Was There a Point to This?

By: Lowell
Published On: 10/2/2006 8:08:34 PM

Your thoughts on Allen's 2-minute waste of money?  No new ideas, no apologies, no new endorsements, no new pledge to serve for 6 years if re-elected, no new nothing.  Huh?

Missed Allen's 2-minute drill?  Watch it again here and please tell me what the point of that was.  Thanks.

P.S.  I hear toilets flushing all over Virginia.  No further comment.

P.P.S.  One takeaway message from that...thing, whatever it was?  Vote for George Allen!  Senior, that is.  Hahahahaha.

[UPDATE:  Ben makes a great point over at NLS - Allen called the charges against him "baseless."  What is George Allen saying here?  That Dr. Ken Shelton and all the others who have courageously come forward with stories about Allen's deplorable behavior, both past and present, are LYING?!?  What, that the whole "macaca" thing was just a big joke or something?  What is George Allen saying here?  That he's a victim of the horrible "liberal media" and nasty bloggers?  I could have sworn that those big, tough Republicans just HATED the whole politics of victimhood.  Guess not.]

[UPDATE #2: You know what was the dumbest thing about this advertisement?  The Allen camp raised expectations so HIGH, and then completely failed to meet them.  That's not smart, Dick!]

[UPDATE #3AP is reporting that "Webb today began a 30-second spot that features two retired military women rebutting claims in an Allen ad aired last week."  Nice.]

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



Allen (virginiablue2008 - 10/2/2006 8:11:35 PM)
Tried to use redskins.  Heard it all before.


RE: The Helmet (JPTERP - 10/2/2006 8:13:41 PM)
I noticed that in the background as well.  Well, at least no one can accuse Allen of basing his candidacy on reflected glory.  Oh wait . . .


Helmet (Jen Little - 10/2/2006 8:25:20 PM)
I noticed the helmet too... 

And then the close up of Allen's mug with daddy's picture in the background. 

He will have plenty of time to pretend he plays for the Redskins after November 7.

I did also notice the lack of Old Glory.  What was up with that?  Is he distancing himself from all flags these days?



Webb's campaign should be saying immediately (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 10/2/2006 8:12:45 PM)
We will debate you 10 times between now and the election. Anywhere, anytime. You want debate, let's do 2 per week.


I'd love to see that (Lowell - 10/2/2006 8:13:57 PM)
Debate George Allen on the issues?  Any. Day. Of. The. Week. :)


Ha! (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:19:39 PM)
Webb has offered Allen 10 debates!!! 

What a colossal waste of $$.

But, yeah the Redskins paraphernalia was strategically placed.



redskins (virginiablue2008 - 10/2/2006 8:23:05 PM)
Unfortunately, may help him since they won yesterday.  You Think?


I think that's sad. (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:25:52 PM)
It makes me sad that people would vote for someone bc of a football team instead of researching the issues and taking time to weigh the candidates.


I blame it all on the internets (PM - 10/2/2006 8:21:42 PM)
No, not George's speech. 

That's the hilarious conclusion of James Dobson's "Focus on the Family."


Colorado Springs, Colo. -- Focus on the Family Action Senior Vice President of Government and Public Policy Tom Minnery issued the following statement today about the scandal involving ex-Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla:

"This is not a time to be talking about politics, but about the well-being of those boys who appear to have been victimized by Rep. Foley. If he is indeed guilty of what he is accused of, it is right that he resigned and that authorities are looking into whether criminal charges are warranted.

"This is yet another sad example of our society's oversexualization, especially as it affects the Internet, and the damage it does to all who get caught in its grasp."

So be careful out there when you're rummagin' around the tubes.

I know this doesn't follow the thread, but I was taught never to color within the lines.



Foley -- Where's the Blame (Catzmaw - 10/3/2006 10:52:55 AM)
Gee, Focus on Family says it's the internet, but it looks like Foley's running with that old faithful Alcoholism, as in -- "alcohol made me lust after and actively pursue teenaged boys."  What a pig. 


Icky (Greg - 10/2/2006 8:25:12 PM)
Just saw it on NBC 4.  It was preceded by what I think was the most vile negative ad I've ever seen -- so over the top it's going to turn most people off.

Also, got another voicemail from the robo-push-poll again today, but haven't actually received a call when I'm home yet.



What was the ad? n/t (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:26:21 PM)


Webb as anti-women (Greg - 10/2/2006 9:31:21 PM)
It was the one with the over the top stuff about women at the service academies as 'sex objects' -- even back in the 1979 article, he wasn't saying that they *should* be seen that way.


