Oh. My. God. [UPDATE: It's Official, Mark Warner is Out]

By: Lowell
Published On: 10/12/2006 9:37:43 AM

If this is true, it qualifies as a true "Oh My God" moment.  Thoughts?

October 12, 2006
Breaking: Warner May Not Run In '08

Ex-VA Gov. Mark Warner plans to make a major announcement today about his 2008 presidential bid, three Virginia Democratic sources said. According to two Virginia Democrats who have been formally briefed, Warner is expected to say that he has decided not to run for president in 2008. Warner will speak to Virginia reporters at 11:00 am ET. A Warner spokeswoman declined to comment.

Posted at 09:00 AM


[UPDATE: The story is being confirmed by the AP, Reuters, and the Washington Post.]

[UPDATE:  Read Mark Warner's statement here.  Basically, he's saying that this is all about family, and that he's no precluding future runs for political office.   I certainly hope not.  Mark Warner for Governor in 2009?]

[UPDATE:  Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post has his "Winners and a Loser" thoughts from the Mark Warner decision.  Winners include Evan Bayh, John Edwards, and - to a lesser extent, Hillary Clinton.  The big loser, according to Cillizza, is "the state of Virginia."]


[UPDATE: Jim Webb has issued a statement: "Mark Warner is a great Virginian and a fine American. He has helped me a great deal since I entered the race for U.S. Senate, and I look forward to working with him in order to bring positive and lasting change to our country."]

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



I second that. (phriendlyjaime - 10/12/2006 9:40:16 AM)
And raise you a few caps.

Oh.  My.  GOD.



Well (doctormatt06 - 10/12/2006 10:25:12 AM)
I third you and say

HOLY

FREAKING

HELL!!!



Just Got his email (Gordie - 10/12/2006 12:05:13 PM)
a sad day for us , but I am sure a much better one for him and his family. Heading out to remove the bumper stickers "Warner for President '08"


hey gordie (chiefsjen - 10/12/2006 12:22:43 PM)
can i ask what that sticker looked like?

i actually did a lot of design work for draftmarkwarner.com, designing the bumper stickers, buttons, web site graphics, etc...

can you let me know if you had one of my stickers?

thanks

jen



Looked like (Gordie - 10/12/2006 1:37:15 PM)
Blue back ground. 9 white stars across the top; second line "Mark Warner", white letters with a red border around each letter; at the end was '08 red numbers with a white border;
last line had 3 white stars, then: "for President", in white letters with red border.
of course in lower right corner is www.markwarner2008.net


ahhh (chiefsjen - 10/12/2006 2:18:13 PM)
that's the other one -- i also have that sticker on my car, along with the ones i made for dmw.com -- we tried to get markwarner08.net to carry our stickers, but their design people tried to re-create it because mine looked better than theirs and they screwed it all up...it was very disappointing to say the least.

the stuff i designed was on the cafepress.com/draftmwarner



the right site address (chiefsjen - 10/12/2006 2:19:36 PM)
http://www.cafepress...


Make new stickers.... (carolinadreamer - 10/12/2006 4:11:13 PM)
in preparation for 2008.

--Mark Warner For Senate.--

He and Webb would be great representing VA together. And, whether or not John decides to retire, his last name will do wonders.  ;)



Do we have to take the stickers off? (Jen Little - 10/12/2006 3:42:42 PM)


It gave (Gordie - 10/12/2006 10:56:21 PM)
me more room for another Jim Webb sticker


Odd (Eric - 10/12/2006 9:44:45 AM)
If true, does it mean he didn't find enough support? 

Or perhaps he's thinking he'd rather go for Senator Warner's seat in two years before trying a presidential run?

We'll see in a short while...



He said he didn't want to be a Senator. (Lowell - 10/12/2006 9:46:54 AM)
I don't get it.


He didn't want to be a minority Senator (Bubby - 10/12/2006 10:14:34 AM)
But being a Senator in a majority party...the possibilities to shape America's future are huge.


Sorry, but if you want a majority Senate (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:30:17 AM)
You should help out by running.  Oh well, it's water under the bridge now.  I actually like Jim Webb on Iraq better than what Warner has been saying, so Webb was the superior choice THIS YEAR.


Oh, I agree. (Bubby - 10/12/2006 11:11:12 AM)
I just believe that Mark Warner has made some predictions about the political tectonics under way.  The Congress is in upheaval, and the Whitehouse will be a difficult duty station for the forseeable future. I'm starting to believe that Hillary may have what it takes (strong focus). God Bless America (we'll need it).


