At Least Pat Buchanan is Honest

By: Lowell
Published On: 8/24/2006 10:48:26 AM

Pat Buchanan says what many right-wingers privately think but are afraid to say out loud:

If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived.

We need to control immigration to maintain a white majority in the United States?  This is blatant racism AND also ridiculously misguided.  Hey Pat, need I remind you that OUR nation underwent a huge demographic transformation and survived when waves of Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews and others came here!).  Unfortunately, it gets worse:

The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted by a different people.

Bunch of "macacas," eh Pat?  Sounds like you and George Allen would get along just great!

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not necessarily represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



he's donated (kevinceckowski - 8/24/2006 11:02:29 AM)
in the past to Allen.

Saw this story yesterday and looked up how much money he has given to Allen and the Republicans.

The story  made me sick.



An interesting side point- why has America been so successful (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 8/24/2006 11:18:14 AM)
Immigrants, regardless of skin color, are risk takers and tend to be more creative. Here's a somewhat interesting book from an author who spoke recently at the NCTC gala in Roanoke:

http://www.amazon.co...

The health of an immigrant based nation cannot be measured by skin color or the culture of the immigrants. Pat Buchanan has always been an assclown on this subject, but at least he is above board about his racism.



According to Buchanan (Lowell - 8/24/2006 11:22:38 AM)
Buchanan goes on to praise those who, implicitly or explicitly, talk about the genetic superiority of the white race, including John Rocker of the Atlanta Braves, Bell Curve authors Richard Hernstein and Charles Murray, and Al Campanis of the Los Angeles Dodgers. (Campanis said that blacks “may not have the necessities to be, let’s say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager.” He added that blacks were often poor swimmers “because they don’t have the buoyancy.”)

Is this guy for real or what?!?  Will George Allen disown him, or return the $250 Buchanan gave him on 5/31/05?  Maybe yet ANOTHER apology?  We're waiting...



well (loboforestal - 8/24/2006 11:39:33 AM)
"Immigrants, regardless of skin color, are risk takers and tend to be more creative."

I'm not sure there's a lot of hard evidence for this.  Native born Americans are creative and are risk takers, too.



Yes, I agree with this (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 8/24/2006 12:52:03 PM)
The point was that this book talks about the health and wealth of the country because of immigration. It does not associate that with any skin color group (as Buchanan does). But there are parts of it that smack of Buchanans argument.

As to the immigrant vs. native american argument, that would be a hard one to comment on: 1) the Native American population was so decimated, how could you even measure it? 2) There is a lot of scientific studies he cites in the book, but I'm not a scientist and couldn't tell you how valid they are other than being in peer reviewed journals, 3) his hypothesis does not give a mechanism or account for African American inventors and innovators- folks like Carter, et al.



Pat is on the wrong track (Rebecca - 8/24/2006 11:29:35 AM)
Americans won't disappear they will just have a darker skin color. People come here because they like our constitution and the opportunities it guarantees (used to guarantee).

Poor old Pat, one of the angry white men.

I agree, immigrants re-invigorate the culture. We wouldn't want to become soft and self-indulgant by not letting in the real scrappy people to keep up the character of our nation.



An added bonus (Eric - 8/24/2006 11:34:30 AM)
well, it's a bonus if you're a Buchanan type, is that this puts pressure on (white) women to get back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.  After all, the borders aren't going to be closed down so the only way to keep the whitey's in the majority is to make more babies.

...Rolling Eyes...

This guy is a real piece of work.  Sounds like he would have fit in nicely in a certain European nation about 70 years ago.



Ad Hominem Attack ? (loboforestal - 8/24/2006 11:35:26 AM)
A tighter immigration policy is supported broadly by the American public.  Just because some nut supports an extreme version of it for the wrong reasons does not make it wrong.  One could easily cite the "reconquista" politios who want to kick the white people out of California to further anger people.  Racial doom politicing is as old as the Neanderthals. It doesn't mean that we don't need to  implement a sensible naturalization policy.

I think this "race baiting" on many sides has gone too far.

Buchanan's analysis is wrong. "Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation".  Wrong.  Americans of 100% European descent might become a "minority" but Americans with some European blood in them will long be the majority: right now it's about 90%.

Buchanan is professional loudmouth and paying him too much attention just makes him rich.



Um, I know I am in the minority here (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 11:41:59 AM)
But I do not hate Buchanan.  I really don't.  I DID, but then I started watching the McLaughlin group, and I realized that although I do definitely disagree with him on a myriad of issues, I appreciate that he is one of the last true conservatives in American politics.  He has been against this war from the very beginning, and he cannot stand the march of the neo-cons.  I have seen him go after Bush on numerous occasions, especially immediately after Katrina and OF COURSE the Harriet Myers nom.  So I don't know if I neccessarily agree that he would get along great with Allen.  I think he actually disagrees with Allen quite a bit, but c'mon-the man isn't going to donate to Dems.  Actually, it would really surprise me if Buchanan did not come out for Webb publicly down the line.  We were away this past weekend, and we missed the show; I wonder if they talked about Macaca.  Anyway, point is, I have a feeling they (Patty Patty Buch Buch and Webb) are much closer to agreement on issus than he and Allen are. 