That ad is really stupid and I'm embarassed for the women who made it. (Left Wing - 10/3/2006 11:01:58 AM)
It starts off with one of the women saying, Jim Webb's views were "offensive in a way that ONLY A WOMAN COULD UNDERSTAND."  Jim Webb is not a woman, so, according to them, he couldn't possibly understand how they felt.  Isn't this reason enough to give him a break!  He didn't understand how it made women feel when he wrote it.  But since then he has learned, he has changed his views and he has apologized. He does understand now... but these women NEVER tried to understand him.  They've hung on to their judgement and anger for almost 30 years.


I just got push polled (Josh - 10/2/2006 8:31:50 PM)

when it comes to abortion, do you consider yourself pro-life

do you agree wit the us efforts in iraq

tuition tax credit allows children the

the use of unborn foetus for stem research

do you trust republicans or democrats to handle your tax dollars?

do you attend church, mosque, synogogue at least once per week?

have you ever contributed to a poltical campaign or non-profit or religious group

Paid for by the family foundation of Virginia

.

that's about all I could get.  good technology.



I received the same push poll on Saturday (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 10/2/2006 8:39:45 PM)
I don't really get what the point is. I saw someone on NLS claimed to have received a push poll from the Webb campaign. Anyone also hear that claim? It's something that needs to be countered- I don't believe the person, but it is nasty to hear.


the point of all push polls (Josh - 10/2/2006 8:45:52 PM)
is to reinforce one side of an argument and force you to take sides.

Imagine this, it's the 2000 primary, you live in South Carolina, you get a call that asks:

Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain if you believed he had fathered a mixed-race child out of wedlock?

It's the same thing here:

When they ask in this poll "should unborn foetuses be used for stem cell research?" it's a question you can't say no to because it reinforces the babykiller myth.  Are you a babykiller?  well of course not.

It's just the same as if they'd asked:  "Should alzheimers patients be allowed to die in the streets even if research could find a cure."

Neither question is fair or intended to test your opinion, it's intended to force you to one side of the argument.



Mine was similar. (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:41:01 PM)
1.  Would you consider yourself pro-life? 
2.  Do you agree with the US efforts in Iraq?
3.  Do you believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman? (I'm pretty sure they reminded me that it was illegal already)
4.  Do you support stem cell research using unborn fetuses?
5.  Would you support a tax credit ?/voucher ? which would enable parents to send their children to whatever school they choose?
6.  Do you believe that faith based organizations should take part in the political process in Virginia?

1.  NO.
2.  NO.
3.  NO.
4.  YES.
5.  NO.
6.  NO!!!!!!!!



that's the one (Josh - 10/2/2006 8:47:31 PM)
I was done with it before I realized I should be taking notes.


I received as well (Doug in Mount Vernon - 10/2/2006 11:19:47 PM)
This morning I got this as I was about to leave for work.

I was happy to answer the Some Families Foundation's disgusting cadre of questions so those bigoted hate-filled but draped in a pseudo-religious cover asshats know to never call my gay liberal self again for support for their filthy agenda.



I was NOT impressed (pitin - 10/2/2006 8:32:18 PM)
I Tivo'd it and watched a few times, got nothing out of it except that George Allen believes he can win if this campaign is "focused on the issues and ideas"

While I disagree with that statement this is my response.

Senator Allen, You are a racist.  Regardless of how great your "issues and ideas" may be (and which by the way, I would vote for Webb on Issues and Ideas), they are made moot by the fact that you refuse to accept responsibility for your past actions.  A senator is given a 6-year term to act as a "trustee" for the people of this Commonwealth, and I cannot in good conscious ignore your lack of accountability for your past.

-Nate de la Piedra



Just as I suspected. (Jen Little - 10/2/2006 8:33:06 PM)
This was just as I suspected.

George Allen is a pathetic little man.

To see him standing there, with his wife, saying how we need to focus on the issues, really made me smile. 

HOWEVER, did anyone else notice there was no Major Announcement in the "Major Address"... 

It was just Allen and wife smiling.

If I could stay up late enough for Leno tonight I am certain I would enjoy it... 

Perhaps it would go something like this:
(Imagine it in Leno's Voice)

"I am sure you all have heard of George Allen the Senator from Virginia, who has stepped in much ca-ca recently. 

Well tonight Sentator Allen, decided to get the record straight, by using the Ross Perot approach, less the charts and graphs, he purchased a million bucks worth of T.V. time as the news media has not focussed on the issues Allen thinks they should. 

The news media seems to think a sitting Senator being a racist is an issue...

But the Senator made clear in his address that he loves kittens, butterflies, sunshine and lemonade, but if he thinks the voters of Virginia are going to send him back to the Senate he better start believing in unicorns..." 

It would go something like that I think. 



Right, nothing to see here... (Lowell - 10/2/2006 8:38:16 PM)
...except a soon-to-be FORMER Senator.  Move along, everybody! :)


I cracked up! (Arturo - 10/2/2006 8:34:28 PM)
What the heck was that?  And what was Mrs. Allen's role?  The whole thing was pointless and bizarre.  Mrs. Allen was in the picture for over a minute, zoom-in, she becomes invisible, zoom-out, she's visible again.  Very strange.