I Know He Is Smart (jackiehva - 10/12/2006 12:47:03 PM)
but Mark Warner is even smarter than I thought.  Who in their right mind would want to be exposed to all the scrutiny and personal trashing that is par for the course for a candidate for any office?  And who in Hades would want to inherit the George Dubya disaster?  I hope Mark stays in the political arena--we need people with his intelligence and personal qualities. 


Perhaps he wants to be VP (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:24:03 AM)
This seems to be related to Hillary.  Just eliminating candidates before the race starts . . .


If that's the case... (Loudoun County Dem - 10/12/2006 9:48:54 AM)
Or perhaps he's thinking he'd rather go for Senator Warner's seat in two years

Then welcome to:

Mark Warner - Tom Davis's Worst Nightmare!!



If John Warner retires (David Campbell - 10/12/2006 12:59:29 PM)
Mark Warner would be a shoo-in.  Half the Republicans would vote for Warner without noticing the difference.


In case you did not get the email, here it is (Gordie - 10/12/2006 12:08:02 PM)
Dear Gordon,

Nine months ago, I left the office of Governor in Virginia. I was immensely proud of what we had accomplished. We faced historic challenges and got real results.

Upon leaving office, I committed all my time and energy to Forward Together because we need a new direction in America.

Everywhere I’ve traveled, I found hope that we could turn this country around. That Americans are looking for leaders who at this moment of enormous challenge for our country can actually bring us together and get things done.

I’ve heard that regardless of the depth of dismay at the direction President Bush has taken our country, rank and file Democrats are energized, and want ours to be a party of hope, not of anger.

I am especially proud of the work we’ve done in supporting those kinds of candidates throughout America.

We got a lot done.

Forward Together has contributed more money this year to Democratic candidates and party organizations than any other federal leadership PAC. Our effort raised over $9 million.

I headlined 86 events in 25 states to help raise or directly donate $7.3 million to Democrats this cycle.

And our work is not done—especially at home in Virginia, where I continue to work to help Jim Webb win.

But this has also been another kind of journey—one that would lead to a decision as to whether I would seek the Democratic nomination for President.

Late last year, I said to Lisa and my girls, “Let’s go down this path and make a decision around Election Day.”

But there were hiring decisions and people who’ve put their lives on hold waiting to join this effort.

So about a month ago, I told my family and people who know me best that I would make a final decision after Columbus Day weekend, which I was spending with my family. After 67 trips to 28 states and five foreign countries, I have made that decision.

I have decided not to run for President.

This past weekend, my family and I went to Connecticut to celebrate my Dad’s 81st birthday, and then we took my oldest daughter Madison to start looking at colleges.

I know these moments are never going to come again. This weekend made clear what I’d been thinking about for many weeks—that while politically this appears to be the right time for me to take the plunge—at this point, I want to have a real life.

And while the chance may never come again, I shouldn’t move forward unless I’m willing to put everything else in my life on the back burner.

This has been a difficult decision, but for me, it’s the right decision.

It’s not a decision I have easily reached. I made it after a lot of discussion with my family and a few close friends, and ultimately a lot of reflection, prayer, and soul-searching.

Let me also tell you what were not the reasons for my decision.

This is not a choice that was made based on whether I would win or lose. I can say with complete conviction that—15 months out from the first nomination contests—I feel we would have had as good a shot to be successful as any potential candidate in the field.

As for my family, Lisa and our three girls have always had a healthy amount of skepticism, but would have been willing to buckle down and support the effort. I love them all and appreciate their faith in me.

So what’s next?

First, I know that many friends, staff and supporters who have been so generous with time, ideas, energy, and financial support will be disappointed.

My decision does not in any way diminish my desire to be active in getting our country fixed. It doesn’t mean that I won’t run for public office again.

I want to serve, whether in elective office or in some other way. I’m still excited about the possibilities for the future.

In the short-term, I am going to do everything I can do make sure Democrats win in 2006. It’s an exciting year to be a Democrat. I leave shortly to go to Iowa to support folks running for state and congressional office. Hope they are still excited to see me.

I want to thank the thousands of Americans who have donated to Forward Together, hosted me in their homes, shared their ideas, and given me encouragement.