Now as far as his stance on immigration, I think we can all agree with the fact that illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with, and quickly.  I personally wish to hold all of the corporations responsible to the fullest extent, which would force our wages to rise, and their employees personal bank accounts to level out.  I do not agree that this needs to be an "all-white or as close to it" nation, but I am not as convinced of Buchanan's racism as I am of Allen's.



I guess I should duck. n/t (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 11:42:59 AM)


OK, they didn't talk about it. (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 11:45:23 AM)
Wonder why, and hope they do this week.


And of course (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 11:48:39 AM)
I definitely disagreed with this.


Duck..... (Doug in Mount Vernon - 8/24/2006 1:55:34 PM)
Jaime,

You have got to be kidding.  Not convinced of Buchanan's racism?  He has more history of racism than Allen!

He is arguing that other RACES are GENETICALLY INFERIOR in this passage!

That's not just racism, hon, but that's FACIST.



He's also made a career of defending Nazi (Lowell - 8/24/2006 2:00:43 PM)
war criminals.  If Pat Buchanan doesn't have fascistic tendencies, who does?


Well (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 2:04:46 PM)
maybe I am just enamored with the fact that a popular con for the cons is against the war and in many ways against Bush.  Again ,I would never vote for the guy for anything, and I don't love him, I just don't detest him as much as I detest others.


Who? (loboforestal - 8/24/2006 2:17:00 PM)
What Nazi war criminal did Buchanan defend?


From Wikipedia (Lowell - 8/24/2006 2:31:55 PM)
Accusations of anti-Semitism

In a 1977 column, Buchanan wrote,

  "'Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

Defenders of this statement say it was written in the context of a review of a popular biography of Hitler, and that Buchanan has condemned anti-Semitism and praised Yitzhak Rabin just as strongly as he has condemned some Jewish leaders.(12) (13)

As an advisor to the Reagan Administration, Buchanan urged the President to visit a German military cemetery at Bitburg, in which were buried 48 members of the SS, over the objections of Jewish groups. Buchanan was credited with crafting Reagan's statement: "These were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery where those young men are victims of Nazism also, even though they were fighting in the German uniform, drafted into service to carry out the hateful wishes of the Nazis. They were victims, just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." Buchanan says they were Reagan's extemporaneous remarks in response to a question.

Buchanan vocally asserted the innocence of some who were accused of Nazi-era war crimes, most famously a retired Cleveland autoworker, Ukrainian born Ivan Demjanjuk, comparing his trial to the Salem witch trials. Demjanjuk was convicted by an Israeli court, but his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court of Israel on the grounds of mistaken identity.

In a 1990 New York Post column defending Demjanjuk, Buchanan claimed a diesel engine could "not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." When asked for his source, Buchanan cited an article about children surviving the fumes of idling diesel engines while trapped in a tunnel. Some critics claimed the article could have come from the Newsletter of the German American Information and Education Association, a publication accused of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial [1].

In his own defense against charges of Nazi sympathies, Buchanan has pointed out that the Holocaust did not become a Final Solution until the Wannsee conference in 1942 when the Pearl Harbor attack had already ended any debate there was about U.S. involvement in World War II, and that the Holocaust was no more of a concern for the leaders who supported intervention than it was for the isolationists[2]. He has also accused neoconservatives of instantly labeling anyone critical of Israel's actions and America's pro-Israel policies an anti-Semite[3].



Writing Nixon speeches was bad enough. (loboforestal - 8/24/2006 2:55:20 PM)
Hey, I just remember the Demanjuk thing which Buchanan turned out to be mostly right on: there wasn't enough evidence.


Oh, I didn't say he wasn't racist. (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 2:02:41 PM)
I just think that he is more careful about his admissions to racism, unlike our dear Senator.

I also like that unlike many cons, Patty B is against the neo-con fascist regime, and he has come out strongly against the war.

He also calls Bush to the carpet for many things.



history? (loboforestal - 8/24/2006 2:09:40 PM)
Buchanan did run for President with a black running mate.


I know. n/t (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 2:26:29 PM)


Her name is Ezola B. Foster (Lowell - 8/24/2006 2:34:14 PM)
Read about her right here.

In the 1980s, she became an outspoken opponent of pornography, sex education, AIDS education and gay rights and founded "Black Americans for Family Values." She was arrested in 1987 with several other women while disrupting the state Republican convention to protest its recognition of the Log Cabin Club, an organization of gay Republicans. In 1992, she was a staunch defender of the police officers in the Rodney King beating case and organized a testimonial dinner for Laurence Powell, one of the convicted officers, in 1995.


