"Webb Wins First Debate Against Allen" - UPDATED

By: Lowell
Published On: 7/22/2006 8:28:37 PM

July 22, 2006
Webb Wins First Debate Against Allen

(Hot Springs, VA)+óGé¼GÇ¥Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Jim Webb today proved without a doubt that he deserves to replace George Felix Allen and represent Virginia in the U.S. Senate. Jim Webb and George Allen faced each other in their first debate this morning in Hot Springs, VA.

"Today+óGé¼Gäós debate only confirms that George Allen is not only bored representing everyday Virginians but he is tremendously out of touch with the issues they care about," said Webb spokesperson Kristian Denny Todd. "Jim Webb has proven he has the leadership, experience and background to effectively lead Virginia into a new era of government effectiveness and accountability."

Jim Webb and George Allen faced off in an a hour and a half long debate sponsored by the Virginia Bar Association at The Homestead in Bath County, VA.

"Today, we re-issue our challenge to George Allen to debate once a month until November," said Denny Todd. "We have many issues we want to discuss that are important to this country and to Virginia.

Today+óGé¼Gäós debate will be posted in its entirety on www.webbforsenate.com later this weekend.

[UPDATE:  The Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star says "no clear winner in Senate debate."  The Washington Post's Robert Barnes says that Webb proved he could "stay on the same stage with Virginia's genial conservative," but did not succeed in "putting the incumbent on the defensive, scoring headlines and promising a furious fight to come."  The Charlottesville Daily Progress quotes Virginia Tech political analyst Robert Denton said Webb "did relatively well for a newcomer...didn+óGé¼Gäót get defensive...kept his cool."  And State Sen. Creigh Deeds (D-Bath) was quoted in the same paper as saying Webb "was daggone impressive,+óGé¼-¥ especially for someone who "is not a politician."  Finally, our old friend Jerry Kilgore opines that this debate "gave us no reason to throw out the senator and elect a new senator.+óGé¼-¥  Of course, wasn't Jerry Kilgore the same guy who said that he trusted the people to make the right choice for governor last year?  Hmmm...]

P.S.  Thanks to C.W. for the photo.

Lowell Feld is Netroots Coordinator for the Jim Webb for US Senate Campaign.  The ideas expressed here belong to Lowell Feld alone, and do not necessarily represent those of Jim Webb, his advisors, staff, or supporters.


Comments



It's 'Virginia Values' vs. 'Fresh Eyes' (mkfox - 7/23/2006 2:21:47 AM)
Here's the WaPo's coverage
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/22/AR2006072200842.html


ROFL (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 7:21:18 AM)
The Webb campaign says Webb won the debate.  What a shocker!


That doesn't mean they're wrong. (Lowell - 7/23/2006 7:25:27 AM)


COMMENT HIDDEN (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 7:46:49 AM)


So far, what I've seen is a mix (Lowell - 7/23/2006 8:35:20 AM)
with most analysts calling it a draw or not calling it at all.  Personally, I await release of the video so the voters of Virginia can decide for themselves.  I think they will be very impressed with Webb, and not particularly impressed with Allen.


I think the guy who pretends he knows Latin (PM - 7/23/2006 12:02:41 PM)
is confusing onstage demeanor with content.  George Allen is smooth.  But there's nothing inside of him.  He is one of those soulless politicians who doesn't care about what effect his actions have on people.  You can understand most of his public actions -- the adolescent sadism, the Confederacy taunting, even the the minimum wage vote -- once you understand that he has no soul.


COMMENT HIDDEN (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 1:16:38 PM)


Is that your counter argument? (thaddaeus toad - 7/23/2006 8:16:38 PM)
What are you in grade school?  Webb won b/c he told the truth, and was real.  Allen was a used car salesman.  Allen refurgitated every line from Bush's speeches for the last 5 years.  "Saddam would still be in power"  "I am a Jeffersonian Conservative" (Which is like being a Hamiltonian Liberal) 
Did he score points on Craney Island?  I don't know.  But, it seems far more egregious, in a state w/ the highest military population, to not understand the difference btween a peacetime GI bill, and a wartime GI bill.  Who's he running to represent, waste management, or the men and women he sent to die in Iraq?