I also want to thank all of the staff and key advisors at Forward Together who have created a great organization. If we had chosen to go forward, I know they had the skills, talent, and dedication to take us all the way.

And finally, as I have traveled the country, I have been amazed at what pent-up positive energy for change exists.

In my speeches, I always acknowledge that what disappoints me most about this administration in Washington is that with all the challenges we face . . . and the tragedies we have experienced, from 9-11 to Katrina . . . that the President has never rallied the American people to come together, to step up, to ask Americans to be part of the solution.

I think a number of our party’s potential candidates understand that. I think, in fact, we have a strong field. A field of good people. I think they’re all hearing what I heard: that Americans are ready to do their part to get our country fixed. I wish them all well.

And I want to say thanks to all who’ve been part of this effort.

Mark Warner

P.S. You can use this page on the Forward Together site to write to me: http://www.forwardto...



George Allen did it (Gordie - 10/12/2006 10:59:47 PM)
Allen ruined any chances for some one to run from VA. Who in their right mind would support some one from VA with the way Allen disgraced VA politics. Gilmore should get the same message soon, unless he is too dense.


If true... (Todd Smyth - 10/12/2006 9:49:06 AM)
It means he talked with a lot of people and made a decision based on many factors.  My problem is I wouldn't second guess Warner's decision making ability but that's also why I would like him to run in '08.


If true, this pretty much clears the way (Lowell - 10/12/2006 9:50:35 AM)
for Hillary Clinton as the 2008 Dem. nominee, unless Al Gore decides to run.  Thoughts on that?


Edwards !!! (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 10:08:52 AM)
It's going to be Edwards vs. McCain.
Edwards is going to win.


Who would be Hillary's mate? (Todd Smyth - 10/12/2006 10:17:32 AM)
Who makes a good match for Hillary?


Kerry '08 for me! (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:25:11 AM)
He'll stop the war.  And his experience in terrorism (a la BCCI) is unmatched by ANY of the other candidates.


Kerry? (hrconservative - 10/12/2006 10:28:20 AM)
You seem to be lonely on this. All of my Democratic friends scoff at a Kerry '08 run.


Well, they haven't been paying attention (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:37:06 AM)
Kerry has been the most outspoken on this war and as a critic of the administration.  However, he has been largely under the radar.  I think your Democratic friends will find that the more they see of him, the better they'll like him.

Hillary is going to have all of those high priced consultants that are paid millions to convince their candidates to stop being themselves.  Kerry knows not to make that mistake again, and his authenticity will be quite attractive to many Democrats looking for change.



I respectfully disagree (vadem - 10/12/2006 10:51:58 AM)
That Kerry "has been the most outspoke on this war and critic of the administration".  Wes Clark has been openly critical of this war and this administration since right after 9-11, when he learned that the plans were to go to Iraq.  Kerry had every opportunity to call them liars when he ran for president last time.  He voted for this resolution to give them authority to go to war.  I'm afraid he missed the opportunity to stand up loudly and clearly, without equivocation on this matter.  Any senator who voted for this war is going to have a real hard time convincing the American voters why they now have a change of heart--just in time to run again.  This includes Hillary and Edwards.  Wes Clark has been right all along, and he has the street cred to back up what he says. 


voted for the war (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 11:01:56 AM)
"including Edwards".

Pretty broad brush there. 



Edwards retracted that vote btw.... (beachydem - 10/12/2006 12:28:02 PM)
Most Dems did.  Get over it :)


A retracted vote (vadem - 10/12/2006 12:47:05 PM)
Does not equal a retracted war.  Hindsight is always 20/20.  Its the foresight that is important. Those 2700 lost soldiers don't get a do-over.


Ummm (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/12/2006 11:11:48 AM)
Howard Dean was outspoken against it before it was fashionable to be.....just sayin'!


No Howard Dean! (DanG - 10/12/2006 11:40:18 AM)
No Howard Dean, no John Kerry, no Hillary Clinton!  Find somebody in the middle ground who can relate to ALL of America.  You know, like Clinton did?  THE ONLY DEMOCRAT WHO HAS WON THE HIGHEST OFFIVE SINCE REAGAN?  Take a look at Edwards or Bayh.


Dude, relax! (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/12/2006 12:52:41 PM)
I wasn't suggesting Howie for Prez, just that if he were elected in '04 we might even be on the way out of Iraq by now.  And Iraq would probably have a functioning government with an economy about to take off and realize oil profits.