Who Didn't Like Him (Doug in Mount Vernon - 8/24/2006 2:44:19 PM)
If you recall, they disagreed vehemently a few times on the campaign trail, especially on racially-related issues.

She was/is not an isolationist like Buchanan, if I recall.  But she WAS/IS very "America-first" like B.



Ezola-whacko (Doug in Mount Vernon - 8/24/2006 2:48:58 PM)
Hmmmm, after reading the Wikipedia entry.....ick!!  What a whack-job!  Didn't say anything about them disagreeing so I'm not sure why I remembered that....


Yeah, seems like (phriendlyjaime - 8/24/2006 3:06:09 PM)
Condi followed right in her footsteps.

well, fine-but I still detest Tony Blankley on McLaughlin Group more than Patty Patty Buch Buch.



I love Pat Buchannon... (tokatakiya - 8/24/2006 12:04:04 PM)
...always saying what other people are too sensible to think.

Seriously, he's bat-$#!# insane.



The other Republican argument (Rebecca - 8/24/2006 12:10:17 PM)
Also, what they don't say is that these immigrants tend to vote Democratic and they make a lot of babies. That's a REAL threat to the Repubs.


One word: Melungeon. (Bubby - 8/24/2006 12:11:25 PM)
Hell, half the hill people are already interbred with the Melungeons.  Some will say "Black Irish", some will say "Cherokee", I say tough-as-nails.


Back off Bubby (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 8/24/2006 12:55:37 PM)
That's my kin folks yer talkin about there.


REAL Mountain Folks don't hyphenate (djjworker - 8/24/2006 1:33:20 PM)
You may live in Blacksburg, Doug-Garnett-Deakin, but my relatives in SWVA do not hyphenate their names. They also tend not to mock the vernacular by typing with an accent.


oh back off (Doug Garnett-Deakin - 8/24/2006 2:12:03 PM)
I was joking with Bubby, not you. I had thought people wouldn't get his talk about melugeons, as most don't, and my family has that history.

And I'll tell you, I'm sick of people not thinking we can be progressive around here. I had to pay $2 extra for my marriage license in Christiansburg to have my name hyphenated back in 1993. OMG! He hyphenated with his wife's last name!?! He must be from fake Virginia.

No, my wife happens to be a doctor and we are not stuck following tradition down here. And, oh lord, I was actually born in Washington DC, so you must be right. But my family is from SWVA, Northern VA, Charlottesville, Missouri and probably France or something.



Do you mean... (Ingrid - 8/24/2006 1:35:30 PM)
... most people will sorta look like me?  Oh my!


Only the good looking ones! (RayH - 8/24/2006 5:40:17 PM)


Holy Nativism Batman! (Doug in Mount Vernon - 8/24/2006 1:52:31 PM)
This one just bowles me over.  The ignorance is startling.

I wonder if he includes those freedom-loving Cubans in Miami, with their "genetic endowments", as part of the people incapable of "successfully transmitting" our civlization?  Seems they might object to this characterization?

We are back to ignorant F**KS like Buchanan arguing the genetic inferiority of non-Caucasians.

Simply startling and unfathomable.

Please, please, please, Pat, throw a big fundrasier for George!  Pretty please?



This pisses me off (TurnVirginiaBlue - 8/24/2006 2:32:44 PM)
Now that Pat has come out with his real focus, he has completely pissed me off for it undermines bringing to light the real agenda, which is cheap, cheap, cheap labor that businesses can exploit.

It's pretty obvious by now the real goal of multinational corporations is to wipe out the US middle class, bring our standard of living in line with the 3rd world, erode further any worker organizations, unions, workers rights and employment law (environmental too while I'm at it).

Now Nazi Pat comes out and claims it's all about preserving the white majority.

Get fucked Pat, you idiot!  I'm wondering if multinational corporations told him to write this book so they can hide their cheap labor agenda behind the race card and point to Nazi Pat as the white supremacist cheerleader.

It's also blows any credibility Nazi Pat had with his credible commentary on free trade, budget deficits and all of the other tools destroying the US through economic means.

Finally, he's out of his fucking mind.  Corporations don't care what color your skin is, they will exploit yellow people (look at manufacturing), brown people (big Pharma in Africa) just as much as they will exploit white people.

If he thinks that immigrants don't help the nation, think again, the number one economically powerful group in the US is Indian-Americans, those of India origin...now why?

Hello, education, education, education, just like every other successful immigrant group in the US historical past who made the US their home and integrated into US society.

Why are there so many Indian Americans activists now?  Because the tool to upward mobility, education, is now the target of labor arbitrage and education itself is being offshore outsourced to the cheapest PPP (purchase power parity).  Currently corporations are training teachers in Indonesia, training and recruiting (preferred) nurses, paying for university education in China, India and so forth.