Kerry Praises Webb; Miller Disses Kerry (Updated)
By: Lowell
Published On: 6/2/2006 8:39:35 PM
AP's Bob Lewis is out with an article on John Kerry's endorsement of Jim Webb. According to Lewis:
In a U.S. Senate primary measured largely on the power of endorsements from Democrats, former Republican Jim Webb landed the biggest name yet Friday with the backing of John Kerry.
You can say that again; the 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee endorsing Jim Webb for Senate is highly significant. Lewis quotes Kerry as follows:
Jim Webb quit the Republican Party over the Bush Administration's incompetence and malfeasance in creating a mess in Iraq that has cost lives and weakened our security. For Jim, this is personal, I dare any Republican to question this man's courage, character, or moral authority on questions of war and peace.
Yeah, for Jim Webb, this is personal. And for John Kerry, it's personal too. Let's cut to the chase here: after June 13, Jim Webb goes up against a campaign which employs one of the main guys - Chris LaCivita - who worked on the "Swift Boat" anti-Kerry slime ads in 2004. Is there anyone who believes that John Kerry doesn't want revenge against those bastards? And is there anyone who believes that a Jim Webb victory over George "Bush Rubber Stamp" Allen and Chris "Swift Boat" LaCivita wouldn't be sweet for both Jim Webb AND John Kerry?
Actually, there DOES appear to be one person who fails to grasp the significance of Kerry's endorsement. Yep, our good friend Harris Miller, whose campaign proceeded today to immediately take a shot at John Kerry ("John Kerry doesn't know Virginia"). Dissing John Kerry now? Amazing. But that's Harris Miller for ya: anyone who crosses him gets attacked, bashed and smeared. Harry Reid and all the other U.S. Senators who endorsed Jim Webb? Miller dismissed them as people who don't "actually vote in the Democratic primary in Virginia." American Hero Jim Webb? Miller says he's a misogynist (lie), anti-Semite (laughable lie), and racist (despicable lie).
Uh, Harris? Since when does abortion rights leader Kate Michelman, who endorsed you the other day, "actually vote in...Virginia?" As a matter of fact, I'm sure you're aware that Michelman actually considered taking on Bob Casey, the strong Democratic nominee against Senator Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum (R-PA), as an Independent? You didn't know that? Ahhhh...
Here's the deal: Harris Miller happily touts the endorsement of a woman from outside Virginia who talks of challenging our strong Democratic nominee in Pennsylvania? But Miller disses John Kerry, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, and other national Democrats who endorse Jim Webb. Oh wait, I keep forgetting, Harris Miller is a "loyal Democrat." Isn't that what Miller keeps telling us, in his nauseating (and endless) mailings? And don't we all believe Harris Miller, the lobbyist who gives to Dennis Hastert and Spencer Abraham? Suuuure we do.
[UPDATE: One more point, from today's Washington Post, is that "Webb went to Kerry's defense after an advocacy group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth questioned Kerry's bravery and the legitimacy of the combat medals he received." Also, I thought it was VERY significant that Kerry endorsed Webb in SPITE of the fact that - as Kerry wrote - "neither of us would deny that we've had our differences over the years." In my view, the Kerry-Webb reconcilation is a powerful one, in that it brings together two men who differed on the Vietnam War, which ended 31 years ago almost to the day but which continued to divide the country for many years afterwards.]
Comments
I have a suggestion (teacherken - 6/2/2006 8:48:40 PM)
which I will pass on to a certain literary gentleman with whom we have both communicated recently
what would it take to get a list of Kerry's contributors in Virginia and mail them Kerry's complete statement with a request to
a) help get out the vote for Jim
b) contribute to help get even
it could even include the fact that Allen has an organizer of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth effort against Kerry, and with Webb we can clean their clocks.
just a little brainstorming. Hope the benadryl is not clouding my judgment.
Great idea, let's do it! (Lowell - 6/2/2006 8:50:29 PM)
By the way, Kerry received 204,142 votes (Lowell - 6/2/2006 8:52:56 PM)
in Virginia in the Democratic primary on February 10, 2004. That was 51.5% of the Democratic vote.
In the general election, John Kerry received 1,454,742 votes in Virginia.
