Palin: Moose in the Headlights (updated with longer video clip)

By: Lowell
Published On: 9/11/2008 7:48:58 PM

(Original video posted available here.)

Like a moose in the headlights, Sarah Palin obviously has absolutely no idea what the "Bush Doctrine" is. For the record, the Bush Doctrine is the KEY FOREIGN POLICY DOCTRINE of the past 8 years.  It advocates "preventive war...that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat [is] not immediate."  And no, "preventive" is NOT the same as "preemptive" (where a country strikes first, knowing that another country is about to attack it militarily), but apparently Sarah Palin's neocon foreign policy tutors didn't quite get to that one in her pre-interview cramming sessions.

I also love how she won't answer the question on Pakistan, and how Charlie Gibson says he "got lost in a blizzard of words." Ha.

OK, so let's cut to the chase. Sarah Palin is not qualified in any way, shape or form to be "a heartbeat away" from the presidency. The issue here that should outrage everybody, or at least give them a great deal of concern, is that John McCain chose someone for VP who's completely unqualified, thereby putting his own political prospects ahead of his country's security.  That's the main point, and it's about time we all started to focus on it.

UPDATE: The conservatives are freaking out. Check out Michelle Malkin's near-hysteria, for instance. Obviously, they know that Sarah Palin just had a meltdown on national TV and there's nothing they can do about it.  Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

UPDATE BY ROB:  And, apparently, Palin thinks that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.


Comments



Plays well in Peoria (Teddy - 9/11/2008 7:56:40 PM)
Why, Charlie, you just weren't listening to my talking points--- Charlie, all options are on the table, I already told you, Charlie, these Islamofascists are hell-bent on destroying the United States. Charlie.


Since when does Peoria want war (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:01:41 PM)
with Russia?  We'll see how it plays...


Peoria likes potential presidents that are this unprepared? (Rob - 9/11/2008 9:32:39 PM)
I would hate to live in that town -- the mayor must be a 10 year old. ;)


Just a phrase (Teddy - 9/12/2008 9:18:26 AM)
that's all "see how it plays in Peoria" is; like "break a leg" means have a good opening night in the theatre. Or, is that too elitist?


Sounds like it's Lipstick on a Pig, to me. ;) (Pain - 9/12/2008 9:39:37 AM)


WAR WITH RUSSIA MAY BE NECESSARY ACCORDING TO PALIN (Pru - 9/11/2008 8:00:01 PM)
for the whole report see:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli...

According to ABC:

On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia.

When Gibson said if under the NATO treaty, the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told Gibson.




War with Russia? (South County - 9/11/2008 8:29:13 PM)
Yikes!


What she said was really stupid on several levels (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:36:18 PM)
1. She made the Russia-Georgia conflict black and white, when it's anything but.  

2. She advocated rashly for what sounded like immediate NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine.  If there's anything that will piss off Putin and ratchet up hostilities with Russia, that would certainly be high on the list.

3. She then proceeds to the conclusion, which she shouldn't be talking about in such a flippant way, that if our NATO allies were attacked, it would mean war with Russia.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Actually, it's McCain's super-hawk "neo-con" foreign policy advisers who have told her what to say, she's just dutifully mouthing the words (I mean, c'mon, does ANYONE believe this person knows jack about the Caucusus, Ukraine, NATO, etc?).



Where would we get the troops? (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 8:51:32 PM)
That's one of the difficulties connected to fulfilling NATO commitments to Georgia in the event that it is admitted as a member with full rights (and obligations).

If we were forced to respond we would need to pull troops from either Afghanistan or Iraq.  Which mission would Palin sacrifice first for this new war to defend Georgia?  Alternatively would she institute a draft?  Increase the size of the military?  

How would she square this commitment with other commitments?



That's a silly question (tx2vadem - 9/11/2008 10:32:53 PM)
That's what our billion dollar stock of ICBMs are for.  As Palin said, you can't blink.


During the rapture . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 10:51:20 PM)
the select will be taken to heaven during the duration of the conflict.  It's a shame that she didn't highlight that point.

As a side note, I think all of the candidates are wrong on Georgian membership in NATO.  Ukraine, maybe.  Logistically supporting Georgia would be very tricky even if we were able to resolve the troop availability question.  We'd have stretched supply lines -- and yeah, ultimately it would mean that ICBM's would probably end up being used -- a catastrophe.



