Yes, this organization was advancing the notion that Alaska could be a haven for white people. As noted, the AIP has ties to a motley crew of right wing groups including Neo-Nazis.

Its also important to note that Cindy McCain's family (Coors) provided the seed money for the founding of Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation. Weyrich has many ties to ex-Nazis and had one of the German eugenics experts in a prominent position in this organization for many years. Paul Weyrich's Heritage Foundation is a major force behind the concept of privitizing government. The purpose for this is to de-democratized government.

I have been researching all these ties lately as a result of some research I am doing for a class on the separation of church and state. I am stunned and shocked to find out how many ex-Nazis and fascists sympathizers have been involved in prominent American organizations.  

Cindy McCain's father founded Hensley & Co.  She serves as the chair of the board.  Hensley & Co is an Anheuser-Busch distributor, not a Coors distributor.

Obama sat in the vacinity of someone previously in a militant group when Obama was 8 years old (who to my knowledge was never convicted of a crime) on the board of a non profit.

Palin's own husband was a member of a succesionist group in Alaska - and Palin spoke at their convention.

And now McCain has alleged ties to nazis.  Doesn't sound like such a great friend of Isreal to me.

What's your source on this, Rebecca? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

What the F***?  Jews in this country vote overwhelmingly Democratic. If the "fascists in the shadows" are really "using" the Jews, they're not doing a very good job of it.  

They are trying to recruit Jews to the Republican Party. That's how they want to use them. The middle of the Republican Party has been diminished and the Republican Party now is controlled from the shadows by these people. There is significant stealth involved in these activities. Maybe I wasn't clear. Certainly they have not been successful in recruiting most Jews or even most Christians, but they are working on it.

The important point here is that they don't need a majority of any group to support them. They just need to infiltrate the government suffiently to gain control and terrorize anyone who disagrees.

They even acknowledge that if they succeed they expect to be in the minority in the general population. That's why this is essentially an anti-democratic effort.

The idea that a minority of Jews control governments for some secretive, ulterior, power-mad murder had been a libel against Jews for centuries. Along with the assertion that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus, the libel that a minority of Jews can control Christian is a staple of anti-Semites.

Rebecca, I don't think you are a hateful anti-Semite -- I really don't. But more than once, you have trafficked here at RK in the rhetoric of Jewish hatred. I wish you would stop, because at other times I think you have interesting things to say, but then you spout this kind of stuff, and, well, in my eyes it negates any credibility you may have.

This will be my final word on this topic, as I refuse to engage in a substantive argument about whether Jews could, in fact, be used by anyone in this fashion.

She's been overbroad; should have just said AIPAC.

As I said, I don't think Rebecca is anti-Semitic in any kind of hateful sense, but she has trafficked in this kind of nonsense before, defending and linking to her friend Wayne Madsen (look him up -- I can't stomach providing a link), so that leads me to believe that it wasn't simply a case of Rebecca confusing AIPAC and Jews.

But even if you were right, that would be the problem right there -- wouldn't it? --  that someone thinks AIPAC and "the Jews" are the same. It would speak to a certain world view toward Jews, wouldn't it?

But more to the point is the historical context of the remark, and the fact that it echoes anti-Semitic tracts that depict Jews as sneaky and in secretly in control that have been around for almost two thousand years, ever since the Diaspora.

Not defending her, just trying to seek some clarity.

Educate her, don't berate her.

off topic and needs to get back on it.  Focus, guys, we only have 30 days left!

which indeed is an aggressive organization lobbying to great effect for Israel in the US Congress---- they are so influential that you hear American Congresspersons from a wide variety of districts constantly making obeisance to extreme support for Israel. AIPAC is heavily supported by the Revelation-loving evangelicals because Revelation tells them there will be no Armageddon and thus no Second Coming of Christ until "Greater Islrael" is formed. The Rovians sow seeds of doubt among Jews about Obama's moderate approach on Palestine, and have convinced a surprising number of Jewish voteres that Obama is not to be trusted on Israel, and they should vote for McCain-Lieberman, I mean McCain-Palin. Each sides believes it is using the other for their own purposes.

very few Jewish Americans will vote for McCain-Palin. In fact, I think the Palin pick is really backfiring among Jewish Americans due to her far-right-wing wacko connections.

Why would you make an excuse like this, and chalk it up to poor word choice?

How about we all deal with the truth of the matter and help Rebecca get a little more informed on this particular issue and why her thinking on these matters is hurtful and disturbing, for her sake.

The problem is that it really doesn't matter in what context I mention the word Jew some people will think I am into persecution. I used to feel this way in the early days of the women's movement. I was hyper sysetive and saw persecution everywhere. Finally I began to realize that the world is more nuanced than that.

Frankly, Weyrich will use ANYONE he can recruit for his purposes. And frankly, I am tired of being persecuted every time I mention the word Jew. When one becomes this paranoid then it can actually causes the paranoid person to begin to persecute others.

I don't see any Christians on here saying I am persecuting Christians by saying some of them are aiding these fascist ideas.

I'm not spouting anything. You see everything in the world as Jewish centric instead of seeing the Jewish population as part of a bigger picture. Grow up.

I don't believe the trash about Jews being responsible for Jesus' death, but even it they were, that doesn't mean any living Jews are responsible. I'm sure my ancestors did some bad things. That doesn't mean I am responsible.

I don't believe a Jewish cabal controls world governments. Where on earth did you get that idea? Are you fantasizing?

From this statement of yours:

the fascists in the shadows are using the Christian Right AND the Jews to advance their cause.

From some of the rantings of your friend Wayne whom you have approvingly cited.