Ahhh, if only.



I Agree (jackiehva - 10/12/2006 1:01:01 PM)
I don't believe Kerry or Hillary can win.  We need a Clinton clone--a MODERATE Democrat.  The Far Right of the GOP is out of favor and the Far Left of the Democrats will suffer the same fate.  Republicans and Independents will support a moderate Democrat over an extreme Republican.  There MUST be an intelligent, articulate, moderate, charismatic Dem. out there.  Yes, charisma is very important.  Unfortunately, John Kerry doesn't have it. 


AGREED! (Jen Little - 10/12/2006 3:52:03 PM)


Kerry spoke out against the war BEFORE (beachmom - 10/12/2006 11:43:04 AM)
it started.  He said there should be regime change in Washington and got a lot of flack for it at the time.

Kerry disavowed his vote a year ago.  Given the Downing Street Memo and other evidence, it is rather obvious now that Bush was going to go to war no matter what, regardless of U.N. weapons inspections or real evidence of WMD.

I like Clark, and wouldn't mind seeing him in a VP position. 



I agree (fedup - 10/12/2006 11:20:00 AM)
He has been under the radar but his message has been resonating around the country. He has been out there fighting to win in '06 from the get go.

He backed Webb during the primary and they both got over a bitterness between the 2 of them because its not just about them, but what is right for the country.

He did not back Lieberman during the primary and then it was well you backed Webb. His answer, Joe is out for Joe and not what is right for the country.

I am onboard for a Kerry '08, IMO no one else comes close.



Kerry would lose (DanG - 10/12/2006 10:29:26 AM)
Kerry could beat Bush, but would get crushed by McCain.  We're going to need somebody new to beat whoever the GOP throws out there.


proving my point (hrconservative - 10/12/2006 10:30:46 AM)
see what I mean, beachmom?


I agree with Beachmom (fedup - 10/12/2006 11:31:26 AM)
so I guess your even. This will not be won on the internet, it will be won by talking one on one with the people.



Kerry = Hillary (DanG - 10/12/2006 11:42:07 AM)
Tossing away the biggest opportunity that Dems have had in a while.  I get the feeling that the country will be sick of Bush by 2008, and ready for a change.  How is John Kerry, somebody they've already seen and rejected, a CHANGE?  Kerry is like Hillary, a VERY bad move.


Ever heard of the Kerry/Feingold amendment? (beachmom - 10/12/2006 12:43:47 PM)
A timetable for withdrawal from Iraq in July '07, a Dayton like summit, while leaving forces to train and get al Qaeda, and obviously (like Webb has said) no permanent bases.  Hillary did NOT vote for it, because she supports this war, and doesn't seem to be in any hurry to end it.

Hillary and Kerry have NOTHING in common.  Kerry got more votes in American history except for Bush.  He has a LOT of support, and there are also many having buyer's remorse, now that they've discovered Kerry was right about everything -- from his criticisms of Bush on the Iraq War to privatising social security (he said Bush would try to do it, and he did) to Bush's failed policy for North Korea to the fact that the war in terror, although sometimes involving the military is largely an intelligence gathering and law enforcement war (George Will gave him credit for that).

Stay tuned . . . and take a listen to what he has to say.  It is quite compelling.



Hillary and Kerry have one thing in common (DanG - 10/12/2006 12:58:04 PM)
They'd both get crushed.  I'd be willing to bet money on that. 


Let's wait until primary season (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:38:46 AM)
and let voters decide.  I thought picking the most muscular candidate who is unflinching in their views is how most netroots folks want to go this time.  Kerry is the guy, and I wouldn't mind seeing him paired with Clark. 


And on McCain vs. Kerry (beachmom - 10/12/2006 10:41:51 AM)
That would be an interesting matchup.  According to McCain's own book, he would get so angry at the POW/MIA hearings, and be on the verge of losing his temper, that Kerry would have to put his hand on McCain's arm to calm him down.

Hmmmm . . .whose finger do you want on the button?  The person who can't control his temper or the person who had to calm him down?



He could run for Gov again in 2009... (Loudoun County Dem - 10/12/2006 9:52:21 AM)
...We have no obvious candidate on the bench (although we have some outstanding ones for down ticket).

This would set him up nicely for a run in 2012. Plus it is almost impossible to run for president as Senator, there are too many nested votes for the opposition to exploit. No sitting Senator has been elected President since JFK.



