Some facts on Harris Miller to help you decide

By: Lowell
Published On: 5/22/2006 1:24:51 PM

Just tuning in to the Webb-Miller Democratic nomination race for US Senate?  Not sure about who to support?  Well, here are some facts on Harris Miller (and Jim Webb) to help you decide. 

Harris Miller...

*Supported the invasion of Iraq (in contrast, Jim Webb opposed the Iraq war since 2002)
*Said that making the Bush tax cuts permanent was a "great idea" and said "I love the idea" (in contrast, Webb thinks it's dumb to cut taxes when the country's at war; he also thinks it's a bad idea to give these breaks mainly to rich people)
*Claimed that "union membership would minimize job flexibility, reduce the ability to negotiate wages and stifle...creativity" (in contrast, Webb is pro-labor and anti-oustsourcing and has been endorsed by the Sheet Metal Workers)
*Wrote a blistering attack on unions published in Network World in which he attacked "union bosses," "collective bargaining," and "seniority systems." (Again, Webb is pro-labor)

*On WTOP radio, criticized the Democratic Party for not treating criminals like criminals. (Webb has said nothing of the sort)
*Contributed thousands of dollars to Republican members of Congress including Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Senator Spencer Abraham, Senator John Sununu, and Rep. Billy Tauzin. Many of the contributions went to Republicans at the very time these members were voting to impeach Democratic President Bill Clinton. (Webb has never contributed a penny to Republicans)
*Urged swift confirmation of John Ashcroft as Attorney General, claiming Ashcroft posessed "impeccable" credentials. (In contrast, Webb opposes government intrusion into our private lives)
*Praised Republican President George W. Bush as a "new leader" who was "demonstrating his leaderhip of the new economy." (In contrast, Webb has criticized the Bush Administration's incompetence in just about every area)
*In September 2003, Miller was charged with organizing a campaign to cover up evidence that Diebold's touch-screen voting machines could be easily manipulated. (In contrast, Webb has never been a lobbyist for Diebold or corporate interests)
*Said "I disagree with a lot of what the national Democratic Party advocates because I am a businessperson." (In contrast, Mark Warner says that Jim Webb is a "great Democrat")

In other words, Harris Miller and George Allen are the problem, Jim Webb is the solution.  Please vote for Webb on June 13 and let's "take back Virginia" from the neo-cons and Pat Robertson rightwingers like George "97% Rubber Stamp for Bush" Allen.


Comments



Thanks Lowell! (phriendlyjaime - 5/22/2006 2:35:46 PM)
You should never stop reminding people of the actions BAD CANDIDATES.


They're bad but not equal (Kip - 5/22/2006 4:25:04 PM)
At this point I would have trouble being for Harris Miller if he were some how to win the nomination. But George Allen is far worse. While Miller has recently seen the light and challenged George Bush, George Allen is still carrying his torch.


Actually, Miller's worse in one big way (Lowell - 5/22/2006 5:43:56 PM)
He's ostensibly one of us - a "Democrat."  Allen is a right-wing Republican, so I expect him to be evil.  But a Democrat?!?  That's harder for me to deal with in many ways...


COMMENT HIDDEN (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 6:44:29 PM)


Miller told Josh and me back in December (Lowell - 5/22/2006 7:10:22 PM)
Are you calling us liars?  If you don't believe us, why don't you just ask your friend The Shiller?  Of course, he'll probably tell you exactly what you want to hear, just like he does with everyone else.  By the way, how much is he paying you to sell out all your prinicples - voter verified audit trails, organized labor, Iraq, Bush's tax cuts, etc, etc - for him?


COMMENT HIDDEN (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 7:32:39 PM)


Then why are you supporting a guy who (Lowell - 5/22/2006 7:36:22 PM)
opposes almost everything you believe in?


Shill (Lowell - 5/22/2006 7:42:03 PM)
"A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services, who pretends no association to the seller and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers, unaware of the set-up, to purchase said goods or services. Shills are often employed by confidence artists.

The word "shill" is probably related to "shillaber", a word of obscure early-20th century origin with the same meaning.

