"Crashing the Gate" - the Netroots Way

By: Lowell
Published On: 12/7/2005 2:00:00 AM

This should be very interesting, a book on the "netroots" by Jerome Armstrong (currently busy working on Mark Warner's "Forward Together PAC") and Markos Moulitsas Z?niga (of Daily Kos fame).  Anyone who's a political blogger, a politician, or a political consultant should be interested in this.  Anyone who's interested in the rise of this new communications medium - the internet - as a force in politics should be interested.  And anyone who's interested in "bottom up," grassroots movements should be interested as well.  In other words, I'm VERY interested in what these guys have to say!

What's fascinating about this book is that it may be the first to truly focus on the political "netroots," a phenonenon which is only in its infancy at this point but which is exploding in significance and has already had an impact - including right here in Virginia.  To highlight the latter point, I would note that just last night, the crew at Raising Kaine had a GREAT conversation with Tim Kaine about the role our blog and PAC played in helping to "blog Tim Kaine into the Virginia governor's mansion."  Now, the question is, "what more can we do?"  Answer: a great deal, as you'll all be seeing over the next year(s)!  But that's a topic for another day and another article (or two or three...).  In the meantime, I would just point out that political blogs are here to stay, that they're certainly not just a fad or "flavor of the week," and that they're growing rapidly in importance as the mainstream media declines.

Anyway, I've already ordered "Crashing the Gate," Jerome and Markos' "shot across the bow at the political establishment in Washington DC and...call to re-democratize politics in America."  I plan to read and review it as soon as I receive it.


Comments



BOOK CLUB! Who's (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:49 PM)
BOOK CLUB!

Who's in?



I first heard Frank (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
I first heard Frank Wolf (10th District Congressman) touting this claim in his campaign against James Socas last year.  It seems like such a wild stretch.  Then I heard Lisa Marie Cheney use it in a community forum.  I challenged her on it and she claimed that Wolf led a committee or intelligence investigation of it that confirmed Al Qaeda had attempted to contact MS-13.  Where's the proof, people?  These claims cannot be used without divulging your proof.  That is obviously suspect!


THE MS WILL KEEP ON (tony - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
THE MS WILL KEEP ON LIVING NO MATTER IF U LIKE IT OR NOT ANY OF U FUCKERS GET IN THE WAY YOUR FUCKING FAMILY DIES BITCH U REMEMBER THAT SHIT PUTOS SO THE NEXT TIME U TRY TO FUCK WITH ONE UR FAMILYS IN DANGER ESE


Lowell, I think you' (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Lowell, I think you're being too nice on this.

Kilgore is crying "fire" in a crowded theatre.  He's reached the limits of free speech by trying to incite panic.

He needs to be held accountable.  He needs to clarify his position. 

He needs to apologize.



Citing Stratfor on M (Buzwardo - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Citing Stratfor on MS-13, you post:

"Ha ha. Yep, there you have it: Jerry Kilgore is 'probably just paranoid.'?

However, the latest Stratfor article regarding MS-13 states:

"Combined with these problems are concerns that links could be forming between MS-13 and Islamist militants, particularly al Qaeda. Although these concerns have largely been raised by Central American leaders who need increased U.S. funding for security, a report surfaced in September 2004 that suspected al Qaeda member Adnan G. El Shukrijumah was spotted in Honduras meeting with MS-13 leaders.

In December 2004, alleged MS-13 member Frankie Sanchez-Solorzano was arrested along with Bangladeshi Fakhrul Islam and 11 other people after they were caught trying to enter the United States near Brownsville, Texas. Cases such as this increase calls for tighter border restrictions with Mexico, but provide little support for allegations that al Qaeda, as some have speculated, is attempting to infiltrate the United States using MS-13 smuggling networks. Although too many of these allegations are based on rumor and hearsay, the border merits close vigilance. Trafficking networks, like all black-market activities, are viciously capitalistic -- meaning anyone, al Qaeda member or otherwise, could make use of the service."

Though I understand tarring Kilgore with a "paranoid" label is your end, perhaps you can reconcile the difference between what your contact says and what his company publishes. If there are no confirmed or credible reports, why is Stratfor publishing them?



Thanks to Mr. Bush's (Charlie - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Thanks to Mr. Bush's childish, selfish, ignorant failure in Iraq, the American conservative movement now has the blood of thousands of true American Patriots on it's hands.

The promise of American Conservatism was sane government and social responsibility.  Mr. Bush has produced insane government expansion and abject social irresponsibility.