NATO (tx2vadem - 9/11/2008 11:08:11 PM)
Neither Georgia nor Ukraine should be members any time soon.  We should not waste taxpayer money upgrading their militaries.  Neither serves a strategic interest to the U.S.  Ukraine has a sizable ethnic Russian population.  Most of the country east of the Dnieper is basically Russia.  There is a much longer history between Russia and Ukraine than Russia and Georgia.  Neither country is stable enough.  And I don't care to go to war with Russia over Ukraine either.  I also don't think NATO membership is essential to preserving the Orange Revolution, we can do other things economically to support that.

Maybe some day, but for now a cautious approach over the span of many years is the right idea in my opinion.  There is no need to rush their membership.  And I am happy with Europe taking the lead on decision making here.  



I agree with all of these ideas . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 11:35:22 PM)
except for the strategic interest question.  Georgia's pipeline from former Soviet states to the Black Sea does have strategic value for the U.S. and Europe -- the question is: at what price?  Certainly not in terms of an outright war with Russia, and not in terms of NATO membership.  Still it's hard to see not having some stake in what takes place in the region.  

It's past-time though for the U.S. and Europe -- especially the U.S. -- to get serious about energy independence.  That's the long-term answer it seems.



Georgia (South County - 9/12/2008 5:12:07 PM)
We already have spent a lot of improving the Georgian military.  U.S. European Command has been working with them for years as part of the Georgian Sustainment and Stability Program.  For more details: http://www.eucom.mil/english/G...


I'm guessing (Ron1 - 9/11/2008 10:44:28 PM)
the rest of NATO just started getting VERY nervous.

They may all resign from NATO if this ticket gets elected -- ain't no way central Europe wants to get into a hot war with Russia over Georgia or even the Ukraine.

It's insanity. If these people were in charge during the Cuban Missile Crisis or at any time during the late '70's through the mid-'80s, the "Cold War" would have been a potential Thermonuclear War.



Her state would be the first to go! (Will Write For Food - 9/11/2008 9:18:33 PM)
What is she thinking?! ... Wait, never mind.


Screech...whats that sound? (Pain - 9/11/2008 8:02:44 PM)

Sounds like a train wreck to me.

Something tells me this will be the last interview, and there will be no seperate campaign appearances and certainly no town halls for Sarah Palin.



Lincoln Chaffee calls Palin a "cocky wacko" (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:05:14 PM)


Can we trade up? (Pain - 9/11/2008 8:10:13 PM)

How much can we get for Lieberman if we trade him in for a Linoln?


Chafee should've switched parties before he lost (Rob - 9/11/2008 9:34:17 PM)
I never understood that one.  Now he's an independent that backs Obama -- why not just become an independent and caucus with the Democrats in early '06?    


53 minute mark . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 8:52:46 PM)
I almost mentioned this one to you yesterday.  It's worth noting to those who haven't seen it that Chafee's comments about Palin start at the 53 minute mark.


here's a good anlysis of the Palin Pick (thegools - 9/11/2008 10:41:29 PM)
by Lincoln Chafee.


wassamatta her? (jsrutstein - 9/11/2008 8:14:03 PM)
http://www.oddballcomics.com/c...


Biden should have plenty of material. (Pain - 9/11/2008 8:20:09 PM)

There should be enough material here for several town hall meetings, until we get the next sections of her interview.


I love how she's qualified on foreign policy (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:24:22 PM)
because she (supposedly) knows something about "energy" and because you can see Russia (the uninhabited parts) from a few places in Alaska.  Hey, does that make everyone who lives along the border with Canada and Mexico "experts" in those countries as well?  Wow, you mean I didn't need to spend all that money studying international relations, I could have just moved to northern Maine or something?  D'oh, NOW they tell me! :)


I have invented a new term (Catzmaw - 9/12/2008 11:05:07 AM)
to describe this phenomenon.  I call it Expertise Osmosis.  Under this principle, proximity to anything renders one an expert on that thing.  I live not far from the Pentagon, which accounts for my deep knowledge of all things military, strategic, and bureaucratic.  I'm just waiting for the Joint Chiefs to call me any day now to ask my advice.


