Sarah Palin: Creationist, Wolf Killer, No Clue What VP Does

By: Lowell
Published On: 8/29/2008 11:47:51 AM

Meet John McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin!

First, she's a creationist:

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Second, she's a wolf killer:

"We are extremely outraged at Governor Palin's decision to reinstate a wolf bounty to entice hunters to kill more wolves in the five control areas as reported in today's Anchorage Daily News. Even worse, we know she is seriously considering allowing wolf killing from helicopters. Bounties have no place in modern wildlife management and undoubtedly would lead to the illegal killing of wolves.

Finally, she has no idea what the VP does (go to 2:50 or so):

"What is it exactly that a VP does every day?"

UPDATE: And it pretty much goes without saying that she has no clue about foreign policy or national security matters. Pretty scary for someone who would be "a heartbeat away" from a 72-year-old man who's had cancer.

UPDATE #2: I just watched her speech in Dayton, Ohio on CSPAN.  I thought she did an excellent job, definitely a good speaker and very attractive candidate. OK, I'm officially worried again. :(

UPDATE #3: Interesting take on the downsides of the Palin pick by conservative Ramesh  Ponnuru of the National Review.

UPDATE #4: She and Glenn Beck both hate polar bears.

UPDATE #5: OK, well, the boys at Red State think she's wonderful because she runs the "largest state in the nation" (that's apparently why it has only 3 electoral votes, btw) and is "a whole lot closer to Russia than Barack Obama ever has been."  So there you have it, she's uniquely qualified to be "one heartbeat away!" :)

UPDATE #6: The Obama-Biden campaign has issued a statement:

We send our congratulations to Governor Sarah Palin and her family on her designation as the republican nominee for Vice President. It is yet another encouraging sign that old barriers are falling in our politics. While we obviously have differences over how best to lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign.


Comments



She'd do a great job (Silence Dogood - 8/29/2008 11:53:12 AM)
mashing his peas for him.


Mr. President... (Pain - 8/29/2008 12:00:00 PM)

...It's time for your enema.


Wrong tactic (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 12:37:40 PM)
If you want to challenge her on the merits, that's fair.  But these insults are not fair and they unjustly minimize her public service.


COMMENT HIDDEN (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 12:40:45 PM)


Exactly, that was a slam on McCain (Lowell - 8/29/2008 12:48:52 PM)
not on Palin.  


How old are you? (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 12:56:37 PM)
You act like such a child.

Suggesting she could mash his peas is not only insulting to McCain, but to her as well.  If you can't see that, you are pretty dense.  Saying that her greatest accolade is that per Wonkette she's a GILF is equally insulting.  Why don't you say that her only worth is her beauty pageant win and she should go back and work in the kitchen?

If you all keep this up, you will play right into McCain's hands.  And this won't turn out to be just a good pick, but a great pick.



What happened? (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 1:02:02 PM)
You used to have some decent things to say. Now you troll for Exxon Mobil and McCain and your big comeback is "you are pretty dense." Disappointing.  


I like the idea (Eric - 8/29/2008 12:56:37 PM)
of judging our politicians on their merits.  I really do.

But what does that have to do with the reality of a campaign?  Do you think for a second that the rethugs are going to play fair and stick to the issues or the facts?  Obama's a Muslim.  Obama will raise taxes.  Barack Osama, ooops, I mean Obama.  

It's going to get ugly and we'd better be ready to give as good as we get.



I'm lost (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 2:00:39 PM)
I don't care what Republicans do.  Their bad behavior is not license for me or anyone to do the same.  Obama can fight ignorance without playing to it.  We can too.


That is great (aznew - 8/29/2008 11:59:25 AM)
This is exactly why you don't pick someone out of nowhere for this position.

They rarely help, but that they can hurt.

The Kudlow interview will be turned into a commercial in about 30 seconds from now.

The creationism stuff tags her as something of a know-nothing, anti-science nut (and I say that as a religious person).

Which explains the choice of the Nutter Center!



It's an exotic pick (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 12:03:06 PM)
If Obama visited an "exotic" locale by going to Hawaii for vacation, I look forward to Palin being called an exotic pick because she's from the far-off land of Alaska. Because, y'know, I would hope the "exotic" thing wasn't a racial comment.


How, for the love of God (Roland the HTG - 8/29/2008 12:09:45 PM)
...is no one talking about the fact that she's a corrupt demagogue?