Maybe it was all about the Redskins helmet (Lowell - 10/2/2006 8:39:28 PM)
Hovering over everything, with the spirit of George Allen Sr. sending telepathic messages via Ouiji Board ("vote for my sonnnn, vote for my sonnnnn...").  Haha.


Could be the Opposite... (Jen Little - 10/2/2006 8:47:48 PM)
...Papa Allen could be sending messages that we should cut his son loose as he wishes he had so. 

And, just perhaps he is wondering how his dumb boy got this far.

Moving on now...

This was fun!



Saw it. (JennyE - 10/2/2006 8:43:06 PM)
As for its effectiveness, I'm too partisan to judge. But I'll say this - We can hate the info-ad or whatever that was, the bottomline is the Allen campaign is getting its message out. And unfortunately, getting more face time and negative ads on TV nowadays is all you need to win elections. The more the better.

The average voter isn't tuned in to the issues as most of us are. So the advantage tonight goes to Allen even if he moves a few votes by this stunt.

I'm hoping the Webb team also goes on the offense - you know like trying to get more face time on TV and putting up a fight on the airwaves. 



And what message would that be? n/t (Arturo - 10/2/2006 8:45:22 PM)


Allen's message? (Lowell - 10/2/2006 8:47:52 PM)
Webb bad.  Webb hate women.  Webb bad.  Webb hate women.  Webb bad.  Webb hate women.  Repeat ad infinitum and ad nauseum.  That's George Allen's version of a "positive campaign on the issues."  What a joke.


That was the commercial (Eric - 10/2/2006 8:53:15 PM)
Allen bought that played a few minutes before his "masterpiece".


I think Allen's job tonight was to reassure his base (JennyE - 10/2/2006 8:57:51 PM)
I'm sure he knows that his base is not entirely comfortable with his recent gaffes. What he did tonight was shift the focus off himself, and try to present himself once again as some kind of family values (hint: smiling wife), nice, homely guy who is under attack by "outside" forces. It is a subconscious thing to his base.

Tonights info-ad was simply a message to Allen's base i.e. telling them, "Hey, stick with me, I'm the nice guy you've known all along." Republicans, to their credit, know how to use codes to speak directly to their base. I think this was the purpose of this whole exercise tonight.

 



Absolutely Right (norman swingvoter - 10/2/2006 9:42:04 PM)
I totally agree.  Never, Never underestimate your opponent. Remember before Allen screwed up he was 10 points ahead.  Now he has dropped to even or slightly ahead. His hardcore supporters have not left but may be getting unconfortable. He is trying to bring the light support that switched from him to Webb back and relink with his base. Hopefully he will fail. 


A few Votes Vs $1/2 Million (pitin - 10/2/2006 8:47:30 PM)
Remember, Allen spent $1/2 million on that no-message ad, if all he gets is "a few votes" then he just wasted $1/2 million, and I believe that is exactly what happened.

Was anyone else watching this on Channel 4 in Virginia.  Did you notice the hit piece on Webb before the "issues" speach?  The hypocricy is killing me.



50K (hrconservative - 10/3/2006 11:26:20 AM)
It only cost around 50,000


Yeah... to produce... (Loudoun County Dem - 10/3/2006 11:31:27 AM)
Weak attempt hr...


? (hrconservative - 10/3/2006 3:25:04 PM)
Various media accounts say 50,000. What are you talking about?


It only cost $43K. (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:46:55 PM)
Well, not as huge of a waste, but still a waste.


Where did you hear that? (Lowell - 10/2/2006 8:48:41 PM)


here (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 8:53:24 PM)
WCVE


that may be for that one station (teacherken - 10/2/2006 9:00:20 PM)
the cost in CD area would be significantly higher because of the reach of the signal  - I would take what you have for your station, multiply it by 3 -- that gives the three non N Va outlets.

But DC probably costs 30-50 K per 30 second block minimum, and depending upon the programs between which it is sandwiched, it could be higher.

Total still has to be over a quarter of mill just for the two minutes, and I'd be surprised were it undern 300-350K

then there is the fact that he also ran his attack ad on channel four shortly before (although I did not see it) -  figure that adds some additional dough, so maybe the figure of half a mill included that as well?  although according to Ben T the cost of advertising a 30 second spot for 10 impressions is only a bit over half a mill.  who knows.  I think they timed it so they wouldn't have to report it in the next FEC reports due out on 10/15



I agree (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 9:05:09 PM)
that it doesn't sound right at $43,000.  That's the new topic at NLS, too.  I think you make a really good point in your analysis; it'll be interesting to see how much this actually cost Allen.  From the runored $500K to only $43K?  Hmmmmmmmm...doesn't smell right.


