Post poll has Allen down to 2 point lead

By: teacherken
Published On: 10/14/2006 10:22:42 PM

...in a story now up on Post website, Allen, Webb In Virtual Tie For Senate, Post Poll Says.  The subheading is:
N.Va. Voters Differ From Rest of State

...which should not surprise anyone.

More below the fold.
The lead is 49-47, with a 3-point margin of error.  This was a 3-day poll conducted last week, and the story is co-written by Bob Barnes and Michael Shear.

A couple of quick notes, while staying within fair use

The three issues that poll respondents cite most frequently as extremely important -- the situation in Iraq, the war on terrorism and ethics in government -- are all volatile subjects heading into the campaigns' final weeks.

But the poll contains plenty of concern for the former Navy secretary and author from Falls Church. Webb owns a solid lead only in Northern Virginia, and his supporters as a group are far less enthusiastic about his candidacy than are Allen's voters.

Go read the entire story.

Turnout will be critical.  And as of the time the poll was taken, Allen still had a positive approval rating for his performance in the Senate, and was not being hurt by disapproval of Bush or the recent Republican scandals.

But then, this poll was last week, before a lot of the DSCC advertising had begun to run, and the margin had still closed to 2%.

Post says people are locking in on their positions and unlikely to change.  If so, it is an uphill race.  But it is doable. Who would have predicted that Allen would outspend Webb through the end of September by more than $9 million to less than $2 million, and see his lead bascially evaporate?


Comments



Excellent catch (PM - 10/14/2006 10:51:14 PM)
This is a good place to be if you are a challenger with just a few weeks to go.


good place to be? yes and no (teacherken - 10/14/2006 10:57:52 PM)
to be only two points down is good

to have the incumbent at 49% with only 3% undecided is NOT a good place to be. 

You have to hope the model of the election is wrong, and that for example turnout in N VA will be higher than predicted, as it was in the primary, and that there will be some depression of turnout in the rural areas.

And Webb really needs to do some work with women.  He should not be splitting women with Allen.  Those attack ads have had some impact, otherwise the poll might well show Jim ahead.  The attacks were designed to suppress Jim's support among women, and this is being reinforced by having Susan appear in an ad.

Perhaps it is time for Jim to have an ad by the woman who introduced him at his kickoff -- the mother of his children, his ex-wife.  Now, wouldn't it be interesting if he had an ad with her and Hong (now very pregnant) ..  except I doubt Jim would agree to such an ad. 



turnout.. (drmontoya - 10/14/2006 11:02:19 PM)
turnout is KEY. The GOP machine is going to do everything, and they already are to turnout their base on election day. If we (the dems, and indie's) are more fired up for a Webb victory then we can take it.

Let's see if all this scandal keeps repubs home.



TV ads.. (drmontoya - 10/14/2006 11:00:22 PM)
yes, I love the DSCC's ad and especially love the 1million dollar tag on it. However, Allen's running ads.. hard.

If he could spend the entire day on TV.. he would.

I am hoping and betting the Webb Team is going to keep firing back Allen's baseless Ads probably with help from the DSCC's running of another ad I hear??

Go Jim Webb!!!



Also, new Allen ad on hate amendment (PM - 10/14/2006 11:00:26 PM)
http://www.timesdisp...

Ads on marriage amendment to air
Supporters, opponents starting commercials on radio, television

BY PAMELA STALLSMITH AND JEFF E. SCHAPIRO
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITERS Oct 14, 2006

The battle over the proposed constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage has moved to the airwaves.

The Commonwealth Coalition, the group leading the fight against the measure, will start broadcasting its first television ad today statewide on CNN. The initial ad buy cost $200,000, said coalition director Claire Guthrie Gasta?aga, and the group plans to launch another television ad next week.

"We feel that this is the point at which voters are paying attention," Gasta?aga said. "Every informed voter is a 'no' voter."

The 30-second ad, called "Burning," shows a fire consuming an aged document as the announcer says, "The Virginia Bill of Rights, Jefferson's model for the Declaration of Independence. Ballot Question One would destroy it. In the voting booth read all of Ballot Question One closely."

Meantime, U.S. Sen. George Allen, R-Va., has started running a one-minute radio commercial that spotlights his support for the amendment. The Allen ad presumably would have special resonance among religious, social and cultural conservatives usually loyal to the GOP.