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

Summary: She's being investigated for an abuse of power scandal, in which she fired numerous police commissioners, for refusing to fire her sister's ex-husband.

This isn't Quayle. This is Eagleton.



Did we read the same article? (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 12:26:01 PM)
This seems really small in comparison to a glowing review of her.  And this one incedent doesn't make her a corrupt demagogue.  


Ok demagogue maybe not (Roland the HTG - 8/29/2008 12:34:43 PM)
But corrupt? Absolutely. When you use the mechanisms of the state bureaucracy to enact revenge for slights against your family, that's Louisiana-level corrupt. Sure, the article spent a lot of time on her positives, but this isn't something to be overlooked. The state legislature has approved $100K for investigating this thing.

Next Obama ad: Clinton talking into a camera about how Sarah Palin and John McCain are rabidly pro-life.

Next one after that: Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin, Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin, Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin. Corrupt Corrupt Corrupt, More of the Same, Corrupt.



Not even on the level of Stevens or Murkowski (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 12:47:42 PM)
They are corrupt.  They use the instruments of state to benefit themselves economically.  They are the dictionary definition of corruption.

Nothing has been proven in this firing.  We have her word and the word of a fired, disgruntled employee.  And even if it was the case that she was trying to exact revenge on her sister's, by all accounts, despicable former husband, that is nowhere near the level of what Murkowski was doing.  And to equate them is to minimize the kind of criminal and horrendous public servant that Frank Murkowski was.  This seems very much on the level of Travelgate.

And I doubt Obama is going to throw up an ad about abortion.  It is still a divisive issue and something more likely to energize the Republican base.



Consider a different POV... (Bwana - 8/29/2008 2:27:24 PM)
...if the investigation shows that the former brother in law did taser his son, did threaten Sarah Palin's father, and (according to some sources) was physically abusive to his wife, then I have a feeling a lot of women will see her behavior as courageous, not corrupt


If she used her power as governor (aznew - 8/29/2008 2:32:26 PM)
to settle a personal family score, it is wrong. Never mind whether the guy deserved it or not.


Agreed. (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 3:20:35 PM)
If the former brother in law did in fact do those things, there is a formal process of review that should have been applied -- not a decision made unilaterally in the Governor's mansion.  Especially not in the case where the Governor has a personal stake in a particular outcome.  


Wrong? Sure. But... (Bwana - 8/29/2008 8:43:46 PM)
...that doesn't mean that it will settle negatively with voters.  

An investigation has not found her to have done anything wrong.  My point is that regardless of what the investigation finds, I bet that folks are going to react to someone sticking up for their family in a very different way than if she had taken a bribe.

Voting is so frequently a matter of perception and emotion and just gut feeling...and I suggest that even if the investigation says she did something wrong, many are not going to hold it against her.



It turns out . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 9:06:32 PM)
that there WAS a formal process that was applied -- and the brother-in-law kept his job despite the accusations (which were leveled in the context of a custody dispute).

The heart of the ethics investigation is over the firing of her brother-in-law's boss -- the former Chief of Police in Anchorage.

Some background on this one . . .

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/...  

At this point the investigation into the firing is still on-going so we really can't say one way or another what the finding will be.

But after the past 8 years, I think there probably will be some voters who care about abuse of power issues -- even ones that don't involve financial impropriety.

I agree with you regarding perception and emotion.  I think Palin will come across as likeable and personable -- and for some voters this will be all that it takes.  



Too attractive? (Kindler - 8/29/2008 12:25:54 PM)
I give McCain credit for taking a big risk on an unexpected choice.

But I have to ask -- is she simply too good-looking, to the point of being a distraction?  Will anyone even notice the "wrinkly white-haired guy" with such a stunning beauty next to him?  



McCain says she was a point guard (aznew - 8/29/2008 12:26:24 PM)
But I'll bet that even with that lame jumper of his that Obama can kick her ass in one-on-one.


That arena is only half full.. (ericy - 8/29/2008 12:28:07 PM)

When the camera pulls back the upper seats are all empty.


Alaska = smaller population than 16 U.S. cities... (Kindler - 8/29/2008 12:37:05 PM)
...including Austin, Jacksonville, Columbus, Indianapolis and San Jose.

But I'm sure she's ready to lead!