This can't be right. (Left Wing - 10/3/2006 11:26:17 AM)
If that's all it cost...even Webb would be able to afford it.....right?


Poor Susan! (Eric - 10/2/2006 8:47:13 PM)
She deserves some sort of award for having to stand there, with that forced smile for two minutes.  Didn't say a word - I'm not even sure if she nodded her head.  Just looked at him once or twice.  Otherwise, stand and stare at camera.  Ouch. 

The rest - trying to go by the same message being pushed by Allen's supporters on the internet: We're all about the issues.  Problem is, they aren't very strong on the issues.  So they listed the ones that sound good as TV sound bites and they hope that most viewers don't go any further into it.

It'll be interesting to see if it gets them much though - that was just a break time in between shows so I doubt many people were paying attention.  Maybe tuning in to catch their show, but paying attention?  No.



Susan cries all the way to the bank. n/t (Andrea Chamblee - 10/2/2006 9:41:36 PM)


Susan Allen.... (Left Wing - 10/3/2006 11:23:12 AM)
...like Laura Bush, made the choice to marry and stay married to their idiot husband.  No sympathy from me!


baseless??? (pvogel - 10/2/2006 8:48:11 PM)
Allen needs to be taught a lesson in humility, and when he is  tidalwaved away on Nov 7"judgement day", then he will know. If he wins, the horrible republican practices will continue onward, and even foley will have a chance  not have to pay for his crimes.....


Webb needs to fire back (sndeak - 10/2/2006 8:51:18 PM)
Webb really needs to have something out there first reminding voters that he has been out there talking issues and Felix has been ducking any serious discussion of the issues. Then challenge Felix to meet anywhere to discuss the issues.

Sadly, this 'ad' has the potential to bring a large number of R's back in line. While we may see through this charade, don't underestimate it's value in reaching out to over a million Virginians.



F- (kevinceckowski - 10/2/2006 8:53:53 PM)
Can it get any lower?
The Darkness.  Looks like a CCC meeting. Who thought of that?

The Redskin helmet, nice touch. Nicely placed in a den or something.  Nice touch the den look.

The Purple blouse of Susan, not the right color, give me a blue blouse PLEASE.  What happened to the RED WHITE AND BLUE or RED AND GOLD FOR THE REDSKINS, KEEP THE THEME GOING FELIX!!

The content, totally off, who wrote it? An after thought was a total Iraq comment.  It IS the election in November. He is in such denial about Iraq being a problem.  He had to bring it up for he has avoided it the issue for so long. The ISSUEs were NOT discussed.  Iraq, loss of jobs and National Security.  Go back to the chalkboard!

The content, his governor's record? Most of it.  He is running for SENATE.  His senate record is trashed, he did not do squat, he as much as said so, "moving at the pace of a Sea Slug."  and " I'm BORED."

F-
Too bad, the money could have fed a lot of Virginians and kept them warm this winter.  He has a million + to throw away and he did.



Allen and His Lame Two Minutes (seamusotoole - 10/2/2006 9:02:33 PM)

Got to tell you that his poor wife looks like one of those
Stepford Wives.  What the heck was the purpose of having her on there?  Was it a prop like the football helmet and picture of his Dad in the background?  Gag me with a spoon.
Problem is he's too much of a chicken hawk to debate Webb about the real issues.  After all he got slaughtered in the last two debates.  Wonder what Ann Colter would think of his victim role?  I hope Webb can get on the air and have a strong message and finish this guy off once and for all.  I hope the Foley stuff is the last nail in his coffin.  Birds of a feather flock together don't you think?
All the roosters are finally coming home to roost. Was the deal with his wife supposed to represent the good old Republican family values?  What a joke.


Highly perceptive comment sent to me (Lowell - 10/2/2006 9:05:40 PM)
"George Allen says he wants to debate the issues and then  doesn't agree to debate.  His last two debates have been such a disaster it's no wonder he doesn't want to debate Webb.  He lost those two hands down."


The Allen Positives (Teddy - 10/2/2006 9:06:40 PM)
Even if Allen picked up only a few votes with his family-values oriented (the reason Susan and her smile was there) commercial, it is advantage Allen because he is already ahead. For those voters who, not having been paying much attention to the campaign, were watching the television shows and saw his negative ad followed by his 2-minutes of solid citizen oration, wherein he made it seem that HE was not the reason we had not discussed issues--- then it came across as very good. Especially since they had nothing from Webb for comparison. Who has heard any issues from Webb in the same context? 

Such a solid, football-lovin' family white man who kept criminals in prison, taught Welfare Queens a lesson, saved you on taxes, wants an honorable victory in I-raq, and so forth. Why, what's not to like about this? Reinforces all my good feelin's about Big George.



