George Allen and Pat Robertson

By: Rob
Published On: 7/12/2006 11:17:33 AM

A blast from the past, but also an issue that shouldn't be forgotten:
Allen, whose eye is on 2008, is scheduled to give the commencement address at Pat Robertson's Regent University this weekend [back in May 2005]. The NJDC called on Allen to condemn Robertson's remarks on "This Week" this past Sunday in which the good Reverend reaffirmed his belief that the "out-of-control" judiciary is a bigger threat to the United States than al-Qaeda - and even bigger than the Nazi threat of six decades ago. Allen's spokesman dismissed the NJDC release saying it "takes Robertson's remark totally out of context."

Let's roll the tape:

10:50:15 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS (OC)
But, sir, let me just stop you there. How can you say that these judges are a more serious threat than Islamic terrorists who slammed into the World Trade Center?

10:50:23 PAT ROBERTSON
It depends on how you look at culture. If you look over the course of a hundred years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that's held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings.

Wow, it sounds even worse put into context. Does George Allen still stand by that defense?

At the time, Josh Marshall wondered:

Putting it into context, how can the Republicans be strong in the war
against terror, but embrace those who seek to belittle it?

A year after his commencement address, I'm wondering the same thing. Has there been any change in Allen's position since last year, or does he still defend Pat Robertson's comments that American judges are a bigger threat to our country than al-Qaeda terrorists?

Comments



Look at the facts (DukieDem - 7/12/2006 11:34:46 AM)
I have no warm feelings for George Allen, but I hope in the depths of his soul he does not beleive the judiciary to be a greater threat than Al-Qaeda. However, attacking Al-Qaeda doesn't gain one any political points with the far right. Don't beleive me? Take a look at his website.

Under his laughable "Jeffersonian Conservative" values, he does not mention Al-Qaeda ONE TIME in his war on terror subsection under 'security'. He mentions free elections and democratic governments, but never mentions Al-Qaeda.

Then go and take a peek at his section on Virginia Values. His VERY FIRST statement is stopping an out of control judiciary.

So clearly in terms of priorities, George Allen views controlling the judiciary as more important than controlling Al-Qaeda.



And which is more in the purview of a U.S. Senator? (I.Publius - 7/12/2006 2:36:30 PM)
I'll give you a hint... it's not al-Qaeda.


you dont expect much from your Congressmen (Rob - 7/12/2006 3:10:05 PM)
you don't think the war on terror is in the "purview" of a Senator.  I mean, there are Senate committees on both Homeland Security and Armed Services.  I think the war on terror might be relevant to them.


"Controlling the judiciary" (JPTERP - 7/13/2006 1:05:05 AM)
I suspect this is being generous.  "Eliminating" the independent judiciary seems to be the non-euphemistic approach that some on the far-right are taking.  I'm guessing that Allen hasn't spent much time following the reasoning of our Founding Father's on the topic. 


I must have missed it. (va.walter - 7/12/2006 2:57:06 PM)
Can you show me where George Allen supported or defended these comments.  All I saw was a statement by his press secretary that they wouldn't comment.  I certainly hope you're not saying that just by speaking at Regent he endorsed those comments.  If you are, you're gonna piss off a lot of VA voters.


Can you explain who I'm going to piss off? (Rob - 7/12/2006 3:13:16 PM)
I'm only referring to the person who accepted the invitation to speak at Pat Robertson's college.

Anyway, when Felix's spokesman says that Robertson's comments were taken out of context, that's a defense in my book.



If you're condemning Allen... (va.walter - 7/12/2006 3:40:22 PM)
simply because he spoke there then you're going to piss of all the people who go to Regent, work at Regent, are associated with Regent, watch 700 Club, etc.  That's a ton of people, many in the Hampton Roads area where Webb wants to make inroads.

If you're not labelling him guilty for his appearance but simply guilty because his press secretary said the quote was taken out of context...then you won't piss off any voters because no one will care.  It's a complete nonissue.



There's a huge difference ... (Rob - 7/12/2006 4:20:39 PM)
between the janitor at the university and a sitting Senator representing 7 million people who affirmatively accepted an invitation from campaign contributor Pat Robertson to speak at his university.  So I think we're allowed to hold SENATOR Allen's actions here to a higher standard then those on the list you trotted out.  Nice try, though.

In any event, Allen defended the comments (as you seem to have admitted) which is bad enough.  And defending comments that put our U.S. judges as a higher threat than terrorists - yeah, keep dreaming that it's a nonissue.
 



It was nonissue when Allen spoke at Regent... (va.walter - 7/12/2006 5:11:23 PM)
but you're right, I'm dreaming because I don't believe something from the past that no one cared about at the time is suddenly going to become an issue.