Whoa (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 12:41:59 PM)
Is that the biggest flag pin you've ever seen in your life or what???


And where's McCain's? Is he a freedom hater? (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 12:43:26 PM)


Big Oil's Slate is Complete (Eileen Levandoski - 8/29/2008 12:45:09 PM)
Sierra Club Executive Director Carl Pope issues the following statement in reaction to Senator McCain's pick of Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President:

"With the pick of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for his running mate, John McCain's race towards the Bush administration's failed energy policy is now complete."

"John McCain was once willing to stand up to his own party, but now that he is running for President, he supports the same Bush policies and powerful special interests that put us in the grip of the oil companies. One of the last remaining independent policies putting him at odds with Bush was his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, yet he has now picked a running mate who has opposed holding Big Oil accountable and been dismissive of alternative energy while focusing her work on more oil drilling in a wildlife refuge and off of our coasts."

"Palin herself told Roll Call earlier this week, 'When I look every day, the big oil company's building is right out there next to me, and it's quite a reminder that we should have mutually beneficial relationships with the oil industry.'"  (Roll Call, 8/25/08)

"No one is closer to the the oil industry than Governor Palin.  Along with her support for drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge and off our coasts, she also opposes a windfall profit tax on the richest oil companies. Under her leadership, Alaska has sued the federal government for considering listing the Polar Bear as a threatened species even though global warming threatens its very existence. She has been dismissive of alternative energy, saying "alternative-energy solutions are far from imminent and would require more than 10 years to develop" (The Post and Courier Charleston, SC, 8/16/08), when in reality it is the oil she would like to drill that would take a decade to bring to market."

"Senator McCain has lost any chance of having a balanced or moderate ticket with this choice and has instead opted for the same, business-as-usual reliance on the outdated oil companies that has been the hallmark of the Bush-Cheney administration. On the third anniversary of the hurricane that knocked loose oil rigs and spilled millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf Coast that is bracing for another hit, McCain is sending a terribly indifferent message by selecting a candidate who only repeats Big Oil's talking points."

"Senators Obama and Biden share the common goals of putting America back to work by building a balanced clean energy economy, taking on Big Oil and meeting the challenge of global warming. Under their leadership, our economy can become stronger, and our world cleaner and safer."



The Sierra Club Has Its Facts Wrong (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 1:47:42 PM)
Following an FBI sting in 2007 that exposed corruption between certain politicians, lobbyists, and Big Oil in rigging the 2006 state tax bill to favor Big Oil, the Christian Science Monitor reported on December 12, 2007:

One decisive response to the scandal came last month, when the legislature rewrote the 2006 tax bill that critics say was hopelessly tainted. Gov. Sarah Palin, a reform-minded Republican who has clashed famously with her party's establishment, called for the special session to "restore public trust in our oil and gas value system."

The oil-tax bill that resulted - passed Nov. 16 - raised overall rates, tightened allowances for deductions and investment credits, and closed loopholes. Gone, for example, are credits for investments made several years ago and the ability of companies to write off public-relations and lobbying expenses. The measure includes an explicit ban on credits or deductions for costs of repairing or replacing improperly maintained equipment.

"We didn't blink," says Senate Judiciary Chairman Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat. "You just don't see the sort of reflex subservience that you saw in the '70s, '80s, and even '90s."

Meanwhile, stunned oil companies say the new tax bill, estimated to bring in an extra $1.5 billion in annual state revenues, is a money grab.

"You can't tell me that [this is] anything more than a feeding frenzy," Jim Bowles, president of ConocoPhillips Alaska Inc., said at an industry conference last month in Anchorage.

"It feels like the oil and gas industry is the enemy," Doug Suttles, president of BP Exploration (Alaska) Inc., said at the conference.

Palin is hardly in the pocket of Big Oil.  In Alaska she is their enemy.



Here Is the Link (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 1:50:19 PM)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/...


Typical Knee-Jerk Reaction, Greenie (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 2:29:01 PM)
Down rate a comment that you don't agree with, but post nothing in rebuttal.


I rated you high, HisRoc (AnonymousIsAWoman - 8/29/2008 3:24:49 PM)
I don't like Sarah Palin either, but I saw the piece you quoted.  I think it was unfair of Miles to "shoot the messenger" because he didn't like the message.  

