Interesting:

  Ads in WV with Reagan... (0 / 0)
endorsing John Raese.  Ads from 1984 election.  Creepy and weird.  Where is Nancy on this issue?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

by murrayewv on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 07:00:35 PM PDT

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Ads in WV with Reagan... by murrayewv, Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 07:00:35 PM PDT (0 / 0)
  Ah, lets see. (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by: murrayewv, MadGeorgiaDem, Loudoun County Dem
It's OK if Republicans use Reagans image and words, per the link to the Daily Press, many Republicans are really pissed about it, what's the problem with Webb doing the same?
Oh, that's right, Jim Webb is a Democrat.

by indy2dem on Fri Sep 08, 2006 at 07:12:49 PM PDT

something to look into, along with others.

I was going to bring up a similar point on the last post but you beat me to it.  Curses.

From the Allen supporters there is an awful lot of complaining (or celebrating in some cases) because of the use of Reagan in Webb's ad.  But what do you Allen supporters have to say about the man appearing in Allen's ads?

Is it ok to use his image because they're both Republicans?  Are you outraged?  Do you think when Allen brings up Reagan he's going to lose?

Is Nancy upset?  Maybe - at least she says so publicly.  But then why at Webb and not Allen?  If she really doesn't want Reagan's legacy to be used for political gain then she needs to come out against every politician, no matter what party or office, who uses his likeness.  If she's being selective then she's playing politics.  And then her opinion is just another partisan view and should carry no special weight.

I agree that many Democrats will have serious reservations about this ad because they're not Reagan fans.  That argument against the ad makes sense. 

But lets dispense with the nonsense that Webb can't or shouldn't show clips of Reagan praising him - especially if Allen is going to use Reagan.  Either Reagan is fair game for both candidates or neither.

she said so publicly?

More 'do as I say, not as I do' from the Allen campaign.....

will not change anything.  They will continue to use this picture.  They have cojones.  And so should Democrats.

... will not bust my cojones....

I'm quoting from memory, so not exact:

"This ad will make George Allen's head explode"

Did I get that right Kathy? I think it has and every rabid follower of his who posts here and on NLS.

He even looks like a bum in that picture.

NBC affiliate, which alternates as the Fox channel (which is really weird, but it's our Roanoke). The very short piece focused mainly on "Nancy Reagan orders..." to remove the ad. I see why Webb said he was jumped by the media here. Not that that is unexpected and he sounded fine in the segment.

You'd have to ask Nancy, not us :)

Is there any way that *both* -- the Webb video and Allen's photo with quotes can be got to Ms Reagan to *see*? Because it's evident (at least from the MNSBC snippet) that she hasn't seen Webb's use of Reagan's name, image, etc and, probably has not seen Allen's, either; her opinion of the whole fracas seems to be based on second-hand info, supplied by the Allen camp.

As far as I can see, Allen's "offence" is worse -- he uses a run-of-the-mill snapshot and quotes which have nothing to do with him personally -- just "general Reagan quotes". He is, therefore, counting on a whole lot of inference/transference from the viewer ("Reagan thought this, and so do I"). In Webb's clip, OTOH, Webb is *praised* by RR, and both his name and function are mentioned.

Even if clips of Reagan's speeches aren't public property (public property issue being something that has popped up on the previous "thread"), they might very well be *Webb's own* clips of treasured moments (hey, how many people get publicly praised by a sitting President?) and, as such, he'd probably have a right to publish them at will. That avenue (legality) needs to be explored, I think. Too bad it has to be done over the weekend :)

My personal opinion would be that the campaign ought to try and run the thing; *as an opening salvo* it is, indeed, very good (if for no other reason than that it'll get talked about and get Webb more name recognition). And I'd keep the closing line ("...scholar,leader" whatever; can't remember the exact wording, but it was *very* convincing) for further use.

But I'd pull the Reagan ad within a week or so, if you do decide to run it. As many have said before me, it's gonna rile a lot of people, who may still go to the polls and vote for Webb, but will do it grumblingly and, sure-as-sure, will *not* put any money in his kitty.

I myself was not particularly interested in politics at the time of Reagan's presidency (before I got my citizenship, so didn't have to vote) and my child was to small at the time to make me really livid, but... We have a lot of kids in my area (Lexington/Rockbridge county) who depended on school lunches as their one solid meal of the day (education I *was* interested in even before I got my citizenship ), and his "dictum" that ketchup is an acceptable vegetable really got my dander up... And that's how I remember him; without any warmth at all.

PS On my way to the W&L film club's screening tonight, I saw the first lawn sign of the '06 campaign cycle. And it was a *Webb* one :) Let's hope it's an omen...

of Reagan's mention of Webb, it's simply his bio, with no biased praise. So Nancy shouldn't be too upset of a video of Ronnie simply telling the Middies about a decorated comrade ;)

Who supports stem cell research?

Jim Webb isn't required to get anyone's permission to use the public statements of a public servant. Period. The proposition that he should is evidence again of the condescending, high-brow, class snobbery that marks the Allen campaign, and the Republican party in general.  Reagan served all America, not just a privileged few. Webb doesn't owe anybody tribute on this. Fuck off.

taught me how to tell you to fuck off.

Are you against the Navy too? Or just have a double standard about everything?

Piss up a rope. And while you are at it, tell us all your experiences personally defending your country. No? You didn't? Another Yellow Elephant chickenhawk.

"tacit endorsement without permission"

It is no such thing.  Therein lies the failing or your argument....

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George Allen's dad paid good money for that hand shake.

The Webb campaign should pull the ad. For the ad to become a sideshow event with Nancy Reagan caught in the crosshairs diminishes the message Webb is trying to convey. Not a smart move in my opinion.
Webb has a stellar biography and certainly can do without the Reagan praise. Another thing is conveying respect for Mrs. Reagan. Forget about the Allen campaign angle. Let's respect Mrs. Reagan's wishes. My husband shares the same thoughts.

Just do the right thing and get in another great Webb ad.

Blogger Gilliard has more:

http://stevegilliard...
 

Bring her on. 

Pulling the ad would be giving in to the Allen campaign and allowing them to run the Webb campaign.  No, no, no!  Let's show them that Democrats have cojones too!!

I could care less what the Allen campaign thinks. My point was to give Nancy Reagan the benefit of the doubt and respect her wishes.

It's the Webb campaign's decision. As I said, if they choose to run it, I'll stand by them 100%. This doesn't diminish the campaign in my eyes.

Nancy Reagan is the one putting bias into the campaigns.

Just how I see it.  She/they cannot pick and choose who gets to use what footage of a public figure in ads/campaigns/press.

Reality is Webb worked in the Reagan administration for 4 years...it would be like taking out a major chunk of your resume while going on a job hunt because the CEO's wife doesn't like you!

Come on, completely unfair.