Very good point. (Lowell - 10/12/2006 9:54:30 AM)
Mark Warner would win the Governorship EASILY in 2009.


or (thegools - 10/12/2006 10:33:31 AM)
Governor Creigh Deeds


AG Creigh Deeds (DanG - 10/12/2006 11:44:05 AM)
With Warner on the top of the ticket, Creigh will be in better shape to win the Attorney General position.  If Warner runs in 2009, I get the feeling it will be:
Governor - Warner
Lt. Gov - Moran
Attorney General - Deeds


How about... (elevandoski - 10/12/2006 9:55:25 AM)
VP in 2008?


That may be very possible (DanG - 10/12/2006 10:09:09 AM)
If he endorses the winning candidate, and does what he can to help, he may land himself on the bottom-half of the ticket.  After all, he's got money, and he's not too controversial.


Other Sources (LoganFerree - 10/12/2006 10:10:43 AM)
Washington Post: http://www.washingto...

Daily Press: http://www.dailypres...



wow (hrconservative - 10/12/2006 10:11:24 AM)
Wow, this would be surprising. I was sure Mark Warner had a great shot at the Dem nomination. I wouldn't have voted for him, of course, but I am still shocked if this turns out to be true.


If True, A Big Bummer (stafford dems - 10/12/2006 10:11:28 AM)
Mike Shear's posting on WashingtonPost.com suggests concern for family.  But perhaps he is concerned about fundraising as well.

Still, he'd be great as VP!



REALLY!! (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/12/2006 11:13:49 AM)
I was just getting excited about having him as a Presidential candidate (I was angry with him initially) and then he goes and does this!

ARGH!

I had just heard him speak at the Kennedy-King Dinner in Alexandria a few weeks ago and he really inspired and moved me, and I was ready to go gangbusters for him.

I am CRUSHED.



Dropping like a stone. (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 10:12:21 AM)
Yep, I'm watching tradesports.com live and Warner futures  took a huge drop about a minute ago.  Bids on table are down to a buck.


Edwards is up a little. (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 10:22:09 AM)
Edwards seems to be the only one picking up a little of the money from the Warner pull out.


True (DanG - 10/12/2006 10:32:13 AM)
Edwards becomes the "southern" candidate if Warner does decide not to run.


Looks like an Edwards/Clinton race. (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 10:36:25 AM)
The wild card is Gore, though.  Edwards will pick up the Warner vote. Hillary will run the establishment campaign and Edwards will run an insurgency campaign.  Since spending is limited in Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton won't be able to overwhelm early. Edwards should set up shop in Des Moines on Nov. 8th and start knocking on doors.


Edwards/Clinton.... (Left Wing - 10/12/2006 12:49:30 PM)
...is my ideal ticket. 

I'm going to sound very sexist here but I have to say it.  The men have been in charge these past two hundred years, they started out with a perfectly good democracy and they have f*cked it up royaly. I'm sick of the fact that being a white male is an instant avantage.  What have they done to earn that advantage? We don't have a goverment 'for the people and by the people'...it is about money and power and corrupt at every level. Enough! 

A better ticket might be Clinton/Obama, but I'm realistic and I can be patient.

P.S.  One of the reasons I support Jim Webb is because he hasn't been through the meat grinder yet.  He is honest and true and I'd like to keep him that way!



Bayh, Richardson, Vilsack up , too (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 10:43:53 AM)
According to the Dem. Nominee market, in addition to Edwards, Bayh's picking up some the fallout from Warner, so is Richardson and Vilsack. Hillary is actually down.  A smaller field does not work in her favor.


Don't know about that... (Bwana - 10/12/2006 11:02:18 AM)
A smaller field does work in her favor if she is able to stake out her turf early.  If she is able to grab her ideological position, then leave the others who are to her right struggling with each other, then she builds momentum and delegates while they eliminate each other.

Of course, this development is consistent with Bwana's Champions Theory of Conventions (http://renaissanceru...) and works well for any nominating process.



Clark up more.. (drmontoya - 10/12/2006 11:23:39 AM)
Why, clark has been EVERYWHERE fundraising for candidates in 2006.

Edwards, well. he goes to Iowa and New Hampshire alot.

At least we know he's got a ground game going..

but Clark got's the gravitas, message, heart, vision, and.. does anyone remember the overnight surge of endorsements for Clark (who entered very late).