I'll agree with some of what you said. (va.walter - 7/23/2006 1:46:56 PM)
Much of the "Allen won" sentiment that came from attendees is 100% based on style, not substance.  I think that's probably why people who have read the transcript have a very different take (style doesn't show up on paper).  In my opinion, both guys did a good job of getting out their substance (obviously we disagree with much of Allen's).  Allen just won the style category (not surprising from a career politician).  My negativity from the debate was mainly about Webb's lack of aggression.  I couldn't wait to see Webb go at Allen and it just didn't happen.

Great news is that it's a learning experience and Webb will probably roll him next time.  Tighten up his answers a little, stay solid on the substance and be more aggressive in hammering Allen (and maybe praising someone other than Reagan) and Webb will be in good shape.



OK, so has ANYBODY (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 1:18:31 PM)
other than the Webb PR machine claimed this is a victory for Webb?

Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?

(deafening silence)



Has anyone besides Allen (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 2:08:55 PM)
declared i was a win for Allen?

Pot, meet kettle.



time for a dose of reality (Roger Jarrell - 7/23/2006 2:35:31 PM)
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189323975

The answer to Jaime's above question is an emphatic "yes."

From Bob Denton to Bob Holsworth, independent observers say that George Allen won Round 1.



Doh! (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 2:47:29 PM)
:-)


OH, that's right (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 2:49:43 PM)
The Times Dispatch, such a fair and balanced newspaper.  Riiiiiiiight.


BAHAHAHAHA! (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 2:55:46 PM)
The only part of this silly little piece that shows anyone calling Allen a winner is the title!

That is phreakin hiarious!!!  Bold are me....

Observer: Allen takes first round

Richmond Times-Dispatch

Jul 23, 2006

Robert Denton, a specialist in political communications at Virginia Tech, said Virginia Republican Sen. George Allen bested Democrat Jim Webb in the almost two-hour debate.

Ok, so there must be a quote from him about Allen winning, right?

"Webb showed a lack of aggression," Denton said. "He did not clearly make any difference between himself and his opponent."

WRONG.

In fact, Denton said the debate was so tame that he saw some audience members in the back of the room sleeping.

That has nothing to do with Allen winning.

Robert Holsworth, dean of the college of humanities and sciences at Virginia Commonwealth University and the debate moderator, said he believes Allen was skilled "in defending his linkage to the president." Holsworth said Webb "did a better job on economic issues. He was passionate."

OK, so Allen is skilled in one area.  Webb is skilled in one area, and passionate.  No word yet on who won, but I have Holsworth's number, and plan on calling him tomorrow.  I'll let you all know.

But Holsworth said Webb was "clearly up against one of the consummate candidates in America. . . . [Allen] showed why he will be difficult to beat." -- Carlos Santos

Duh, we all knew that.  No one said it would be a walk in the park.  But still; anyone see a direct quote on a winner in here?

Nice try, guys.  But don't worry, you have inspired me to write a diary on theis "laughable" hypocrisy.



I guess Bob Denton and Bob Holsworth are.... (Roger Jarrell - 7/23/2006 7:22:49 PM)
unfair and lack objectivity then, Jaime.

Let's face it, Bob Denton and Holsworth were in the Virginia punditry game long before you left New Jersey or ever lived in farm houses without running water.

They know their stuff.  And, you can't dismiss them.



You missed the point (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 7:56:10 PM)
which is totally surprising coming from you.

::rolls eyes::

I was making the point that NO ONE SAID ALLEN WON.  Find me a direct quote.

Wow, another ref to my personal life.  I have nightmares over the fact that you may be thinking of me.  Ugh.



Why didn't you go? (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 7:59:38 PM)
You seem like a such a great, knowledgeable, powerful lawyer with so many connections, it was a surprise someone as politically astute as you wasn't there.

aHEM.



Well Jaime.... (Roger Jarrell - 7/25/2006 8:51:49 AM)
this may come as a surprise but I am a bona fide NASCAR dad.  I took my son to the NASCAR Busch race in Martinsville.  This event marked the first time since 1994 that the Busch series has been in Martinsville.