Yes. I have a heart (aznew - 9/12/2008 12:39:08 PM)
So, I guess that makes me a qualified cardiologist.

Cut rare by-passes for any of you out there who lack health insurance.



Lowell, This Makes Me An Expert on Energy and Foreign Policy (norman swingvoter - 9/12/2008 9:50:23 PM)
I personally pumped gas into my car the other day.  That makes me a bigger expert on energy than mccain.  I actually lived in a foreign country for almost 2 years.  That must make me an expert on foreign policy.  I have also stayed at a holiday inn so I must be a super expert (referring to a commercial in this area).


OMG! (Pain - 9/11/2008 8:32:20 PM)

I just laughed until I cried and my wife came into the room to see what I can screaming about.  The video is changed to a new 'McCain ad' and it's hilarious.

I saw the original and then clicked on it to watch it again.

Oh. my.



This is class as well (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:45:27 PM)
She's qualified on foreign policy because she (supposedly) knows a thing or two about "energy."

Mr. Gibson noted that the job of vice president is not just about reforming a government but "running a government on a huge international stage in a very dangerous world." He told Ms. Palin he had asked Mr. McCain about her national security credentials and that Mr. McCain had pointed to her commanding of the Alaska National Guard and noted that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

"But it is about reform of government, and it's about putting government back on the side of the people," Ms. Palin responded. She started to talk about energy independence, drawing on her experience with oil and gas development in Alaska, when Mr. Gibson interrupted to say, "National security is a whole lot more than energy."

"It is," she conceded, "but I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security."



That should read "classic" (Lowell - 9/11/2008 8:50:33 PM)
not "class," of which the Republican ticket has none.


Of course (Pain - 9/11/2008 8:45:39 PM)

The conservatives are freaking out. Check out Michelle Malkin's near-hysteria, for instance. Obviously, they know that Sarah Palin just had a meltdown on national TV and there's nothing they can do about it.  Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

Now, when the republicans put Palin in solitary confinement for the remainder of the campaign, it will be because no one will give her a break and they aren't going to play this media game.  I already see it coming.



That video clip with the dubbing is not really fair. (thegools - 9/11/2008 8:56:42 PM)
She clearly is not understanding the topic, but the fake pause does nothing but feed the GOPs hype about how she is being treated.


Yeah, nothing's ever "fair" when it comes to Palin (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:15:21 PM)
Watch the whole interview and/or read the transcript and judge for yourself.  As far as I can tell, all Palin's doing is mouthing her neo-con tutor's talking points, and not very well at that. It's embarrassing.


I don't doubt you are right (thegools - 9/11/2008 9:27:12 PM)
I always like interviews in full as a result.  

It is much harder to mislead (a la McCain with "lipstick") if such speeches and interviews are not sound bites.



Here you go - ENJOY! :) (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:29:31 PM)


she said nuke-you-lurr! (bcat - 9/11/2008 9:40:29 PM)
The first time she said it after the Iran question. She said nuke-you-lurr. Add that to my list up there.


With respect to Conservative reaction (aznew - 9/11/2008 8:57:49 PM)
This was entirely predictable, but I don't think it will wash. The allegation that Gibson distorted her religious views will have a lot of currency with the Religious Right and whip them into fine dungeon, but it is whether Palin comes across to middle America as lacking background in foreign policy that will move the needle.

As for how Republicans should see this so far:

The Good:
On the issue of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, I believe Obama and Biden favor that also. Actually, congrats to Palin for explaining to America just what that means;

The Bad:

When Gibson pressed Palin on Israel, she gave a canned answer four times about not second-guessing Israel's decisions with respect to self-defense. At least in the transcript she comes across as reciting a talking point and unwilling to actually discuss the issue. That said, she is running for Vice President of the United States, and unlike, me, for instance, what she says matters. So, she gets some credit for having the sense not to talk about something of which she is ignorant, where a poor word choice can have long-lasting and lethal consequences;

And the Ugly:

She was obviusly unfamiliar with the Bush Doctrine. I suspect the line by this evening will be, of course Palin knows what the Bush Doctrine is, and for Gibson it was a gotcha moment that demonstrates how biased the press is. Well, sure, if Gibson wants to give Joe Biden a pop quiz on U.S. foreign policy, I won't mind. This will be a tough one to spin outside of the Dittoheads.