I'd be suprised if Edwards got more endorsements than Clark when all of this begins.

And, I think Mark Warner dropping out changes EVERYTHING.. don't count Al Gore out anymore.

And, expect announcements earlier. perhaps right after the election.



Quick change (Newport News Dem - 10/12/2006 11:40:33 AM)
to your sig line doc!

My Kos sig is still "Warner - Clark '08 Republican Nightmare Ticket."



looks like hillary (pvogel - 10/12/2006 10:13:12 AM)
I think Clinton-warner is a lock. Clinton will be the den mother to clean up the  crap that the doggie republicans are dropping all over the lawn.

Thats my laugh out loud moment!!!  two years is a huge amount of time ....... but in the long run, just a blink



They (on NPR) reported just moments ago... (thegools - 10/12/2006 10:23:35 AM)
....that Warner will be making the announcement later today that he will not run for Pres.


Well (JohnM - 10/12/2006 10:32:00 AM)
im going to still hold out for Al Gore to throw his hat in the race.


Not gonna happen (DanG - 10/12/2006 10:32:41 AM)


Yeah but (JohnM - 10/12/2006 10:39:52 AM)
I will keep dreaming till it doesnt :)


He's still a young man (demnan - 10/12/2006 10:44:52 AM)
He can support the Democratic candidate in many ways, and he can vie for a VP or cabinet level position.  I wouldn't count him out for the long haul.


The New 800 lb Gorilla (Bwana - 10/12/2006 10:54:25 AM)
Here is what it gets down to...Warner's decision makes a bad day for a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle who really had not considered him in the mix for future Virginia races.  His stated decision to not run for POTUS in 2008 takes him a potential candidate for the US Senate in 2008 (which impacts Tom Davis, Jim Gilmore, Bob Goodlatte, and maybe even John Warner on the GOP side, and potentially Allen or Webb, and whatever democrats had started getting ideas) or Governor in 2009 (impacting Bill Bolling, McDonnell, Deeds, Byrne, B. Moran), with a ripple effect on down the stream.


I agree!! n/t (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/12/2006 11:15:38 AM)


11:08 (Newport News Dem - 10/12/2006 11:10:24 AM)
What is the verdict? Anyone on the inside?


damn!!!! (Newport News Dem - 10/12/2006 11:12:10 AM)
http://news.yahoo.co...


Before we start the Democratic Civil Wars ... (loboforestal - 10/12/2006 11:16:40 AM)
We got a winnable Senate Election early next Month.

Worry about Hillary,Gore,Edwards,Obama,Kerry and Clark after that.

Salute to Warner !!!

Go Jim Webb !!!



agree.. (drmontoya - 10/12/2006 11:20:38 AM)
to a point. but sorry guys. I can't stand John Edwards, everyone knows he didn't bring anything to the table other than charm. And that didn't win the election.

Good guy, not a good presidential candidate.



I'm sorry you feel that way about John Edwards.... (beachydem - 10/12/2006 6:17:05 PM)
Why is it that most Clark supporters say this over and over ad nauseum in all the liberal blogs ?

I have no problem with the General, I like him just fine, but the more I see his supporters out bashing other good Dems turns my stomach. Especially last night while John was live blogging at Daily Kos, it was the Clark supporters being rude.

Why?  'splain to Lucy ?  Thank you :)



Agreed! (beachmom - 10/12/2006 12:47:45 PM)
I think that we all have stayed civilized, but we have GOT to win in '06. 


Mark Warner.. (drmontoya - 10/12/2006 11:18:44 AM)
I think something happened, this is very very odd.

It's personal, for sure. But what? a scandal or a change of heart?

And, omg. John Edwards. What can he bring to the table? He can't win his home state!

That's embarassing.

At least Mark Warner would have most likely been able to carry Virginia and made us stronger in the heartland.

Everyone is saying, Edwards can pick up that.

Wtf? Yeah, he sure did a great job of that last time around!

I like Clark, but of course now H. Clinton is the frontrunner with almost no one strong enough to oppose her.



I don't want to talk about it yet. (Nichole - 10/12/2006 11:19:10 AM)
I am still in shock.


This is just terrible (Rebecca - 10/12/2006 11:46:24 AM)
I guess it is going to by Hillary vs. Gore. Don't even mention Kerry. I will get sick.