Shills are illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions, because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill doesn't actually put uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates “buzz,” he or she may be legal. A person who is planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when appropriate, see "claque", or to participate in on-stage activities as a “random member of the audience,” is one example of a type of shill who usually operates legally."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill



Alice... (LAS - 5/22/2006 7:46:06 PM)
Perhaps it would help if you could explain why you are so set on Miller, besides having known him for a long time?How do you square the whole diebold/outsourcing thing, for example, with your very strong beliefs on these subjects? Perhaps you could explan to people how you think a lobbyist is going to defeat Allen--or is it that you just don't think anyone can beat him, so you might as well support the known commodity?

Does the fact that Allen's people obviously want to have Miller as their opponent mean nothing to you? Do you not worry that Miller's candidacy would strengthen Allen, leaving him richer and in a better place to become President Allen? Look, we'd be lucky if Allen got no more than a 10 point lead over Miller, and you know it.

For the record, I'm sorry to say this, Lowell, but I think some of the posters here are being shrill, unreasonable,  and rude. OTOH, Alice, you've allowed yourself to become a tool for the right-wing loonies, and that is a very bad thing.

That said, people, can we dial it down a notch here, please? Can we not all just get along?

 



COMMENT HIDDEN (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 8:33:47 PM)


So because he one liked Reagan, he's no good? (Craig - 5/22/2006 10:49:19 PM)
Just so you know, I know plenty of Democrats who used to be Republicans 20 years ago.  Should they all be expelled from the party, because they disagreed with you on some election 2 decades ago?

I don't care if he liked Reagan then, he's a Democrat now.  And his positions clearly show it.  Comparing him to Zell is just really below the belt, especially since unlike Zell he certainly doesn;t believe that criticizing Bush is treasonous.



Why? (Arturo - 5/22/2006 8:42:34 PM)
Why is everyone still responding to Ms. Marshall's nonsense?  I think we should ignore her. Basta con esta locura!


I agree. (thegools - 5/22/2006 10:07:19 PM)
I agree, but paying attention did lead to calling her on that non-sense post, and it did lead to her taking it off her Webb page. Even without an apology from Alice, I think when she pulled her article she effectively admitted her mistake.  Perhaps we should get off Alice's back for a while. 

Her mistake does go to show that one must chose one's word's carefully.....the GOP biting on to this is a good example of why that is important.

We would do well to forgive her and move back to being decent to each other....even if we dispute who makes the better candidate.

GO WEBB.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (phriendlyjaime - 5/23/2006 8:08:49 AM)
You said "Webb" page.  Nice.


You don't have to (Arturo - 5/23/2006 8:29:04 AM)
forgive her. What I mean is that when she comments on this blog (RaisingKaine), just ignore her.  She is not worth our time.  Creo que esta loca!


Wrong! (Eric - 5/23/2006 12:17:18 PM)
No matter how you feel about Alice, the candidates she supports, or her posts (here or elsewhere), we should not encourage or condone exclusionary politics. 

If people are spreading incorrect information then we need to correct it.  If people make arguments you don't believe in then you should refute them. 

But to discourage people from posting, either by banning or ignoring them, sounds very much like a Dubya/Republican move.  And I don't want to see this blog fall into a culture that discourages free speech.



I believe "Arturo" was simply suggesting.. (Lowell - 5/23/2006 12:20:30 PM)
to ignore her, not ban her or anything like that.


That's potentially worse (Eric - 5/23/2006 12:30:35 PM)
not from the free speech P.O.V, but Alice (or anyone) could say anything and it would go uncontested.  We should simply counter any BS with fact (and opinion where necessary).

You and many other Webb supporters have done a great job of putting the facts out there.  So let's just keep it up.



AND (phriendlyjaime - 5/23/2006 12:38:48 PM)
let's phonebank, ok?  And drop lit, and hang signs; all that jazz.


Can We Just Agree That Miller is Toxic to Union (AnonymousIsAWoman - 5/22/2006 8:24:43 PM)
Without descending to the level of personal attacks on each other?

Come on Alice, I respect you and know you're not a shill but the Virginia Democratic Party does not have a history of being pro-labor. Unless you count wanting labor's money and sweat equity without having to deliver on any actual pro-worker legislation that would help working people.

The Democratic Party is by far the better of the two parties, especially in Virginia; but between the last remnants of the Byrd Machine legacy and the nouveau Democrats from the DLC, who decided that they could actually appeal to the Republican base by being pro NAFTA, pro globalisation, pro outsourcing and anti labor, our party has sold it's soul and lost elections anyway.

So called "value voters' aren't voting for Republicans because of pro-business economic issues. In fact, even the Republican Party is barely holding together that uneasy coalition between Wall Street and the values voters with spit and duck tape. 