And still, I tried to express myself in a way that did not attack you personally by specifically saying that I did not believe you were a hateful person.

As for your statement to me:

You see everything in the world as Jewish centric instead of seeing the Jewish population as part of a bigger picture. Grow up.

Actually, no, I don't. But I'll call out anti-Semitism where and when I see it. And if that means I need to "grow up," well, then I guess I'll need to grow up until the moment I die.

P.S. As for your statement

I don't see any Christians on here saying I am persecuting Christians by saying some of them are aiding these fascist ideas.

I would only note that you specified "Christian Right" in your post, as opposed to the more general "Jews," so I would guess that many of the Christian progressives here did not feel offended.

In any event, as I went to great pains to explain, the difference lies in the historical context of your remark, and the fact that your statement echoes centuries of libels against Jews.

It looks like enough has been said on it so I'll not comment just for the sake of commenting.

The point of my post is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

If you look at who these people appoint to their boards and then read about their philosophy and read about their background you can easily figure this out. Before jumping to a conclusion you should research this youtself.

First, bring up Google then type in words like:

Paul Weyrich
Paul Weyrich fascists
Coors Paul Weyrich
Cindy McCain Coors
Paul Weyrich Christian Right
Paul Weyrich Reagan

Paul Weyrich stealth - This one will bring up Paul Weyrich's training manual on how to win politically. Here is the link:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/...

Heck, they even study Hitler's "Mein Kampf" in his class. This guy is responsible for identifying the fundamentalists as "unharvested timber". He invented the term "Moral Majority". He decided to use the Christian Fundies to advance his cause within the Republican Party.

I read about this stuff until 3:00 am last night because I am doing research for a class on separation of church and state. I suggest you do some investigation yourself and a few hours of reading. I certainly can't repeat everything I have read on this blog.

Palin just opened herself to attack on the AIF issue.  Her own husband - the future "first dude" should they get elected - was in that party.  She spoke at their convention.  

And then if we want to play guilt by association, I think that opens the book on McCain as well.  

At the end of the day this is to just divert attention from real issues.  But if they want to play that game I think Obama will win.

I shared it with my father and my aunt, who is Jewish and lives in Florida.  This is one of those "great shlep" moments: we must continue to inform...

http://www.thegreatschlep.com/...

Yes, that's a real John McCain ad. But no, that's not how you spell exaggerate.

See here.

and I simply don't get it, it was such a disjointed pastiche I could not extract any message as such. Can someone explain it to me?

Clips can be found of John McCain calling G. Gordon Liddy his close dear friend or similar words.  He has appeared often on Liddy's radio show.  Liddy has also related his admiration for Adolph Hitler.  Liddy further recommended that one should fire deadly "head shots" at federal law enforcement agents.  

I was just talking to my mom last night about the WACL.  She was unaware of it (which surprised me.)

The connection between McCain and WACL should be very toxic;  he may only have admitted to war crimes under torture, but the WACL effing brags about them.  

the highlights of WACL for me are its involvement in Nixon's CREEP (god, I love that acronym - Committee to Re-Elect the President) until it had to get uninvolved in a bit of a hurry, and its grotesque involvement in Latin America (Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Honduras, El Salvador and of course its repeated and unsuccessful efforts in Cuba.)  

When people refer to WACL as 'fascist,' they're not stretching the truth in the slightest;  if anything, they're shading it a bit.  

The European wing of WACL were overt Nazi sympathizers who cast their alliance with Hitler as being anti-Communist after the war.  

You could, of course, be both a genocidal anti-Semite and afraid of being spanked by the Red Army.  Sadly, if you were both of those things, the US was ready to give you a green card (and in the case of Werner von Braun, a research lab, too.)  

The thread tying WACL to high level Republican politics is unbroken.  In addition to Singlaub, cited here, a more important co-conspirator was William Buckley.  

Nixon had to distance himself from parts of WACL in a hurry.  I can't find specifics on this - I hope someone has them to hand.  

At least this answers Katie Couric's question about what newspapers Palin reads....she's a closet elitist.

was Brokaw's clear bias in his question, also.

He asserts, first, that the Ayers thing has been "just below the radar" when, in fact, it has not. It had been raised and deemed irrelevant. Saying it is under the radar is a way of justifying Palin's raising of the issue now.

Brokaw also asserts that the Obama-Ayers relationship is "not entirely clear."

But their relationship, what little there is of it, is entirely clear. Ayers held some fundraiser for Obama early in his career, they were both on the same board, and they apparently both moved in chicago political circles without ever having much do do with each other.

Brokaw sucks.

was what I heard at one house while I was canvassing today for Obama. It was said with great sincerity and conviction, but I was flabbergasted, not having heard that particular smear before. When I laughed and asked for details it was a confusing mishmash of Ayers and Chicago politics in general. This all goes somehow with the the elderly gentleman I ran into last week who intoned our current mess was all God's Plan, the country's leaders all were corrupted, just politicians, and so on. It is amazing how many people there are with arrested emotional and intellectual development who fall into these mystical or conspiracy fairy tale belief systems. The Republican operatives have learned how to manipulate these poor folks and it is downright scary: what if one of these nut cases actually ends up in a position of authority---- oh, wait....

was Begala's short-hand description of Palin's folksy comment about Obama "palling around" with terrorists (how condescendingly cutsey a term to use). What this is, is a revival of McCarthyism, that's exactly what Guilt by Association is. This opens a whole bucket of worms for John McCain and Governor Palin. Open season! Begala is right, they should not go there, it will backfire. That is, it will if the blogs and the Obama campaign jump on it.