I'm so disappointed (JennyE - 10/12/2006 12:05:42 PM)
Mark Warner was my first choice. My worst fears that Hillary is going to win this thing is looking much surer now.

I'll have to go with Wes Clark after this. I still hope if Clark wins the nomination, he picks Warner as VP.



Still for '08 VP ? (beachydem - 10/12/2006 12:16:19 PM)
I'm not ruling his great talent out yet...:)


Don't shoot me. (Left Wing - 10/12/2006 12:35:25 PM)
I'm glad he withdrew and I respect him for it.  I hope others who feel the time isn't right will do the same so we can avoid an ugly primary battle.

Mark is young.  Where do you go from the presidency?  Mark is great, but he doesn't have the rock star quality that Bill Clinton has.  It would be hard for him to stay relevant and he has too much to offer to fade into formerpresidentdom. 



Thanks for your honesty, Mark. (phriendlyjaime - 10/12/2006 12:44:12 PM)
You're a great guy, and I will vote for you no matter what you run for.

Now, I am no longer talking about this bc we have an election for Senate in 27 days.



Warner.. (drmontoya - 10/12/2006 1:07:37 PM)
Mark warner doesn't want to run, but he's still on the short list for VP candidates in 2008!


"Draft Mark Warner" Statement (Lowell - 10/12/2006 1:17:57 PM)
Draft Mark Warner Response to Announcement that Gov. Mark Warner Has Decided to Not Run for President

October 12th, 2006—Nearly two years ago, Draft Mark Warner began a quest to convince Virginia Gov. Mark Warner to seek the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008.  Since

that time, Warner supporters from across the nation have been engaged in building support for a Warner candidacy.

We started this effort because America is on the wrong path and the nation is looking for someone to step up and lead.  Gov. Warner is the “Mark” of Leadership.

Draft Mark Warner supporters continue to believe Gov. Warner is the right man, with the right message, at the right time.  Today’s announcement does not change that reality.  He was not a candidate for president when this effort began.  His supporters will not not vanish.  We will continue to urge a change of direction in Washington.  Gov. Warner has lifted the bar for those who will run in 2008.

Partisan division is a destructive force in this nation.  Gov. Warner has the support of the vast majority of Virginians, including many Republicans.  He has made countless new friends nationwide, as have we.  Those of us who have benefited from his gifted talents will continue to support him as he charts his future. It has been a privilege.

We will continue to evaluate the sentiments of the movement and monitor the response from his followers.



Truly Disappointed (Jen Little - 10/12/2006 2:13:18 PM)
I understand, and totally respect Governor Warner’s decision, but I am still quite sad.

As far as the battle in 2008, it can only be Edwards with Governor Warner no longer seeking the office.

Today is a very disappointing day.



How About The Senate? (Catzmaw - 10/12/2006 3:32:08 PM)
John Warner's term will be up soon.  At his age he will possibly decide to retire instead of returning for another six years.  The scenario I'd like to see is Jim Webb winning this go-round, and then Mark Warner taking the other Senate seat when the time comes.  Even the Arlington SunGazette, which issued a very lukewarm endorsement of Allen the other day, said they would endorse Warner in an Allen/Warner race. 


Actually, since I had heard his wife and family were (summercat - 10/12/2006 4:58:52 PM)
really negative about his involvement in politics, I was in a sense more surprised that he was exploring a run than that he has decided against.  I do believe that he will run for governor when Tim Kaine's term is up.  Don't know if he'd consider a vp slot--but I have in the past thought Clark/Warner would be a great ticket. At present, I think this really opens the way for Clark--at least I hope so!! Sorry, but I can't get into any of the other would-bes.  And there is no way Hillary can win the general election.  Clark is the only Dem with any chance against McCain or Giuliani. JMHO. 


I'm pulling for Wes Clark now (mkfox - 10/13/2006 5:46:19 AM)
Richardson and Biden have foot-in-mouth disease; Hillary, Feingold and Kerry are too liberal or hateable (or at least perceived as such); I don't trust Bayh; Edwards is all charm and no substance; and Obama maybe but he's still a bit of a novice. Don't get me wrong, I'd love there to be a Feingold/Obama ticket but I'm also a realist. Hillary is the perceived frontrunner because people know who she is when polled about potential candidates. But there is no chance she'll win the election, unless New England and New York are planning to secede after she loses to McCain ala Reagan/Mondale in '84 due to the Republican propaganda machine.