Zogby: 7 points Separate Allen, Webb

By: Josh
Published On: 3/31/2006 2:00:00 AM

A new Zogby poll released today on the Wall Street Journal website, gives incumbent senator and former Virginia governor George Allen a mere 7.2 percentage point lead over Democrat Jim Webb.  A similar poll in January had Allen leading by 11 percentage points.

Since announcing his candidacy on March 3, Jim Webb has consistently outperformed expectations; garnering overwhelming support from the online activist base, the netroots, winning local strawpolls, and gaining national television attention.

While poll results are well outside of the poll's 3.2% margin of error, any Senator polling at under 50% is generally considered to be vulnerable.  In this case, that's almost certain, considering that Jim Webb has been actively challenging Allen for less than a month and has spent essentially no money to promote his candidacy.

Webb faces former IT Industry Association President, Harris Miller, for the Virginia Democratic Party nomination.  Harris Miller trails nearly 12 percentage points behind Allen in the Zogby poll.

The Democratic primary will take place on June 13; the General Election November 7, 2006.

[UPDATE:  George Allen is beatable.  There's no doubt about it.  The only thing he's got going for him, frankly, is money.  Lots of it.  If you want to beat George Allen, you need to do two things.  #1:  Do everything you can to make sure Jim Webb is the Democratic nominee. #2  Help equalize the money difference by giving generously to the Webb campaign, right now if possible.  Thanks. - Lowell]

[UPDATE: This just in from a press release from the Webb Campaign:  Webb spokesperson Kristian Denny Todd said that ?to be within 7 points of George Allen three weeks after entering the race is another sign that Virginians are responding to Jim Webb?s message.  The people of Virginia know that George Allen is just a rubber stamp for George W. Bush.? Todd added that it is a ?demonstration of the momentum Jim is building and of the buzz and excitement surrounding his campaign.  Virginians want a full-time Senator, and Jim Webb has the leadership and experience desperately needed in the Senate.? - Josh]



Comments



you mean better than (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
you mean better than miller?


Wow! That's amazing (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
Wow!  That's amazing...much different than the Rasmussen poll and a sign that we can win this thing.  Now, let's nominate Jim Webb and turn all our attention to George "California Cowboy" Allen.


What was the distanc (Rebecca - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
What was the distance between Kaine and Kilgore at the beginning of the race? -Just curious.


About 10 points for Kilgore over Kaine, approximately 1 year ago today.


This is a very encou (mr science - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
This is a very encouraging poll. I think Webb is going to surprise a lot of people.


mr science: Yes he i (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
mr science: Yes he is, but he'll need money to do it.  Click here to donate now. Thanks!


Actually, I have don (mr science - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
Actually, I have donated earlier this week, after he got the Clark endorsement. I'm even considering volunteering.


Mr Science: what con (JC - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
Mr Science: what congressional district are you in?


I'm in the 10th dist (mr science - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
I'm in the 10th district.


You should definitel (JC - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
You should definitely volunteer, and right away.  We need folks to help in the 10th!

You have a chance to make a big difference.



Most polls show Webb (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:34:30 PM)
Most polls show Webb doing 4 or 5 points better than Allen, even that horrendous Rasmussen poll.  Webb was down 24, Miller was down 29.


There is a lot more (Rebecca - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
There is a lot more at stake in this Senate race than just gaining a Democratic Senator. If we can defeat Allen we also weaken the Republicans significantly in the next presidential race. I believe this could be a two for one type of situation. Any thoughts?


Thanks "mr science!" (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)


Thanks J.C. Signs po (mr science - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Thanks J.C. Signs point to "yes"!


I work for governmen (Rebecca - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
I work for government contractor. On the Webb site it says to not donate if you are a government contractor. What can I do to stay legal and still contribute?


This is from the Hot (ljs - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
This is from the Hotline today, so not sure how reliable this poll really is -- either way, both Dems have a lot of work in front of them. 

Beware Of Online Polls
There are a bunch of new poll numbers circulating in a bunch of states, thanks to the release of the latest online polls Zogby Int'l conducts for the Wall Street Journal's web site. We don't publish or acknowledge the existence of these numbers in any of our outlets because we are just not comfortable that online panels are reliable indicators.