What a waste of money. (Rob - 10/2/2006 9:07:26 PM)
Seriously, we paid all that money for a campaign ad that's too long for people to sit through if he was lucky enough for them to be tuned in at that very exact moment?  Hell, I'm very interested in this campaign, and I forgot all about it 'til now.

Plus, if he's running statewide smear ads against Webb on something he wrote 30 years ago - who's the one actually engaging in "baseless personal attacks."



Today in the Virginian-Pilot (beachydem - 10/2/2006 9:19:34 PM)
There was an endorsement in the LTTE section from a Marine Col/retired....just gushing all over Allen.  Unfortunately, I know this person...AND...long story short, shouldn't there be a "disclosure" by the V-P, that this person is also a lobbyist for a veterans group with ties to a current Republican Delegate in the Va Assembly?

I have no problems with "friends endorsing friends" as this fellow did tooting a friendship of 12 years...but, it was all political?  That is, a poltical relationship, not personal, as the letter mislead readers to believe.



Absolutely (Different Drum - 10/2/2006 9:35:28 PM)
There should absolutely be some ID of him as a lobbyist, if that is the case.  It could be the Pilot was misled as well, and may not be so pleased to find out about it. It sounds worth a letter to the editor at a minimum (though you mention you know the Col., so it could all be sticky for you), and probably a phone call to the reporter as well.  The reporter wouldn't need to use your name in any follow ups, since he/she should be able to get other soursces for the info as well.

And it appeared in the what, lifestyles section or something?  It sounds very suspicious to me, but I haven't seen the story.



Ahh, I see (Different Drum - 10/2/2006 9:42:13 PM)
It was in the letters to the editor section - Hmmm. that changes it a bit!  I'm not sure how the paper would react on something like that.  It doesn't carry the same weight as reporting, so...

If looked like there was a pattern of very smilar stuff happening, that would be news, but short of that, there's probably no reason to give it more attention than it deserves, it seems to me.



Thanks D'Drum...wanted to contact the VP but.... (beachydem - 10/2/2006 10:46:23 PM)
wasn't sure how I'd be protected from libel !?!  If it were sloppy reporting (aka the Kellam *conviction* based on Bearing Drift's blog), I would be on it... like red on a rose!  Guess I'll work on my own LTTE now :D

 



Tell the Pilot (Teddy - 10/2/2006 11:36:01 PM)
This calls for a letter to the editor pointing out the lobbyist connection, and giving your personal endorsement of Webb, ASAP, please.


The director's cut? (Different Drum - 10/2/2006 9:26:31 PM)
It was just "Pablum, The Director's Cut" to me.  Just a long version of an ad that would've been more appropriate at its normal 30-second or one minute time limit.  It wasn't like it was even very good - heck, it doesn't even qualify as one of the better ads he's put out so far.

And really, how many people actually saw that thing?



DISGUSTING. (drmontoya - 10/2/2006 9:38:48 PM)
this ad was sorry. Fucking disgusting. How DARE george allen use redskin football as a political benefit.

I am not even a redskin fan, sorry a PROUD californian unlike George Allen who works, resides, and VOTES here in Virginia.

I am 49er fan.

But what does that have anything to do with politics.

Nothing. exactly.

I respect redskin fans, and football is football.

Politics and the "debate of ideas" has nothing to do with the NFL.

Does George Allen want to run for the Senate or for NFL Commissioner?

That waste of TV air time, and his attempt to score political points makes my blood boil.

I have had it. Every ounce of my energy will be to promote Jim Webb, and ensure that George Allen never is involved in anything political again.



9/11!!!! 9/11!!!! 9/11!!! (Andrea Chamblee - 10/2/2006 9:47:58 PM)
Adoring wife (watch those gays)!  Terrorism. 9/11!

Sheesh.



George Allen is an Idiot (vote-left - 10/2/2006 10:00:47 PM)
Common sense tells me two things.

First, based upon the previous stories about George Allen's racism and association with the CCC, I can only assume that national (print) media outlets are working on additional stories that will be released in between now and the election showing that Allen is a racist and a liar.

Second, Allen's categorical denial is a form of implosion.  He leaves himself no wiggle room.  His denial will be used against him in the future to further show his lack of credibility. 

In essence, Allen has already made Virginia the laughing stock of late night comedy, and he has now cemented himself as joke.

Allen shot himself in the foot.  It seems republicans enjoy inflicting pain upon themselves.



Google news search, sort by date. (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 10:02:14 PM)
Allen's results?  Foley contributions.
Webb's results?  Allen fights for his life commercial.

The results of this commercial?  Less $$ for Allen, that changed no one's mind.



Shocking News (Newport News Dem - 10/2/2006 10:05:12 PM)
I just read some of the right wing blogs....they all loved it.