Consider the case of the Bush supporter who thought he would make a statement by desecrating a display representing hundreds of gravestones of fallen iraqi soldiers.  Is this what the American Conservative movement has become?  Has conservative leadership fallen so far short of its promise that now its followers would desecrate monuments to fallen heroes?

America bleeds for the failures of Mr. Bush and his cronies.  Thanks Mr. Bush's betrayal of trust, the American Conservative movement has blood on its hands.



In the Bush era, the (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
In the Bush era, the nation has gone backwards:  government waste is epidemic, schools are underfunded, corruption owns K street, we've been through recession and a very long, sluggish recovery that has helped the few and forced the many down, down, down.

In the face of that sprawling downward spiral, Virginia stands as a haven of clearmindedness.  Here in the Old Dominion, our schools are funded, our budget is balanced, the corrupt are brought to justice and the economy is lifting the many.

Jerry Kilgore is a small piece of George Bush, with him we know we will always go to the right, to the right, always to the right, and backwards, backwards, always backwards. 

Mark Warner and Tim Kaine are a positive contrast to the darkness of this kind of epidemic idiocy.  With Tim Kaine continuing the success of Mark Warner, Virginia can continue to weather these dark times, stay in tune with the central concerns of Americans and move forward, forward, always forward.

Forward with Tim Kaine.



Shawn; LOL! Teddy: (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Shawn;  LOL!
Teddy:  Great work!!


As suggested,I sent (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
As suggested,I sent an e-mail Mary Spain pointing out the loss of confidence in our electoral system and demanding, as a voter and taxpayer, a paper trail voting machine. To my astonisshment I actually received a reply (telling me my comments would be distributed to the members of the subcommittee).

A few other states have already passed legislation on this issue, and, according to MoveOn.org, Diebold voting machine Company (Diebold promised he would 'deliver Ohio' for Bush) is worried enough that they have hired a Democratic lobbyist to lobby Dems in Congress to stick with Diebold's infamous no-paper machines. Ha!



Thank you for emphat (Mukit Hossain - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Thank you for emphatically making the most important point of this issue - it's a story of people of faith coming together to help the unfortunate amongst us.  It's tragic that some folks use the terms 'day laborers' and 'illegal immigrants' interchangeably.  It is so insidious to do so.

But I must thank Kilgore, for I wear another hat as the President of the Virginian Muslim PAC, and Kilgore's stand on the day laborers helped us to mobilize the Muslim voters in Northern VA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110902274.html

This is a great site!  Keep it up.



Mukit: Thanks, I re (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Mukit:  Thanks, I really appreciate it.  Keep up the great work!! - Lowell


Amen. It's hearteni (PM - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Amen.  It's heartening to see local groups take charge on an issue like this.


Buz: Good questions (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:50 PM)
Buz:  Good questions.  I read the same Stratfor report you did and asked my contact there about it.  That's when he told me: "people who say that there?s a link [between MS-13 and Al Qaeda] are probably just paranoid."

The main point here is that, sure, we need to guard our borders vigilantly -- something, by the way, that the Bush Administration has not done a very good job of -- but we also shouldn't be going around making wild-eyed claims regarding an MS-13 connection to Al Qaeda.  So far, Kilgore's claim has been denied by the FBI and denounced by two Commonwealth's Attorneys in Virginia.  In other words, Kilgore's not doing so well so far on this one.



Josh: you're on the (J.R. - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Josh: you're on the mark...nice comments.

I couldn't contain myself.  Had to make a few remarks of my own on my blog.  Thanks for posting this.



Maybe there's (Greg - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Maybe there's diamonds there?  Or wait, that's right, it's oil.  Wonder if he or his friends have any business interests there?

I guess he forgot about:

"Thou shalt not kill." ~Exodus 20:13



Please tell me your (J.R. - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Please tell me your kidding.  This can't be true.  Geez...what a nutball.  Yes, I am the guy who writes for bearingdrift.com -- Conservative Commentary for Hampton Roads.  I'm so ashamed.  I feel pretty dirty right now.


J.R.: Dude, I truly (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
J.R.:  Dude, I truly and honestly wish I was kidding. :) As I said, I don't make this stuff up...in fact, it's crap like this that caused me to switch from being a Teenage Republican to an Adult Democrat.  Why don't you join me? :) - Lowell


Lowell...baby steps. (J.R. - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Lowell...baby steps...baby steps....


Thanks, Josh. I w (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Thanks, Josh.

I will be around! 



James wrote: ?Ed (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
James wrote:
?Education? is a core Conservative value.