It's a very new technology and we applaud Zogby for trying because some mix of phone calls, door-to-door and online will be used to create reliable polls in the future. Zogby is uniquely situated for the future, in fact, as he regularly conducts door-to-door surveys via his int'l arm, so he's gaining crucial experience when he moves toward using all three technologies for the same survey. (Note: Zogby does do a few calls in each state he polls online, but, frankly, it's not enough calls.)

But, to date, his online poll results are not just quirky, in some cases they don't make any sense. BTW, we have the same policy on Rasmussen (who uses automated callers) as well as his numbers sometimes show movement where none should have occurred. Until the track records of these surveys are proven over a long period of time, we'll continue to ignore these poll results when conducting our own analysis.

Finally, and here's the clincher for why we look at both Zogby online and Rasmussen with such a jaundiced eye: if either method of polling (online panels or automated callers) were consistently reliable, wouldn't professional campaign pollsters be using it? It's certainly cheaper [CHUCK TODD]



Rebecca: It's eve (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Rebecca:

It's even more significant.  George Allen's career is based on the rise of the radical "Conservative  Movement".  His rise to the Governor's Mansion also heralded the takeover of both the RPV and the Virginia House by extreme right-wing zealots like Dick Black and Bob Marshall.  The obstructionists in the House who are seeking to derail Tim Kaine's responsible policies are all riding on George Allen's coattails.

Moreover, George Allen is the highest ranking member of ALEC.  ALEC is a nationwide anti-labor, anti-environement, anti-regulation organization that works to allow corporate interests to write regulations for overworked legislators. 

There is no greater example of a Theocon / Corporate con, and neocon-enabler, than the Junior Senator from Virginia.  His ouster would be a benchmark in the annals of the receeding "conservative movement".



Rebecca, I think it' (Moe - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Rebecca, I think it's cool to contribute if you're employed by a contractor, rather than as the contractor itself.


Rebecca: If one c (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Rebecca:

If one can't donate, one's spouse still can...and their children etc...or anyone else for that matter.

On donor tracking websites, I have seen several donors that live in the same house.  This has enabled candidates to receive much more than the $2000 individual-donor-per-election-cycle limit from each household.
(e.g. My wife will be making seperate donations from me.)

If you live alone I don't know what to do.

(Please correct me if I am wrong.)



Re: Rebecca, I so (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Re: Rebecca,

I sought clarification on this last year for myself and mistakenly believed I could not contribute.  Unless you are THE contractor and directly (not indirectly as in someone who works for a company that has a government contract) you cannot contribute.

Reading your story I believe you CAN contribute.



Re: Rebecca A lit (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Re: Rebecca

A litte more consise statement:

Essentially unless you yourself (or the company you run) have a government contract then you can contribute.



Is anyone putting up (Rebecca - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Is anyone putting up a "Beat George Allen" site?


Re: "Contractors" (Greg - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Re: "Contractors"

Individuals are only "federal contractors" if they have a direct contract with a government agency, i.e. consultants.  Employees of corporations that have government contracts are not "contrators" in any legal sense.

The FEC brochure which covers this is available at this link.



Who is Harris Miller (harrismillerfan - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Who is Harris Miller?


Rofl... confused. I (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Rofl... confused.  I figured people would be asking that at about this point of the race.  rofl


I like that second u (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
I like that second update.  The Campaign is right, we've only been hardcore campaigning/fundraising for three weeks.  To be this close to Allen after three weeks is a huge accomplishment!  Especially since our monetary funds are so low.


I like that second u (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
I like that second update.  The Campaign is right, we've only been hardcore campaigning/fundraising for three weeks.  To be this close to Allen after three weeks is a huge accomplishment!  Especially since our monetary funds are so low.


Ahh...stupid double (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Ahh...stupid double post!


Good news. The only (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:34:31 PM)
Good news.  The only problem is that the other poll that came out this week showed Webb 24 points back.  My guess is the truth is somewhere between 7 and 24 points. 

  A lot of hard work (& money) is needed to change the numbers in Webb's favor.

I'll do my part, and you?