The Allen commercial notes that Democratic challenger Jim Webb opposes the amendment and tells voters that "you'll have the opportunity to stand up to the Jim Webbs of this world -- to those people who want to weaken marriage."

The ad closes, "We don't want the Hollywood liberal values of Jim Webb and Hillary Clinton. We're just fine with our solid Virginia values."

I don't think this is a good choice of ads for Allen.  This is a minor issue vis a vis who you'll vote for, for most people. 



Webb down to the Wire (seamusotoole - 10/14/2006 11:08:10 PM)
Every single one of us needs to get out there and get out the vote.  I spent five hours canvassing today with fantastic results and I live in one of the most Republican precincts in the county.  People want a change.  They see what's happened in Iraq and the mess we're in and they're concerned as to where this administration has taken us.  It is up to us to take back our country and our state and get Webb elected.  We have 23 days left until the election.  Make every one of those days count.  Talk to your friends, neighbors and family members about Webb and educate them.  People aren't buying the Allen ads out here and see right through them.  The negative ads didn't work for Kilgore and I'm hoping that they're not going to fly this go round either.  People are too smart to fall for this garbage is my hope.  If not, I have my serious doubts about the citizens of this state. 


RE: Mostly Good News (JPTERP - 10/14/2006 11:28:35 PM)
It's good to see Webb continue to close the gap.  Also, it's good to see Allen stuck at 49% after having spent $9 million.  This one will come down to the wire--GOTV and grass roots work are one side of the equation, TV ads on the other side.


Areas of emphasis (Catzmaw - 10/14/2006 11:53:14 PM)
There's still the problem of Webb and women.  We need more than just the one ad featuring the military women. 

Another thing is the whole tax attack -- I saw three ads today featuring Allen's lies about Webb's tax positions.  He's got be hit very hard about this.  The one Webb ad attacking the lies is good, but where are the ads attacking Allen's failure to pass a minimum wage increase, etc.

The Iraq thing should be more prominent, along with Mr. Webb's proposals for what to do about the situation.  A lot of people are complaining that they don't like the present situation, but they think he's not going to do anything different.  For one thing we ought to emphasize how much money has flowed to the no-bid contracts with absolutely zero oversight. 

I'm watching an anti-Steele ad right now. Why don't we have something talking about Allen's support for privatizing social security and signing off on the medicare donut?  Old people vote.  It would suck if we lost this because our ads aren't good enough.



There is just no way to overestimate the importance of (GeorgeAllenVa - 10/14/2006 11:54:32 PM)
turnout. All of us are going to have to vote--and do everything we can do make sure every other Webb supporter votes. If you aren't already volunteering, now is the time to start.


Let's not forget (Catzmaw - 10/15/2006 12:09:53 AM)
That the whole point of the constitutional amendment is to get the evangelicals and anti-gays out to vote, because their votes are guaranteed to go with Allen.

We have to attack that amendment in order to: a) show people that they're being manipulated with this crap; and b) to get them thinking about whether they should be voting for Allen, who has come out in favor of changing our constitution.



Mudcat Saunders (kestrel9000 - 10/15/2006 2:17:43 PM)
agrees with this.
Click the vu meter to hear him break it down.
I have a great deal more that I can put up here if the interest is sufficient.


Women's votes (Dianna - 10/15/2006 12:36:40 AM)
Those of you who have the ear of the campaign need to get Webb to connect with women and their issues today--not argue in some arcane manner about what happened 27 years ago. I am a woman who is enthusiastic in my support with money and time. However, in my phone calling, it is apparent to me that some women aren't sold on Webb. I think he needs commercials about what negative things are happening to women as they are killed or injured or taken away from their families to serve in Iraq--in a failing war; what is happening to middle class families who need both spouses to work for their families' benefits; how single mothers are working hard, but costs for many of the needs of their children are increasing; how some women cannot afford the cost of proper health care for themselves or their children.
These are the things we women and mothers worry about, and Jim Webb needs to show his softer side--one that emphathizes with women's needs, and the harder side--one who will fight for us.


You're speaking my language (Catzmaw - 10/15/2006 4:26:47 PM)
and a lot more eloquently than I put it. I know military women who've been away from their families for two tours.  Women who joined the National Guard so they could get a little education and insurance coverage for their kids, especially single mothers, are having to leave their babies with grandma for 7 mos to a year at a time. 

Let's hear some talk about who holds those minimum wage jobs:  many are poor women who are just eaking by without any coverage for their children. 