You think a bunch of those people could be persuaded to come out and vote for Jim Webb, who Kerry just endorsed? Hmmm...
Whoops, I forgot. Miller said Kerry (Lowell - 6/2/2006 8:54:20 PM)
"doesn't know Virginia." Yeah, right, then why did he win the primary with 51.5% of the vote, and then win 1.45 million votes in the general election? How much electoral success have YOU had in Virginia, Harris Miller?
First Primary state over 50% (sndeak - 6/4/2006 5:49:11 PM)
Virginia was the first state in which John Kerry took a majority.
That's interesting. (Left Wing - 6/3/2006 9:25:45 AM)
I didn't know that. I think I'll put a Kerry-Edwards bumpersticker (I couldn't bring myself to throw them away!) next to my Jim Webb....so people will make the connection.
email already sent to our literary friend (teacherken - 6/2/2006 8:55:11 PM)
I figured concentrating on those who actually gave money would make it a more manageable list and one that might also yield $$ to the campaign.
Sometimes what I'm full of actually turns out to be decent ideas.
RE: Between the lines . . . (JPTERP - 6/2/2006 10:00:29 PM)
I love parsing Miller's statements. Any guesses to how Miller would justify his statement that he fought to keep jobs in the U.S.? My guess, it's called the HB-1 visa program. In otherwords, if workers come here, the jobs don't go overseas. Which incidentally, depresses mid-level workers wages stateside.
I'm not entirely opposed to the HB-1 visa program; however, I agree with what Webb seems to be saying in essence with his "fair trade" argument: You have to look to your interests at home before you can reach out to those in need. You don't reward hi tech CEOs for undertaking actions that hurt mid-level employees.
Pascrell Bill (TurnVirginiaBlue - 6/2/2006 10:20:46 PM)
There is a bill that sit buried in subcommittee in the house which fixed the H-1B program. It stops the labor arbitrage and fraud problems that have enabled it as a tool to displace American engineers and returns it to it's original intent,which is to bring over people with skills that cannot be located within the United States professional labor force.
So, it doesn't kill the Visa, it fixes it.
H-1B has many problems. (loboforestal - 6/2/2006 10:25:27 PM)
There should be a mechanism for an agreed upon number of professional caliber employers who wish to work in the United States for a limited amount of time or to become U.S. citizens.
(from http://computerworld.com/careertopics/careers/labor/story/0,10801,72848,00.html)
Nobel economist Milton Friedman scoffs at the idea of the government stocking a farm system for the likes of Microsoft and Intel. "There is no doubt," he says, "that the [H-1B] program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy."
Liberal critics point out that Corporations control the visa process.
H-1B reform should entail ..
1) Reduce the costs. Lawyers take a lot of money from H-1Bers
2) Limit the number: agree on annual quota which should be less than what corporations but a less than what Unions want.
3) Don't limit them to just engineering; open it up to all professions.
4) Remove the coporation as the visa holder, make the visa portable to other jobs.
5) Protect H-1B holders rights to join and form unions.
6) Make the citizenship track option clear and easy to accomplish up front, let them work say three years and then declare whether they wish to become a citzen or go home.
7) Make monthly lotteries available to all companies seeking workers and all workers seekin work. Make it easy so that small companies and proprietorships can compete, too.
8) Limit to 5% the amount of guest workers any company can employ.
9) Police the abuses.
A small, simple, low cost citzenship track proffesional workers immigration policy is a great idea.
The large, complex, unfair and costly programs championed by Harris Miller are a bad idea.
RE: ComputerWorld Reference (JPTERP - 6/2/2006 11:07:18 PM)
Lobo, thanks for the reference. Great points.
Miller attacks Kerry? (demo925 - 6/2/2006 11:28:11 PM)
Please before you troll me off the page please show we the quote where Miller sttacks Kerry. I personally think your being dishonest but will reserve why judgement till you show me a quote. If there is no quote then I think you should take that off the headline.
I have to agree (thegools - 6/2/2006 11:46:05 PM)
Miller hasn't really attacked Kerry. He just tried to downplay Kerry's impact in VA.
The problem is Miller is just too stubborn to realize that he will lose. By staying in it, he wasted his own money and Webb's (to defend against an unrelenting attack machine). Miller would do better to keep his cash and leave Webb with some to use against Alen.