Allen won the election tonight.
Allen was strong and confident
Issues will carry Allen to a win
Allen reached more voters tonight in 2 min than Webb all year.
Allen is ahead Webb is stuck in the 40's
Allen bypassed the libreal media and hate groups and spoke directly to Virginians



HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! (phriendlyjaime - 10/2/2006 10:07:15 PM)
2 months of questions on Allen's character on all the cable and local news stations and more people saw that 2 minute ad?

The kool aid has been brewed extra strong for October, I see.



Yes, cement the base. (Teddy - 10/2/2006 11:38:06 PM)
Precisely


Was That Really George Allen on TV Tonight? (PM - 10/2/2006 10:05:34 PM)
Maybe we was using a double, like a certain Korean dictator.

http://www.telegraph...

He does think the Senate is boring.

BTW, Condi has been nailed lying.  Just a few minutes ago, by the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.c...

October 3, 2006
C.I.A. Chief Warned Rice on Al Qaeda
By PHILIP SHENON and MARK MAZZETTI
JIDDA, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 2 — A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday.

The account by the spokesman, Sean McCormack, came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” to suggest she had ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks.



Here's a fuller AP Account (PM - 10/2/2006 10:14:15 PM)
Apparently, this race is of sufficient interest that a British paper is carrying it. http://www.guardian....

Allen does not come off well in this story at all.

Virginia's Allen Airs 2-Minute Ad

Tuesday October 3, 2006 2:16 AM

By BOB LEWIS

Associated Press Writer

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Sen. George Allen attempted to steer his campaign away from accusations of racial insensitivity Monday night with a two-minute, statewide television ad touting the need to focus on ``the real issues,'' such as support for U.S. troops in Iraq.

The embattled Republican bought air time in every television market just before prime time in an effort to save his political career since accusations he used ethnic slurs sent his re-election campaign into a tailspin six weeks ago.

The ad opens with Allen noting the campaign's disastrous recent drift away from ``the real issues you care about'' and acknowledged that ``some of this I've brought on myself.''

``But the negative personal attacks and baseless allegations have also pulled us away from what you expect and deserve,'' he said.

With his wife, Susan, at his side and a Washington Redskins helmet and a portrait of his late namesake father and football coach behind them, Allen recounted signature events of his term as governor - parole abolition, more stringent academic testing for Virginia students and welfare reform.

Later, he buttressed President Bush's intent to keep U.S. troops indefinitely in Iraq until that country's fledgling government can stanch sectarian bloodshed that threatens to plunge it into civil war.

``I want our troops to come home as soon as possible. And I want them to come home in victory, not defeat,'' he said.

Strategists for the former governor decided to take the dramatic step Saturday, a day after a statewide poll showed Allen and Democrat Jim Webb deadlocked at 43 percent each. As late as July, Webb trailed Allen by 16 percentage points.

On Aug. 11, he called a man of Indian descent ``macaca,'' a comment some consider an ethnic slur. He also was accused by former fellow football players at the University of Virginia of having used a common racial epithet against black people.

Allen paid about $50,000 [sic?]to simulcast the ad once just before 8 p.m. Allen wanted to do the ad live, but the costs and logistical arrangements would have been prohibitive, campaign advisers said. It was taped over the weekend.

Also on Monday, Webb began his biggest ad purchase yet, spending $650,000 a week to air a 30-second spot statewide that features two retired military women rebutting an ad Allen aired last week, said Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd.

Allen's ads featured female U.S. Naval Academy graduates who said they suffered hostility and humiliation at Annapolis because of a 1979 magazine article Webb wrote that said women could not lead men in combat and decrying their admission to the academy.



Anytime--Anywhere! (buzzbolt - 10/2/2006 10:39:44 PM)
How about this?

"Senator Allen, I will debate you publically anytime, anywhere,--three, four or five times a week.  Bring your issues, I'll bring mine--how about today?"

Camel Six's Boy



Silliness (Barbara - 10/2/2006 10:48:07 PM)
I'm not sure which was funnier, the coach over his shoulder, or his adoring wife hanging on his arm?  I wonder how much he--or his wife for that matter--would understand the sacrifice families make if his own son were in Iraq?  Wanna talk issues?  Can't wait till the debate on Monday. 

I'll give him this:  at last he has let people know who is really is--an arrogant, hypocritical, racist opportunist who has not done anything for the people in Virginia in the last 6 years. 



Traditional Media Analysis (pitin - 10/2/2006 10:59:29 PM)
Traditional Media Analysis has started to roll in.

Here is the Washington Post...Allen Seeks to Refocus Campaign With Long Ad
Senator Urges Shift From Character Issues to Political Ones

Too tired to read and digest the whole thing, but doesn't seem to positive from an initial glance.