I don't know who's doing the ads, but they're missing a golden opportunity to pick up and run away with the female vote.  The women are going to be the difference in all areas but Northern Virginia in this election.  They're the primary target.  And since Mark Warner, who happens to be very popular with women voters, is suddenly without a hobby, how about he starts aggressively campaigning among Virginia's women for Webb?



Wadhams said something nice about us? (PM - 10/15/2006 11:02:34 AM)
At least indirectly.  In an interview with the Denver Post, Wadhams was making observations about the role of bloggers, and referring to the Allen-Webb race said:

But "this sustained and continued coverage was something I had never seen before," he says. He speaks of "the intensity and the speed with which these things get magnified" because of the Internet.

http://www.denverpos...



Dick Wad(hams) should know (Lowell - 10/15/2006 11:19:17 AM)
He did a highly effective, if unethical, job using bloggers in South Dakota.  The problem for Wad(hams) is that Virginia is NOT South Dakota.  For one thing, we have many more newspapers and many more political reporters for him to try and intimidate.  Second, we have a highly active, articulate, intelligent, and forceful Democratic blogosphere in Virginia.  Finally, we have a candidate - George Allen - who keeps saying really dumb and really offensive things, and we've got YouTube to get those things out there.  I don't believe YouTube was around during 2004.


PM makes a good point on the internet..... (bladerunner - 10/15/2006 11:19:19 AM)
Expect Allen IF reelected to try to squash the internet because it has exposed the truth about him. That pisses me off too. Also I might ad that I saw an interesting statement come out of Allen's mouth on on of the Youtube clips. It was a rainy day, and he was addressing a crowd some where South of the James River, and he said"This is great, this is victory weather" That statement reinforces the fact that Allen's camp, also GOP in general like to suppress the vote. They know that their voters will come out rain, sleet or snow. So everyone out there get your lazy ass friends who you know are dems out to the polls and vote. I've already heard a few people I know say,"Man, I am just too busy, But I do hope I can make it to the polls." Folks that ain't good enough, everyone that reads this tell as many possible people as you can to get out and vote. We're going to need everyone. Otherwise, and I have experienced this too much over the last 15 years....waking up the day after to find out we still have George Allen....imagine how you'll feel with that reality staring you in the face.


Daily Press Article on Minority Vote (Newport News Dem - 10/15/2006 3:48:40 PM)
"Allen Courts Black Voters" is the title.

http://www.dailypres...

"Webb is a real curiosity," said Del. Ken. Melvin, D-Portsmouth, who is African-American and said he will vote for Webb but doesn't expect to campaign for him. "He had problems because of what he said about affirmative action, but also because he was a Republican. Look at his first ad. He was with Reagan."

Webb, who was Secretary of the Navy under President Reagan, has talked often about bringing Reagan Democrats back to the party. Some black voters are wondering why he isn't reaching out to those who stayed.

And Delegate Melvin, probably rightfully so, does not speak well of the Democratic City Committees. We need to rebuild the  local Party.

"Clearly the Webb campaign does not have the resources that the Kaine and Warner campaigns had. He does not have the get-out-to-vote (apparatus). That means it falls back on the city committees. We have to get out the vote for him."

Melvin laughs at that strategy.

"If you've got to depend on the city committees to get out the vote, you're in deep trouble," he said



Now I know (Catzmaw - 10/15/2006 4:36:43 PM)
that it wasn't Webb's fault that all his scheduled appearances except one NAACP dinner last weekend, which were meant to connect him to black voters, were rained out and canceled; however, there is still a void out there with black voters that someone in the campaign needs to help him fill.

It isn't about macaca or the n-word.  It's about appealing to the things which are important to black voters, among them the war (a lot of minority youth go into the military), the economy, education, and civil liberties.  This last issue should appeal to black voters in particular.  They know what it's like to be targeted by those in power and have an inherent distrust of unaccountable power concentrated in too few hands.  Do they really want the government to have limitless wiretapping capabilities?  Do they want people to be arrested and held for years without hearings or lawyers?  How about torture? 

To:  Whomever's setting up Mr. Webb's schedule -- why send him to more Democratic dinners when there are other competing activities which may get him touch with minority voters?  We already know the Democrats are going to vote for him. Now we need him to reach out to the people who don't know him and see no reason to vote for him. 



PROBLEM!!! (Dan - 10/15/2006 8:37:08 PM)
It is still unbelievable that Allen still has such a big advantage on the terrorism issue, isn't it?