I've changed the title to 'Disses" (Lowell - 6/3/2006 7:00:25 AM)
I think that's a more accurate word for what Miller did yesterday. "Disses"=short for "Disrespects."
"The Washington Post doesn't know Virginia" (loboforestal - 6/2/2006 11:47:03 PM)
I'm still looking for that quote.
Good point, though, it'd be nice to have a ref. If it's eye-witness stuff (a Webb partisan and a Miller staffer mouthing off at each other) then it should be better labeled.
Link (DemTilDeath - 6/2/2006 11:58:32 PM)
There's a link to the article in the first line of the post. I suspect that's all that Lowell is referring to.
What's the point of the statement anyway??? (Left Wing - 6/3/2006 9:47:19 AM)
John Kerry represents Massachusetts. How well does he need to know Virginia? From his stand point he only needs to know THE MAN who he will be working with in the Senate. He's going to endorse someone who basically shares his views. An endorsement means: if you like Kerry, you'll like Webb.
If he were going to endorse candidates based on how well he knew a state, he'd be endorsing far-right republicans in Wyoming.
I believe he meant this... (DemTilDeath - 6/2/2006 11:55:59 PM)
"Miller's campaign spokeswoman, Taylor West, said Miller respects Kerry, 'but John Kerry doesn't know Virginia, and among those elected officials who do, Harris has overwhelming momentum.'"
It's condescending. Not what I'd personally call an attack, but certainly a slight. If Webb said something similar I suspect that Miller would have sent out a press release and an email to his list about how Webb had attacked Kerry's intelligence or something. You know Miller's MO. Maybe get Sue from headquarters to do a robocall asking everyone to vote for Miller because Webb had maligned a great Democrat John Kerry who Miller was in the trenches in 2004 trying to get elected... that sort of thing.
Far cry (demo925 - 6/3/2006 12:22:09 AM)
So what should they have said? and show me a similar pressrelease that shows Miller attacking the messenger. I think what they did was respectful to Kerry. Miller's strategy was to get instate endorcements, pretty clear to me that that's what they said. Miller was out there helping Kerry... lets face it some folks put their time in making phone calls or knocking on doors and others raise money for campaigns to pay for the lit that is handed out and for the phone lines to make those calls. I know Miller and his friend Don Beyer were raising money for a huge event in NOVA that raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Kerry because Harris called and got 1k out of me for it.
Lowell- I think your headline is misleading, I for one think you should take it down.
Leave it up. (loboforestal - 6/3/2006 12:32:37 AM)
So what? It's the blogosphere. Stuff happens. People expect a little bragging and fighting and shoving. Just shove back, no need for the editor to push commas and gerunds around.
Trenches? (Kathy Gerber - 6/3/2006 12:24:12 AM)
Miller publicly critized Kerry's policy paper about a week before the 2004 election.
maybe they both had an issue (demo925 - 6/3/2006 12:47:24 AM)
Could you provide a quote on that?
Have you all seen the USA today editorial that Webb wrote. I would say he had one or two things about Kerry that he publicly critized.
COMMENT HIDDEN (demo925 - 6/3/2006 1:27:39 AM)
Rhetorical Question ... Rhetorical Answer (loboforestal - 6/3/2006 1:33:30 AM)
No.
Sure. (Kathy Gerber - 6/3/2006 1:31:47 AM)
Just give me a moment. I was busy fetching the link on
Wooing Wired Workers for another someone else.
That's the one in which Miller and Grover Norquist are strategizing on how to build up the Republican base.
You can give that a look see while I find the link you need.
oops! (Kathy Gerber - 6/3/2006 1:50:28 AM)
Sorry loboforestal. Different source, same article.
Have we met?
dont think so (loboforestal - 6/3/2006 2:42:02 AM)
Probably not; I haven't gotten to any of Jim's events but I sure need to get out to one or two of them next week or so and write the campaign a check or two. Gotta put my money where my mouth is.
? (demo925 - 6/3/2006 1:58:55 AM)
Ok...? Just doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. I have never read anything from Miller that says he is against it making any changes, its just that he doesn't support taking radical steps. We can take steps toward fairer trade but you don't setup protectionist policies to deal with it. Don't treat the symptoms treat the causes! Let’s invest in Education, infrastructure, better regulations... lets not just look at every job that leaves lets look at every job that comes in too.