Democrats will win when they stop fighting the quixotic culture wars and starting sounding like "bread and butter issues" Democrats again. And when they start appealing to working men and women who are losing their jobs, their pensions and their ground.

And Harris Miller is exactly what's wrong with the yuppified quiche eating Democrats in Northern Virginia. As Will Rogers once said, "given a choice between a Republican and a Republican, voters will pick a Republican every time."

Miller could be in the Democratic Party for 30 more years and not be a Will Rogers type Democratic. And when we get those Democrats back, we'll win again.



COMMENT HIDDEN (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 8:44:51 PM)


See, it's these kind of statements that just don't (Lowell - 5/22/2006 8:49:33 PM)
cut it, at least in my book.  "Webb has never acted like a Democrat?"  What on earth does THAT mean?  How on earth do you define "Democrat," then?  Jacksonian, Jeffersonian, or what?  Does "Democrat"="Liberal" to you?  If so, why are you supporting Harris Miller. It keeps coming back to that, and you never answer the question.


Democrats support Democrats (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 9:17:41 PM)
Democrats vote in Democratic primaries. Democrats give money to Democrats (sometimes if they work for trade associations they give to certain Republican committee chairs and speaker, but they continue to give to Democrats)

Democrats make phone calls for Democrats, Democrats knock on doors for Democrats, Democrats put up yard signs for Democrats, Democrats put links on their websites for Democrats.

When running for office, Democrats invoke the names of Democrats, NOT Repubicans (except Lincoln)

It is not a question of supporting some 10 point plan if I had one, it is just a question of deeds not words, though I have never cared much for James Webb's words.



You never give up, do you? (Lowell - 5/22/2006 9:22:05 PM)
With all due respect, Alice, this is a pile of steaming horse manure.


You never give up, do you? (Alice Marshall - 5/22/2006 9:57:02 PM)
no
that's what we have in common


Blind party allegiance......? (thegools - 5/22/2006 10:40:27 PM)
It is precisely that sort of blind allegiance to party that can cause real stinker's (or losers) to get the nomination.  (Read G.W.Bush, Kilgore..) I deplore that mentality.  It stiffles free thought.  It makes people lazy.  If one only votes/campaigns the party line, they need not educate themselves about anything or any candidate. [It was this sort of practice that helped change the GOP from the party it was to the neo-con (Neo-fascist) one it is today.]  Electing a bad Democrat can do as much harm as electing a bad Republican, and it hurts the party worse because that official (with his stinch) becomes the symbol of the party.  (The GOP is dealing with this now with their stinky Shrub.)

If we vote/campaign only according to party then we are forfeiting one key piece of representative democracy, the ability to choose the best candidate to represent us.

I have never voted or campaigned along party lines for that sake alone.  I always look at the candidate.  I research all of them and act accordingly.  This time I will campaign and vote for Webb.  If Miller wins, I will campaign....for Judy Feder.  Miller is a stinker. 

(Though I voted Dean in 2004, I still campaigned for Kerry-he was a decent default candidate.  Miller is not.  I still may vote for him, but only with my nose pinched......That I and many others feel this way does not bode well for Miller or the democratic Senate run if Miller gets the nod.)

 



I've been a Democrat all my life... (Loudoun County Dem - 5/22/2006 10:10:51 PM)
My grandfather's farm had pictures of FDR, Eleanor Roosevelt, and JFK on the wall like they were family. I don't need anyone to tell me who is or isn't a Democrat but at this critical moment in our nations history it is especially vital that we place our Nation above party fealty.

To me the Democratic party is a set of shared values, not an exclusive club where one is judged by length of tenure. I prefer to judge those I would support by the "content of their character" as Dr. King so eloquently stated.

I support James Webb because he is, by far, the best candidate for America, Virginia, and the traditional Democratic constituencies of labor, the working class, and those who have no political voice. I have studied and read all I can about the lives and experiences of all three candidates for Senate and only one has consistently stood for integrity and honor.

Do I agree with Jim Webb on every issue? No, but I am with him on all of the issues that I feel are important and I know that he has arrived at his position through careful consideration of the problem and not through a sense of opportunism. I know viscerally that James Webb will stand and fight for what is right for me, my family, my community, my commonwealth, my country, and my planet.