I'll try to contain my laughter on that count.  When "conservatives" stop trying to foist evolution as science, stop creating unfunded mandates that close down schools, and start supporting ideas like pre-k school for kids, then your movement will have a claim to education.

Until then, your movement is radical and ignorance is both your goal and the river in which you swim.



Wandering about the (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Wandering about the conservative blog-pyramid, I got wind of their spin on this.  Baically their take on it is this:

"Big deal!  Big surprise!  Educators always support Democrats.  pffft!".

This itself is an endorsement. 

It show that education is a core Progressive value and ignorance a core Conservative value.



James: Pleasure to b (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
James: Pleasure to be formally introduced.

I am glad to hear you believe in the Easter Bunny.  It explains a lot. 

You have to be gullible to buy what the right wing is selling. 

I gave up the Easter Bunny around 10, but you keep the dream alive, man! 



It has gotten to the (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
It has gotten to the point where the entire right wing fundamentalist movement has become childish, bizarre, and completely unstable.

Whether you look at it from a perspective of biblical learning or from the perspective of American law, there is no foundation for the tragedy of violent fundamentalism in our culture.

Can we make the argument that violent fundamentalism is ok if it's christians, but not ok if it's muslims or jews?  When did we become exempt from common decency or rules of basic humanity?

Human history has seen a clear succession of hysterical fundamentalist movements rising up on the words of vocal zealots.  Only reason, wisdom, compassion and decency have ever prevailed against the unhinged, those who rise upon the opportunities they present, and those who follow.

Unfortunately, the cross-cultural hate of "our" zealots against "their" zealots will fan the flames until we all burn together, or until calmer heads prevail.



Jen, this is James Y (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Jen, this is James Young.
James, Jen.



JR: That's ok, take (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
JR:  That's ok, take your time! :)


Lowell: see if the (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Lowell:  see if the reader who wrote this might want to become a recurring contributor here.  Excellent points, well made, clear, concise, convincing.  I want to hear more from our friend here.


Do you think that yo (alva - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Do you think that you are funny?  just wondering.


Even Robertson apolo (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Even Robertson apologized for his crazy remarks.

Where's Kilgore's apology on the supposed Al-qaeda/MS-13 link?

Kilgore lives in a land all his own, built on fear and bereft of integrity.



CR UVa: A few point (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
CR UVa:  A few points.  First, the White House disavowed Robertson's remarks, so why can't Kilgore?  Second, Robertson's a HUGE supporter of Kilgore, and is based right here in Virginia; Kilgore has even more of a responsibility than the White House to condemn him.  Third, Tim Kaine gets criticized by the RPV for the advertising firm he uses, yet he doesn't have to vouch for a big-time supporter of his?  Can you spell "hypocrisy?"


Wait a second, you a (CR UVa - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Wait a second, you are judging Kilgore based on one supporter (albeit a very well-known one)?  While I think Robertson's statement is downright foolish, Jerry Kilgore does not need to defend himself or Robertson.


Maybe Pat should hir (PM - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Maybe Pat should hire someone to take the guy out -- his group has lots of people with barely controlled rage, and who like to fondle their Second Amendment playthings.  Or he could just look in the Yellow Pages under "Smite".


Josh: Thanks for sa (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:51 PM)
Josh:  Thanks for saving me the trouble of responding....


Mike: I certainly wo (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:52 PM)
Mike: I certainly wouldn't argue that Jeff Frederick's violation of county zoning ordinances is a major issue in eastern Prince William County, but I see nothing wrong with Hilda Barg's campaign pointing that out.  Anyway, there's plenty of "meat" in Hilda's website demonstrating what a far, FAR superior representative she'll make for her district compared to Jeff "He's a punk" Frederick! - Lowell


That's a nice little (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:27:52 PM)
That's a nice little website; good bones to it. I'll look forward to watching her flesh it out.


Frederick is making (Vineyard - 4/4/2006 11:27:52 PM)
Frederick is making a big deal out of Barg refusing to debate him. How does this board, given all the debate talk we hear on it, feel about Barg being afraid to debate Frederick? Are we going to see a "Hilda the Duck" website?


Dorsett: I have no (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:52 PM)
Dorsett:  I have no idea what the deal is with that.  I'll check on it and report what, if anything, I find out.  In general, I'm very much in favor of debates, as long as they are REAL debates and not shams of some sort.  -- Lowell


Josh: I agree, it d (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:27:53 PM)
Josh:  I agree, it definitely needs to be "fleshed out."