That would be "dudgeon" (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:17:06 PM)
not "dungeon," although I wouldn't be surprised if some of the right wingers are into that.  Ha.


LOL n/t (aznew - 9/12/2008 12:04:25 AM)


the beginning of the end of Sarah Palin (Shenandoah Democrat - 9/11/2008 9:09:00 PM)
What more can you say? She's confirmed any doubts--she's an idiot war monger and she will get roasted for her comments,and there are still a few more Gibson interviews to air. I must say I'm surprised that Charlie did such a good job, raising some real qurestions that totally put her off.


I thought he was ok. (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:17:57 PM)
Basically, he asked the questions that any competent journalist would ask.  Congratulations, Charlie!


Charlie (Pain - 9/11/2008 9:20:45 PM)

Yes, Charlie.  Well done, Charlie.  Can I call you Charlie, Charlie?


seriously. gwb in a skirt. (bcat - 9/11/2008 9:33:31 PM)
1. Ultraconservative social views? Check.

2. Sees God in her foreign policy? Check.

3. Belligerent toward other nations? Check.

4. Refuses to back down from obviously false claims? Check.

Sounds very familiar.



I'd rather have Bush for 4 more years (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:35:16 PM)
than this lunatic "a heartbeat away."  


I'll take neither, thanks. :) (Ron1 - 9/11/2008 10:48:00 PM)


The beginning of the end was back when she was revealed (Hugo Estrada - 9/12/2008 10:17:22 AM)
She was DOA, and she would be already finished had the conservative media not played along with the GOP.

On a positive side, a person that I know leaning for McCain is now voting for Obama because he can't believe McCain would pick such an idiot for vice president.



Today's Dan Quayle (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:21:04 PM)


Populism Rampant (Mule - 9/11/2008 9:21:44 PM)
As the rising Palin star suggests, we as a Nation might  be entering a period when the populistic tendencies in American culture overwhelm any remaining notion that there is a legitimate place of educated and experienced elites.  If so, we will be illustrating the cycle that Aristotle spoke of when he noted the tendency of unfettered democracies (i.e., democracies in which elitist views are not tolerated) to degenerate into disarray. God help us.


Faux Populism . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 9:56:06 PM)
The populism of someone like Webb -- real economic populism is one thing.  

In Palin's case and McCain it is impossible to square their "populism" as anything but a continuation of Bush economics, which is pretty much the antithesis of economic populism.  

A person can't be against unions; in favor of the Bush tax code; and believe in unfettered free trade in all cases (except for intervention in man-made bank failures) -- and be considered an economic populist.  Obama and Biden aren't even full fledged populists -- although there policies are likely to do a lot more for working families and the middle class than the alternative in this election.

Palin's populism only goes skin deep.  



This can't be emphasized enough (Ron1 - 9/11/2008 10:51:46 PM)
She's popular in Alaska because she freaking fleeced the oil companies and sent out more dividend checks. We'll see if that affects oil and gas exploration going further; the large oil companies have already says it will (they might be bluffing, might not).

Otherwise she is for every regressive tax in the book, for Bushian economics in general. She left Wasilla in the hole financially (no oil companies to fleece) to build her silly sports stadium.

Dangerous, dangerous politician on so many levels. About the worst combination of traits I can think of ... except for Bush, Cheney, and, sadly, the 2008 version of John McCain (McCain 3.0, I guess).  



If she had fleeced the oil companies . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 11:43:11 PM)
my sense is that they would have vetoed her selection as VP.  Although it will be curious to see what impact it has on exploration.  Her push for opening up Anwar may be a higher priority for big oil than losing some of the royalties of existing sources in the short term.

The TransCanada deal is also one that's a little curious (e.g. my understanding is that the natural gas supplies wouldn't go to the lower 48, but would instead go to Alberta for use in extraction of the countries oil sands deposits.  My sense is that there's probably some more to be learned about this one).

Agreed though that her record as mayor and her statement of economic principles doesn't inspire much confidence.  The email from her hometown too seems to suggests that her priorities are completely out of whack (e.g. she got the town into debt over a money losing sports complex when the town would have been greater served by improving the towns storm drainage and sewer systems).  