Sarah Palin is no friend to environmentalists and she may have abused her power as a governor to help her sister but we can criticize her fairly and accurately.  We don't have to distort her record or turn her into a monster.  She's just unqualified to be VP and it reflects badly on McCain's judgment.



Thank You (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 4:41:45 PM)
We don't have to distort her record or turn her into a monster.

That is my point, entirely.  When we reach too far in our criticisms and stretch or misrepresent the facts, they we leave ourselves open to rebuttal and ridicule by the neo-cons.  There is plenty about Palin to criticize without misrepresenting her record or (worse) stooping to mysogynistic smears.

That is my beef with the Sierra Club--they often fail to get their facts straight and either support the wrong candidate for the wrong reasons, or accidentally support the right candidates but put statements out there that are easily refutable.

I am an environmentalist, but I have never belonged to the Sierra Club for the same reason that I am a gun owner but have never belonged to the NRA (or, God forbid, the GOA).  Some groups go over the top trying to support a worthy cause and do more damage than good in the process.  



wolf killer ? (loboforestal - 8/29/2008 12:53:19 PM)
(shudders)


I guess this means Blitzer won't moderate the VP debate. n/t (Randy Klear - 8/29/2008 8:22:22 PM)


First VP candidate to do a photo shoot for Vogue? (Kindler - 8/29/2008 12:56:14 PM)
I think it must've been this cover that convinced McCain to make this pick.

Looks like a good born again Christian to me!



Oops. (Great Blue - 8/29/2008 3:01:30 PM)
There goes the celebrity issue.  Obama's never been on the cover of Vogue.


Her face looks like it was photoshopped on (Roland the HTG - 8/29/2008 6:43:13 PM)
And badly.

Discuss.



What gave it away? (Pain - 8/29/2008 6:45:49 PM)

Perhaps it was the statement in the post that said it was photoshopped, or was it something else?


Ah (Roland the HTG - 8/30/2008 1:25:36 AM)
Didn't see that. Touche, Rupert, touche.


There goes the neighborhood (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 1:20:55 PM)
For all of those who think she is a light weight; she just delivered one democrat conservative vote for McCain as as soon as the speech was finished my wife called me from work as she and six other co-workers were left asking where this woman came from and where have the Repugs been hiding her. Union background, five kids, one in the military (Army) and a fighter....good luck going after that woman. Evidently, she has a great realtionship the our good ole Gov of Montana as well as the establishment in Idaho and Colorado. Better be relthinking that western strategy in the coal, natural gas states my friends.


By the way (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 1:23:49 PM)
As I was just informed, her husband and a majority of the oil industry out there on the rigs and the North Slope and the Gulf are union workers. Could a message coming from her and her husband swing that vote? Exactly how many union workers are there in the oil/gas industry? Anybody got any data on that?


So the actual fiercely anti-union stances of the Repubs don't matter? (Kindler - 8/29/2008 2:34:07 PM)


Not sure, the policies (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 6:01:03 PM)
have not seem to be working for the Dems in Michigan with the auto industry. Tell that to the union workers of GM. I expect a two fron attack by Palin and Romney in Michigan and Ohio & PA. And McCain so it is being reported now on CNN is anti-union light compared to other repugs so it will get interesting.


Jim Gilmore also has a union background (AnonymousIsAWoman - 8/29/2008 3:39:31 PM)
His father was a meat cutter and a member of their union.  Yet that doesn't stop him from being against the Employee Free Choice Act and for Right to Work.

Union members think it's important where you stand on the issues, not what your mother and father did.  Likewise, women who are concerned about women's rights, equal pay for equal work, the right to contraception and to decide whether to have an abortion, etc., care more about whether you support them on the issues than what your gender is.

Indy4all, I suspect your wife wasn't going to vote for Barack Obama or, for that matter, for Hillary Clinton regardless.



Wrong (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 11:06:11 PM)
She supported Clinton in the Va Primary, but is like myself does not believe in the politcizing of the abortion issue even though she is Catholic. MSNBC likes to spin that all Hillary voters are pro-choice and thats just not true at all. There are conservative Democrats who are pro-life. All you have to do is look at the coalition of forces the Clintons put togther in Arkansas decades ago with pro-life and pro-choice Dems. So your suspicion is misguided.