So, I passed up the chance to visit the Homestead.  Actually, I would have preferred to golf rather than two politicians.



But don't expect anyone (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 2:51:36 PM)
to say much about that other than whine about the source. 


Earth to phreakin' Rolling Stone (I.Publius - 7/23/2006 2:47:02 PM)
wannabe contributor:

Every campaign makes silly claims like that.  BFD.  That's not news.

But when RK posts a Webb press release as if it IS news, then RK confirms what most people already know.  Namely, that RK is nothing more than a parrot of the Webb campaign.

It's one thing to simply admit that they're pro-Webb.  Again, BFD.  Other blogs are admittedly pro- one candidate or another.  But here there's a difference.  RK is more and more proving itself to be absolutely nothing more than an alternative url for Webbforsenate.com.  Hell, coming here is becoming as comical as watching Baghdad Bob.

To prove my point -- find me a well-known conservative blog today that has proclaimed "Allen wins first debate!"

(I don't actually expect you to find one... mostly because you can't, but also because you're so busy "debunking" a list that rubs you the wrong way.  Please keep working on that project.  It's absolutely hysterical.)



What's hysterical (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 2:49:15 PM)
is you trying to use a ph.


A laugh riot. (hrconservative - 7/23/2006 7:44:38 PM)
Its why I like coming here, for the laughs.

If Webb had stayed silent in the debate, this site would have said see, see, silence shows leadership!! Webb won, webb won!!!



Yeah (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 7:57:58 PM)
and you weren't there, were you?

Bye.



Best Debate Comment: (Bubby - 7/23/2006 3:06:45 PM)
"When two people agree with each other 97 percent of the time, one of them doesn't need a job," Jim Webb (in reference to George Allen's close ties with George Bush).


Audience response. (va.walter - 7/23/2006 3:21:27 PM)
I agree that was Webb's best line and it was his only line of the night that got an audience reaction.  Plenty of chuckles from "both sides of the aisle" to that line.  I was very surprised by the lack of audience response to Webb's "Reagan didn't invade Czeckoslovakia" line.

Webb said the "one doesn't need a job" line was told to him by a friend.  Any idea who?  Whoever it was, he should be hired as Webb's speechwriter.



No, not really true (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 3:36:46 PM)
It was his best line, but I was in the second row, "Webb side" and there was interaction from us the entire time.  Esp. when Allen got on his soapbox about Craney? Cheney? Creeney? Island, and Webb kept saying "Got it George.  I GOT IT George."

Oh, and remember-Allen was PISSED when Webb quietly told the audience about Cheney's secret visit for $$. 



Let me be more clear (va.walter - 7/23/2006 3:47:48 PM)
Obviously the "front 2 rows" folks responded a lot to their guy.  I'm talking about the "regular folks" sitting in the rest of the place.  I was about 5 rows behind you and was essentially in the middle of the "regular folks."  All of comments are about them, not the "front 2 row" people.


Gotcha. (phriendlyjaime - 7/23/2006 4:06:11 PM)


Worst Debate Comment (Bubby - 7/23/2006 3:10:55 PM)
"I know it's easy to kick a friend when he's down. I am not going to kick a friend when he's down," George Allen on George Bush.

Heckuva endorsement there Buckaroo.



"Friend" (thaddaeus toad - 7/23/2006 8:34:03 PM)
Allen is so far up Bush's ass it seems like he wants to go w/ him on that "Man-date" Bush claimed he had.
We have some really deluded folks on this site today, which is fine.  Allen is a career politician, slimey, and well-oiled.  He should have trounced Jim Webb in this debate.  there should be no question about it, but alas there is.  Why?  Because after 12 years in public life, having nothing to point to as his own legacy, the people of Virginia, lawyers even, can smell the BULLSHIT.


Allen won. (hrconservative - 7/23/2006 9:19:24 PM)
So you are claiming victory because Allen won by a lot and not by a huge margin?

The things people say on this site. hahahaha. Keep spinning. Keep spinning.



HAHA indeed (DukieDem - 7/23/2006 9:24:05 PM)
As opposed to the things people say on your site, which is nothing. Do you enjoy failure, or does it just come naturally?