there will be "increasing of incentives."


More is less (seveneasypeaces - 1/11/2007 1:31:48 AM)

They have lowered standards for military.  No HS diploma, no mental health.  Now the boys have to rely on unstable people.  They are as strong as their weakest link.  To increase recruitment, weak links are being signed up.  The soldier who raped and killed that family had a history of mental problems.  He should not have been recruited. 

So you have regular army who now have less stable people watching their backs.  This is a serious issue they are becoming aware of (the guys in the field).  They are more vulnerable than ever.  And now bush has promised them more.
 



More "problem" recruits (RuthF - 1/11/2007 3:48:08 AM)
Not only that but according to reports from the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of white supremacists in the military is also on the rise.

I fear for the "good guys/gals" in our military who have to serve with these kooks--



I say send the White supremist to the front, let them fight.... (thegools - 1/11/2007 5:09:36 PM)
just don't let them have guns.

Bless their hearts.



Did anyone... (Terry85 - 1/10/2007 11:24:14 PM)
catch that COUNTER Faux News had up on the screen after Bush's speech ended which read "Where's their plan?" referring to the Democrats.  HOW pathetic, like some small child in trouble placing blame elsewhere.


Bush (seamusotoole - 1/10/2007 11:36:42 PM)
What a pathetic twenty minute speech.  I'm thinking Bush must be smoking crack after listening to this utter nonsense.  Does he honestly think that sending 20,000 more troops is going to result in Victory?  Imagine 20,000 troops going into a city like New York and being able to accomplish much of anything with such a huge population?
He makes it sound like we are loved in Iraq by everyone.
Get a clue!!!! 

I've got to tell you I can't be more prouder of Senator Webb for having a backbone and saying what he thinks.  For anyone out there who still has their doubts about his being a Democrat, they must be smoking crack too.  I am so glad that I worked so hard to get him in office and sworn in last week.  When Bush mentioned Lieberman as being bipartisan (and I'm sure he did this trying to refer to him as a Democrat) I wanted to lose my dinner. 

I just pray that our Commander in Chief and the great decider doesn't invade Iran next.  I'm about convinced that his goal in life is Armageddon. I don't even know why I bothered watching his speech.  Insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again and expecting different results.  It's time the Democrats hold the line and keep him accountable.



Iran (Terry85 - 1/10/2007 11:38:02 PM)
Someone on News Hounds pointed out that he also practically declared war on Iran in the speech tonight.

What an idiot.



20,000 troops (JPTERP - 1/11/2007 12:06:10 AM)
GWB talked about using the increased troops to secure Baghdad and parts of the Anbar province.  He also talked about securing the Syrian and Iranian borders.  I'd think you'd need more than 160,000 troops to achieve those objectives.


Yeah... (Terry85 - 1/11/2007 12:23:11 AM)
He said there will be 4,000 more in Anbar.

Give me a damn break.



Posted with no further comment........ (buzzbolt - 1/11/2007 12:35:47 AM)





Joe Lieberman is the new Zell Miller (Jambon - 1/11/2007 1:11:47 AM)
It's enough to make you wanna retch...

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"Acting on the good advice of Senator Joe Lieberman and other key members of Congress, we will form a new, bipartisan working group that will help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror."



just to clarify... (Jambon - 1/11/2007 1:22:42 AM)
I realize that Lieberman is technically an "independent" but he is certainly still perceived by the public to be Democrat which is precisely why Bush mentioned him by name.

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I don't (Terry85 - 1/11/2007 1:59:53 AM)
know many people who still consider him a Democrat, especially since the November elections.


Say it ain't so joe (seveneasypeaces - 1/11/2007 12:39:48 PM)
He's left us one heart beat away from losing the senate.


Humor him, don't tear him apart. (thegools - 1/11/2007 5:19:49 PM)
He is the weight that could shift the Senate to GOP control.  Show him a little love, even if you hold our nose to fend off the stinch.