Any woman will do... (Indievoter - 8/29/2008 1:23:31 PM)
Is this the only female Republican they could find? Picking Palin says the GOP thinks having a woman, any woman, on the ticket is what it takes. And they appear to have picked Anywoman.


and it isnt working thus far (Tiderion - 8/29/2008 11:52:17 PM)
or so it seems.


There Is A Very Nasty Undertone Here (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 1:25:07 PM)
Nasty undertone and not too subtile in some of these comments.  If McCain had picked an African-American and someone made the equivilent comments about him, they would immediately (and correctly) be condemned as racist.  Mild example:  "Maybe Mike Steele can shine McCain's shoes."  Is that any worse than the "mashing peas and enema" comments, as if Palin is nothing more than a nurse's aide.

I notice that the usual posters here who are women are strangely silent today.    



I'm glad somebody else noticed (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 2:11:01 PM)
n/t


Worried, huh? (Eric - 8/29/2008 1:25:48 PM)
Perhaps some concern is merited.  But I'm seeing it play more like this:

1. Initial reaction from almost everyone: WTF?  And with that comes the Democrats anticipating a steamroll.

2. Palin surprises everyone with a good showing.  Probably speaks well, has some "good" ideas (the ones she's allowed to say), and even being attractive will help.  Nice spike upwards for McCain.

3. Over time her good standing is chipped away through legitimate and illegitimate attacks from left and right, and through the details about the things she's not supposed to emphasize (almost total lack of experience, no on women's rights, big oil lover, creationism, etc) that make her look like Dubya.

Bottomline - I'm predicting (well, hoping at least) that she'll be more impressive than most have initially given her credit for but then slowly she'll be torn down to the point where she doesn't help, and perhaps even hurts, the ticket.  



What does (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 2:10:06 PM)
her appearance have to do with anything?  I find it odd that this comes up for her.  I have never seen anyone on here mention the relative attractiveness of any male politician.  I find it curious that this is mentioned as a bonus point for her.

It just smacks of sexism is all.  It's like a male boss to a female hire: "Stand up and turn around for me."  It's like the media talking about the neck line of Hillary's dresses.  



are you kidding? (Cliff Garstang - 8/29/2008 2:23:41 PM)
The only thing Quayle had going for him was that he looked nice, and that's the only thing nice anyone could say about him. Likewise you hear it about Romney all the time. Appearance has been a factor since the advent of TV, and until we all go blind it will stay that way.


Yes, and frequently mentioned about John Edwards as well (Kindler - 8/29/2008 2:38:09 PM)


That's actually (Silence Dogood - 8/29/2008 2:42:03 PM)
precisely why McCain thought Quayle was a brilliant VP choice back in 1988, according to the Detroit Free Press.


Hold on there (Eric - 8/29/2008 2:48:50 PM)
I wasn't headed down the sexism route at all.  

Someone, male or female, who is attractive will generally get more positive attention than someone who is not.  Whether we're talking politics, Hollywood, or high school, being attractive is usually an advantage.  Sure, that's not true in absolutely every situation, but in general it is true.  And that's all I meant.



There's tons of research on this subject (Lowell - 8/29/2008 3:06:21 PM)
For instance, check out this article. The bottom line is that people are VERY MUCH swayed by peoples' appearances, good and bad.  They are swayed by people's height, weight, etc. It also works the other way, where success affects people's perception of attractiveness.  I'm not saying this is a "good" thing, just that it's the way people are.


Looks can work against you if you're too "pretty" (Lowell - 8/29/2008 3:24:19 PM)
Anecdotally, I've had numerous people tell me they don't like John Edwards because he's a "pretty boy." What does that mean, exactly?  Got me, but it obviously taps into the reptilian brain at some point.


Correct. (Tiderion - 8/29/2008 11:59:11 PM)
No, we judge the appearances of everyone in the public eye. America generally prefers the taller candidate. Notice how many politicians have a similar haircut. We like a little grey or white hair in our elder statesmen but not the mucky kind. So it isn't sexism that we judge Palin. It could only be sexist because we haven't enough women to judge.


Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck show (Lowell - 8/29/2008 1:32:02 PM)
Apparently she's his hero because she's suing the federal government regarding the possible listing of the polar bear as endangered. Wonderful.



The woman is impressive (Teddy - 8/29/2008 1:52:19 PM)
Guys, she has everything, and I do mean everything, McCain needs in a V.P. Better watch out. She could well cut voluble Joe Biden off at the knees. Clever choice.