Anyway - Night
hay demo925 !!! (loboforestal - 6/3/2006 2:32:06 AM)
C'mon and join us. We're going to have fun the next few months. We are going to bop on Harris this month and then take a run at Allen. All those Senators endorsing Webb have done some polling and crunched the numbers. The only chance they have at winning the Senate back is to run "Indiana Jones" in Virginia. Luckily, we found him masquerading as Jim Webb. A lot of folks bristle a little at backing a former Republican. The realists know that the Democratic coalition that actually won elections way back when was this : Catholics, Professors, Jews, blacks and white southerners. The Republicans were northern and western Protestants. Jim can bring back the moonshine drinkin' populist Southern Democrats. Howard Dean was right, we need to get some of them hard working, gun rack, truck driving old boys on our side again. Now some folks get picky about some of their social issues and lack of sofistikation on global trade issues but we do find a lot of common ground on economic issues. Things that help middle class working folk down South are things that help working class folks everywhere. Hell, we could use a couple of more maverick Senators. Things are so divided between the left and the right that sensible solutions not sponsored by special interests need a voice. Jim Webb's just speaking for all of us. We got a chance to really make a difference. C'mon and have some fun with us.
I will join Miller and Webb (demo925 - 6/3/2006 2:18:28 PM)
I'm going to support whoever wins the primary but I'm going to vote for Miller in the primary. I think either way we will have a strong candidate for Allen. Granted the two campaigns would be very different but it looks like they both can raise money and polls show they both are in a good spot to take on Allen.
If you read the pundits (thegools - 6/4/2006 1:52:00 AM)
commentaries, Webb is the man that has the chance. Everyone, except Miller and his supporters, are completely dismissive of his candidacy.
Nobody paid any attention to Virginia (including Allen) until Webb entered the race. With Miller we get Allen again....at least that is what all of these political followers have said or implied.
Do you really think they are all bonkers?? (I didn't need them to come to that conclusion. I did it back in January when no one was choosing sides and i did it with the open mind of someone who knew little or nothing of either candidate.)
Webb scares the pants off of Allen and co. The GOP's typical tools of calling Dems "whimp, whiners, whishy washy, flip flopping, weinies.." just doesn't stick on Webb.
Webb is a bell-weather. If we turn him and his kind (those on the fence) away, then the weather will continue to blow in our faces. The Democrats will continue to be a minority party. Wins will more frequently be attributable to the GOP hitting themselves over the head. We need Dem officials who do the hitting. Webb is that man to me, so I will clearly avoid the Miller box on the June 13 ballot. I will mark with gusto in a neat black mark on the rectangle marked WEBB. I hope you will reconsider and do the same.
Miller Raise Money in the General? (ChrisRK - 6/5/2006 12:28:32 AM)
Miller is not raising much in the primary, it is mostly self financed. He is not rich enough to self finance the General election. However, he will get no meaningfull financial support for the General.
Webb's competativeness, combined with his nation support will bring in huge amounts from Virginia and outside the state. The DSCC will kick in a bunch and many national leaders will hold fund raisers for him.
None of that will happen if Miller wins the nomination.
It's condescending and dismissive of Kerry (Lowell - 6/3/2006 5:56:50 AM)
The same way Miller is about everyone. If you don't support Miller, than OBVIOUSLY you must not know what the hell you're talking about, given how much of a "genius" and a "visionary" Miller believes he is. So, all these U.S. Senators are simply out of touch and badly misguided, in Miller's mind. Uh, Harris? Did you ever think these people looked at you, looked at Webb, and came to the obvious conclusion? Jim Webb for Senate!
Miller is dismissive (Arturo - 6/3/2006 10:07:52 AM)
of all the Senators who endorsed Webb. This means that Miller is dismissive of those with whom he hopes to serve in the Senate. Mr. Miller, that is rude and disrepectful. So sue me.
Buried on B-5 (JPTERP - 6/3/2006 4:14:49 PM)
of the Post's Metro section.
Barnes wrote a good piece about the Kerry endorsement. It appears that the Miller spokesman has softened his tone on this.