She also seems to favor a borrow now, pay later approach as Governor (e.g. she gives away the oil royalties, and uses bonds to fund major projects -- dumping debt on future generations).



Two kinds of populism (Hugo Estrada - 9/12/2008 10:19:52 AM)
There is right wing populism and left wing populism. Left wing populism focuses on the economy; right wing populism on fear and hate.

The GOP have been right wing populists for the last 30 years, while pushing economic regression at the same time.



Why do US-Russian relations always trip 'em up? (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:22:32 PM)


This version's better (Lowell - 9/11/2008 9:48:34 PM)


A few follow-ups . . . (JPTERP - 9/11/2008 10:01:40 PM)
1. Palin mentions that she's never met with a head of state, yet she says that she spoke to the Georgian president Shaakasvilli.  Does she not consider the Georgian president a head of state?

2. The trip to Mexico is a new one.  When did she visit?  What was the purpose of the trip?  Those would have been nice follow-up questions.

3. The idea that we shouldn't second guess Israel is absolutely crazy.  The only time when we are ever obligated to respond militarily is when an ally comes under attack -- not when it launches a pre-emptive strike against another sovereign nation without first receiving explicit U.S. approval (which I read as Congressional authorization).  



Painful (Ingrid - 9/11/2008 10:35:42 PM)
This was painful to watch.  At times the governor sounded like a contestant in one of those "Miss Whatever" contests who struggles to answer a difficult question.  Oh wait...


Charlie! (TheGreenMiles - 9/11/2008 11:04:40 PM)
Charlie! Stop asking me all these hard questions, Charlie! Ask me about eBay, Charlie!


Palin no populist (hereinva - 9/11/2008 11:09:25 PM)
Jim Hightower offered his 2 cents on the subject in an article posted on Alternet

"Populist is not an empty political buzzword that can be attached to someone like Palin, whose campaigns (lieutenant governor, governor and now Veep) are financed and even run by the lobbyists and executives of Big Oil, Wall Street bankers, drug companies, telecom giants and other entrenched economic interests",
.

The fact that she and other GOP leaders mocked community organizers (i.e. persons who work within the grassroots)further demonstrates their hostility towards "the little people".

V.P. for ExxonMobil perhaps, V.P. for the U.S. No!



GOP right wing populists (Hugo Estrada - 9/12/2008 10:26:15 AM)
Again, this is populism, although not the progressive kind that we like.

Like it or not, being in favor of guns and religion is a populist appeal. People identify with that and vote accordingly, because they are lead to believe that they are voting "one of them."

This is what electing the guy you rather have a beer is all about.

We liberals must be aware of this: fighting for the little guy is not good enough. We must show them a reflection of them in us.



MOOSE IN THE HEADLIGHTS (Chris Guy - 9/11/2008 11:52:03 PM)
That is an awesome line!


Roger Ebert on Palin Appeal: "Palin is the American Idol Candidate" (EricByler - 9/12/2008 12:28:08 AM)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/o...

If Charlie Gibson had asked Sarah Palin to define the Bush Doctrine, and waited until she came up with an answer, the campaign would have been over today.



Ebert hit it on the nose. (thegools - 9/12/2008 9:23:49 AM)


Palin's Beauty Queen Babble (Hugo Estrada - 9/12/2008 10:32:09 AM)
Man! I just saw the video, and this is terrible! She is switching to her Miss Alaska beauty queen babble :S

I sort of feel sorry for her...



Hm... (Tiderion - 9/12/2008 8:37:28 PM)
As the good doctor Drew Westen, a psychologist and neuroscientist, stated here
We've seen what happens when "the average person" becomes president. The world is simply too complex to do that again. She wants to be a heartbeat away from becoming the leader of the free world behind a 72 year old man with a recurrent deadly illness and she gives answers like she's in a beauty pageant and hasn't even followed the news enough over the last 6 years to know what the Bush Doctrine is. It's fine for the average person not to know, but it's not fine for someone who could become President at any moment, any more than it's fine for your pediatric oncologist to say, "Ah, gee whiz, I don't read what's in those fancy medical magazines-I just give it my all and pray a lot when I see a sick child." Time for a second opinion.