We Virginia Democrats should count ourself blessed that Jim Webb has answered our call to service, he is not running out of some misguided sense of vanity but rather he is doing so out of his sense of duty and obligation to the spirit that America has repeatedly shown throughout our history.

James Webb is the right man at the right time.



One more point... (Loudoun County Dem - 5/22/2006 10:19:39 PM)
If we don't welcome back those who proudly call themselves "Reagan Democrats" we have consigned ourselves to permanently be the opposition party, a roll which the Democratic party has proven to be historically ineffective.


That was eloquent! (thegools - 5/22/2006 10:44:56 PM)
truly.


It sounds to me as if... (Loudoun County Dem - 5/23/2006 10:04:17 AM)
Alice is missing the days of the "smoke filled room" selection of candidates, missing the machine.


I am a former (apathetic) Republican (summercat - 5/23/2006 4:02:18 AM)
who turned activist Democrat the day after the Iraq invasion.  I think that invasion may have changed many other minds, as well.  I worked hard for Wes Clark and Tim Kaine, and am proud to work for Jim Webb, whom I respect as an honorable and intelligent man with high principles who "gets" the weaknesses in the current Republican-led system.  I am happy that Jim is supported by General Clark and General Zinni, and by such fine local politicians and Leslie Byrne and others.  It is also good news that Harry Reid and other national figures are on board for Jim.  I honestly can't believe all these folks have "sold out" their principles by supporting Webb.  Add to that the fact that Harris Miller may talk the talk, but has not walked the walk in some very crucial areas, as seen above.  And the fact that Jim Webb is infinitely more electable than Harris Miller.  Perhaps Mr. Miller should move into the "kingmaker" role behind Mr. Webb, rather than continuing the vision of himself as "king."  He could do a lot of good that way, for himself, for Democrats, and for all Virginians.


Welcome and well said... (Loudoun County Dem - 5/23/2006 12:16:17 PM)
I honestly can't believe all these folks have "sold out" their principles by supporting Webb.

I see it as following their principles by supporting Webb.



Fat chance of Miller dropping out! (thegools - 5/23/2006 3:07:55 PM)
Fat chance of Miller dropping out! He could help this country and state tremendously if he helped Webb instead of going on the attack.

I just watched the debate and Miller sounded OK.... until he interupted Webb and started his non-sense.  Civility is lacking in government more than ever, and it was sorely lacking in Miller.  He really helps no one but Allen with such attacks.  He comes off as an unpleasent, rude, and unworthy.  Also, he divides the party thereby weakening Webb too.  Sometimes I really wonder, is this guy "blind" or is he just a DINO/GOP guy?

(And I have heard he is a friendly guy....Go figure.)

Dear Mrs. Harris Miller and family,
  I know you don't like hearing critiques about your husband/father.  Some people can be down right ugly, but I am sure he is a loving guy to you.  Can you please tell him he's the greatest.  Tell him how much you love him.  Then ask him pull out of the Senate race "to spend more time with the family."  No one will criticize those motives.  I have tried to suggest it to him, but he has not listened.  Perhaps your loving suggestion will have more effect.

Sincerely,
KG



"Can't We All Get Along?" (KathyinBlacksburg - 5/24/2006 5:21:22 PM)
No.  Not now.  It's a primary.  And Harris Miller has once again flooded the phone system with negative attack ads.  I have had it with his despicable negative robo-calls. If he thinks that's the way to unite the party, he can forget it.  The problem is of his making.  And I personally am sick on the insiders using malicious tactics and then whining, 'can't we all just get along."  That will neither produce courageous leaders nor honest ones.  And that drivel has cost our party dearly.  We've had it up to "here" with those lacking in the spine dept.  And Miller's tactics are no substitute for spine.  Miller needs to consider what he'll have left after the way he's conducting this campaign.  The way he's headed (and Alice too) is to disenfranchise a huge portion of the Democratic vote.  What I am trying to say here is that we all intend to support the nominee.  But there are limits.  And Miller is shooting himself in the foot by alienating a huge contingent of Virginians.  The health of the state party, and our ability to retake the house and Senate, depend on him cutting the garbage.  Otherwise the prospect for our state is grim.  Why do you think the GOP has picked up Alice Marshall's baseless, divisive accusation?  They know that MIller's tactics are the route to detroying Democrats.  For shame Harris Miller (and suporters)for what you are doing.  And to those aksing for us to just get along, give it a rest.  It's just another sick ploy to get us to stand for nothing.