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anybody catch the racial code words? (msnook - 10/2/2006 11:14:23 PM)
When your audience is primed for race -- like after mentioning "welfare queens" or "urban" gangs, or while responding to a weeks-long story about your past racism through an extraordinary two-minute, state-wide ad buy, during which every word you utter is heard and interpretted through the lens of racial tensions -- saying you're proud of Virginia's "heritage" is straight out of the southern strategy.


Why do pols like Allen use their wives as a prop? (RayH - 10/2/2006 11:31:13 PM)

I kept waiting for her to deliver the punchline of the joke.


Was There a Point to This? (NukeTeacher - 10/2/2006 11:44:29 PM)
The message here is "I'm a nice loveable guy, with a good looking wife (and a Redskins coach's son to boot), and this campaign needs to be about the issues."  Contrast with moments earlier, "I approve of this [rediculous vicious non-issue attack on Webb] message."  I am struck by the hypocrisy, and I think any thinking person will see it.


His wife looked like a hostage. (DameDem - 10/2/2006 11:46:19 PM)
Was there a point?


Was there a point to this? (vote-left - 10/2/2006 11:49:24 PM)
Uhm, a hail mary pass?


I haven't even watched it (Matt in VA - 10/3/2006 12:02:07 AM)
but I'm willing to bet he wants to change the subject, probably characterizing all the stories as 'partisan attacks' and trying to make himself look worn and sympathetic, but strong and resilient at the same time.


waste of time. (Matt in VA - 10/3/2006 12:10:34 AM)


oh, and (Matt in VA - 10/3/2006 12:12:04 AM)

DESPERATE



COMMENT HIDDEN (Neen56 - 10/3/2006 1:20:39 AM)


Trolls better be very concerned about Mr. Allen: (vote-left - 10/3/2006 3:48:04 AM)
Tonight on ABC, investigative journalist Brian Ross suggested there may be other members of Congress who engaged in inappropriate behavior towards congressional pages:

  BRIAN ROSS: So far, Foley is the only member whose overt sexual approaches have been documented. Charlie?

  CHARLES GIBSON: The only one to be documented, but are there other shoes to drop?

  ROSS: We’re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They’re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members.

http://thinkprogress...



You created this account early Tuesday morning (Lowell - 10/3/2006 5:16:30 AM)
(Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 00:34:55 AM EDT).

What normal person would do that?  Obviously, you're an Allen staffer.



Also, you're about the only person (Lowell - 10/3/2006 5:17:13 AM)
Who thought this ad was anything better than drivel.


Your thoughts on Allen's 2-minute waste of money? (libra - 10/3/2006 3:48:58 AM)
Well... For a change, it was not a negative ad; the few swipes he took ("baseless accusations") were barely noticeable and easy to miss, since he never stopped talking and nobody coached him on how to deliver emphasis on more important points (I guess his Hollywood career has died in infancy ). It might as well have ben produced by Softer Voices :)

I also missed what everyone but me has noticed -- the pictorial references to his illustrious father. But then I wasn't born and bred in VA and I never cared much about football (or whatever it was that his father coached).

Allen claims to have actively worked to open VA to newcomers (as in: business investments)... I wonder how many others like me missed the football reference. Foreigners are more likely to be attuned to soccer than football (though we *call* it football ) And newcomers from other states are less likely to be impressed by Allen senior (their favorite teams might have gotten creamed by whichever team it was he coached)

What really *creeped me out* was his delivery... almost no change in pitch or facial expression throughout the 2 minutes. Straight from the Tales of Hoffman -- one almost wanted him to turn around and show us the winding key. And Susan was -- if anything -- worse. You could -- almost -- *time* her on when she'd turn to him with the adoring look and when she'd turn back to the screen with the fixed smile. The only interesting bit was when she couldn't sustain the smile for the entire 2 minutes and the camera, accidentally, caught her in repose, by moving too fast from him to her.

Made me wonder whether there was any truth to the rumors (apparently rife in the Charlottesville area)that he used to abuse his first wife and that he's probably abusing the current one. All in all, I'm glad Lowell gave us an opportunity to see the add but I would not want to see it again. And I doubt it's swayed any independents towards him. Nor reassured his base much.

On the not-quite-push-poll.

Got my call this morning -- early enough to tick me off, but not so early that I was unable to gather my thoughts. I answered the first question: Are you a registered voter in VA (yes)?  Heard the second: Are you pro-life or pro-choice? Laid the receiver down next to the phone and I can - almost -- swear that I heard the tape asking more questions, despite my not answering them. But that's "almost"; when I woke up again, half an hour later, the phone was silent. So I replaced the receiver. And I hope their phone bill is large and that they lost some opportunities to connect to others who might have been enjoying a cozy spell under a down quilt.