Come on people, if Webb is going to win this campaign we have to have a campaign about substance, not this garbage.  Webb is a "different" candidate but we're all playing the same tired old games.



I guess you've made your call. (Rob - 7/12/2006 9:18:50 PM)
If you're fine with your Senator defending comments like that, I guess we're at an impasse.


Well Said, Rob (PM - 7/13/2006 9:06:45 AM)
Let's remember that Allen endorsed Chris  "Africans will have sex with anything with a pulse" Craddock.  A decent politician would have withdrawn the endorsement.


Pat Robertson Is Morally Bankrupt (PM - 7/12/2006 7:31:36 PM)
I believe I would put him in the evil class.  He's a religious huckster, who profits immensely from Jesus Christ's word.

I doubt anyone at that so-called university, including the parents who send their kids there, is going to vote for Webb anyway.

Some nice references from Wikipedia about Robertson's un-Christian money-making life:

*In the late 1980s, Pat Robertson sued now former House Representative Republican Pete McCloskey, for libel over his statements that Robertson's father used his influence to keep his son out of combat. After the trial date was set of March 8,the day of the Super Tuesday primaries, Robertson dropped the suit, possibly fearing the parade of decorated Marine officers who were scheduled to testify against him would scuttle his presidential ambitions. The case was dismissed, and Robertson agreed to pay McCloskey's costs.

*Among his more controversial statements, Robertson has described feminism as a "socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."[10] Many of Robertson's views mirror those of the evangelical activist Jerry Falwell, who has made frequent appearances on The 700 Club. He agreed with Falwell when Falwell stated [11] that the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were caused by "pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU and the People for the American Way."

After public outcry regarding the dialogue, which was conducted via television monitor and took place only days after the attacks, Robertson claimed that his earpiece was malfunctioning, and that he was unaware of what he was agreeing with at the time.

On the June 8, 1998 edition of his show, Robertson denounced Orlando, Florida and Disney World for allowing a privately sponsored "Gay Days" weekend. Robertson stated that the acceptance of homosexuality could result in hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, terrorist bombings and "possibly a meteor.

*Robertson repeatedly supported former President of Liberia Charles Taylor in various episodes of his 700 Club program during the United States' involvement in the Liberian Civil War in June and July of 2003. Robertson accuses the U.S. State Department of giving President Bush bad advice in supporting Taylor's ouster as president, and of trying "as hard as they can to destabilize Liberia."[13]

Robertson was criticized for failing to mention in his broadcasts his $8,000,000 (USD) investment in a Liberian gold mine.[14] Taylor had been at the time of Robertson's support indicted by the United Nations for war crimes, and prosecutors also said he had harbored members of Al Qaeda responsible for the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. According to Robertson, the Liberian gold mine Freedom Gold was intended to help pay for humanitarian and evangelical efforts in Liberia, when in fact the company was allowed to fail leaving many debts both in Liberia and in the international mining service sector. Regarding this controversy, Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptist Convention's public policy said, "I would say that Pat Robertson is way out on his own, in a leaking life raft, on this one."[15]

Robertson has also been accused of using his tax-exempt, nonprofit organization, Operation Blessing, as a front for his own financial gain, and then using his influence in the Republican Party to cover his tracks. After making emotional pleas in 1994 on The 700 Club for cash donations to Operation Blessing to support airlifts of refugees from Rwanda to Zaire, it was later discovered, by a reporter from The Virginian-Pilot, that Operation Blessing's planes were transporting diamond-mining equipment for the Robertson-owned African Development Corporation, a venture Robertson had established in cooperation with Zaire's dictator, Mobutu Sese Seko, whom Robertson had befriended earlier in 1993.

An investigation by the Commonwealth of Virginia's Office of Consumer Affairs determined that Robertson "willfully induced contributions from the public through the use of misleading statements and other implications" and called for a criminal prosecution against Robertson in 1999. However, the Virginia Attorney General Mark Earley, a Republican whose largest campaign contributor two years earlier was Robertson himself, intervened, accepting that Robertson had made deceptive appeals but overruling the recommendation for his prosecution.[16] No charges were ever brought against Robertson.

*On his The 700 Club television program, Pat Robertson has sharply criticized elements of the United States government and "special interest" groups that don't share his views. In interviews with the author of a book critical of the United States Department of State, Robertson made suggestions that the explosion of a nuclear weapon at State Department Headquarters would be good for the country, and repeated those comments on the air. "What we need is for somebody to place a small nuke at Foggy Bottom,"[17] Robertson said during his television program, referring to the location of the State Department headquarters. State Department officials said they believed the comments to be in extremely bad taste, and have lodged official complaints against Robertson for his remarks.

There's a lot more info at the Wikipedia site.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_robertson

Anyone with a true sense of morality would have given a speech at that "university" condemning Robertson.