My good deed for the day :)



You Knew It Was Too Good To Be True (BlancheDubois - 10/3/2006 6:21:28 AM)
Dateline Tunisia-Tunisian researchers have just released their latest findings on the popular cosmetic drug Botox.  Once believed to be harmless to women, the drug is now reported to have two dangerous side effects.  It appears that prolonged use may cause results identical to those of a prefrontal lobotomy and sufferers may also begin to take on the appearance of Maria Shriver.  Researchers gave credit to George Allen for his generous donation of the two minute film which demonstrates these tragic and permanent effects.


When they bring out the wife (demnan - 10/3/2006 8:06:51 AM)
They usually know they're in trouble.  I'm surprised he didn't have a few black children around to kiss on the head!  Also when was Allen ever concerned about the war in Iraq?  You got it, when he saw the latest polls.


Apologize, Senator! (Arturo - 10/3/2006 8:18:57 AM)
Sen. Allen offended many soccer parents with his Redskins prop.  What about all those DC United fans in the NoVA???


Best summation I saw... (thaddaeus toad - 10/3/2006 8:28:22 AM)
From the comments at NLS:
  "Allen talked about how great he is, and how he wants the campaign to return to a discussion of how great he is."
Yeah that pretty much sums up the vapid waste of time that was Allen's $.5 million commercial/address. 

Speaking of dresses, how about that futia(sp?) monstrosity Susan was wearing.  And notice how "life-like" she was.  Someone needs to lay off the vikedin.



Your spelling is atrocious. (phriendlyjaime - 10/3/2006 8:32:27 AM)
:)


Washington Post said it best... (Hugo Estrada - 10/3/2006 9:15:16 AM)
Hey, Virginia! Let's not focus on my character: let's focus on issues instead :P

Well, if he insists on focusing on issues, maybe he can explain why "his" energy plan was stolen from a Democrat.



What Is, Shall Be, What's Shall, Will Be, Let's Call the Whole Thing Off!! (Catzmaw - 10/3/2006 11:56:27 AM)
Hey George, let's talk about the Brain Injury Issue and how you stole someone else's legislation and put your name on it and passed off as your own after changing "will" to "shall".  That's some editing job!


Was there a point to this? (kestrel9000 - 10/3/2006 10:05:01 AM)
I dunno. Aske me after Olbermann tonight.
"Baseless accusations." With a straight face.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.


Ask George to Define Victory (Catzmaw - 10/3/2006 11:52:04 AM)
I didn't see the commercial last night, but just watched it on Youtube.  Apparently I missed that overplayed Naval Academy Women Who Can't Get Over Something That Happened 27 Years Ago Which Was Actually the Fault of Their Boorish Classmates and Not Sanctioned by Someone Who Happened to Write an Article Opposing Women in Combat commercial being played yet again ... Allen guys, you have a huge budget, can you please run something other than all this female trauma?  I'm a woman and they're beginning to embarrass me with their endless whining.  Bad, sexist things happened to me in the 70s, too.  I got over it.

Allen wants us out of Iraq as soon as possible, but only after we have achieved "victory".  I'd like to know how he's defining victory.  Is it at all costs?  Is it when all the insurgents decide to go home and lay down their arms even though foreign invaders will still be occupying their land (makes the insurgents sound like a bunch of sunshine patriots, doesn't it)?  Is there a time limit on when we're supposed to achieve this victory or will we keep throwing our young men and women into the occupation ad infinitum?  Do we keep sending our military people who've already served two, three, four tours over there until they've served seven, eight, or nine tours?  Do we finally admit that we've broken our armed forces with this ceaseless demand upon them and institute a draft?  George has sons.  Is he planning to encourage them to enlist and go over there like Jim Webb's kid did?  The Webb campaign needs to seize upon and attack this point.  And remember, Allen is against us talking to any of the other countries in that region.  He'd rather just keep fighting instead of seeking a diplomatic solution.  Even during Vietnam we talked to the North Vietnamese.

Last night I was out with a friend who told me how troubled she is about Iraq, but also said that she was worried about voting for Webb because he's "against women".  In other words, the whinemercial has been working with people like my white, educated, middle aged, somewhat conservative friend.  I told her the facts behind the article (which have NOT been emphasized enough by the Webb campaign), and also noted his record as Navy Secretary.  It's really, really important that the Webb campaign continue to hit this issue hard.  The current Webb commercial is okay, but it doesn't refute the assertion that he called the Naval Academy women "promiscuous" and made life hell, etc.  Why isn't anyone showing what the article REALLY said and can't you find a Naval Academy woman or two who can talk about Jim Webb's positive work for women? 

As for the commercial itself:  the scenery so carefully staged it made me ill.  And Mrs. Allen looked very uncomfortable and somewhat plastic.  Allen should ask for his money back.