Completely missing the point (TheGreenMiles - 8/29/2008 2:19:13 PM)
She has everything McCain needs politically and nothing America needs in a president. There's a difference.


Palin will probably be a train wreck (aznew - 8/29/2008 2:25:45 PM)
She is a hail mary pass.

So, there is a 1% chance this works.

Look, part of politics is natural ability. Part of it is a learned skill. Palin is probably not ready for a national campaign.



Please define 'everything'. (Barbara - 8/29/2008 2:27:47 PM)
Because frankly I just don't see it.  Gender alone is not enough to sway former Hillary backers, and although her pro-life stance will probably please Rush & friends, that's not enough either.  I think she's a poor choice picked for very obvious reasons that will come back to haunt them.

No way she cuts Biden at the knees.

Here's a quote I liked from a Yahoo article

She has more experience catching fish than dealing with foreign policy or national affairs.
 And that will come back to haunt them too.  


Here's what Obama needs to say: (Gezi - 8/29/2008 1:36:24 PM)
"This is a great pick, and shows that Senator McCain has come around to the idea that it is judgment, leadership, and talent - NOT years of experience - that makes someone ready to be President"


Obama campaign reacts (Lowell - 8/29/2008 1:45:13 PM)
Marc Ambinder reports on reaction to the Palin pick from the Obama campaign:

"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.  Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," said Bill Burton, Obama Campaign Spokesman.


Maybe she offered to take a pay cut... (Bill Carlin - 8/29/2008 1:48:07 PM)
of 25-30% in solidarity with American victims of the "glass ceiling".  

Maybe this is a good time to bring up the Equal Rights Amendment :)

TalkingPointsMemo has put together a lot of material in a short time.  My favorites are that she sets McSame up for an ANWR flip-flop and his campaign has to abandon the "experience" issue.  

If "TrooperGate" becomes too painful will he throw her under the bus or will he comply with the time honored NeoCon principle of sticking to a decision no matter how blindingly obvious proof to the contrary may be.



Red State . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 2:15:37 PM)
wrong -- Obama actually traveled to Russia with Lugar in 2005.  Not that those facts matter.

In the same category I just heard one of our local state GOPers -- Jeff Frederick -- state on Kojo Nnamdi's show on NPR that Palin was the first female VP selection in U.S. history!!!  

1984 wasn't that long ago.  



Alaska federal subsidies . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 2:26:45 PM)
I'm curious to see how McCain will square his "no earmarks" remarks and "wasteful government spending" with a state which receives the highest level of per capita government money in the U.S.  Is McCain planning to eliminate the federal feeding trough in Alaska, or is this just some more McHypocrisy?


Palin serves as a great counterpoint to that (tx2vadem - 8/29/2008 3:23:08 PM)
She ended Ted Steven's Bridge to Nowhere by pulling out the state funding.  She is known for deep-sixing pork projects.  And her reason for wanting more exploration and production is that she wants to get Alaska off its dependence on federal funds.  So, I don't think that will materialize as much of a problem for McCain in this pick.  She underscores his fiscal message in that regard.


That's a bit of revisionism . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 3:34:19 PM)
TNR has some backstory on the decision.  Apparently Palin was for the bridge in 2006.  

Once the federal funding was pulled, however, she decided that she didn't want to use state money to get the job done.

In other words, she was for it before she was against it.  

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs...



This is exactly what I mean when I say she's not ready (aznew - 8/29/2008 3:44:56 PM)
I predict this one will make it through the noise and become an issue. It is the kind of simple issue our very astute national press corps can wrap their incredible minds around.

I mean, 4 hours in, and there's already a gotcha.

This is an amateurish mistake.



ugh (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 5:56:49 PM)
85% of the State revenues come from the oil/gas. The State Consitution mandates the resources below belong to the citizens of AL. Thats where the subsidy comes us. The also so I have been informed have one of the best conservation records of any state in the Union. She I believe announced plans early this to use surplus funds due to the rising cost of oil to move forward with wind renewable and tide technology. Dont ever enter a gun fight with a knife. She may of course have to threaten the caribou I guess to put up those wind farms so all I guess is not rosey!


Wow (notwaltertejada - 8/29/2008 2:37:15 PM)
interesting to see an agent of change for the gop pick. this is definitely a very historic moment in politics.


McCain: brave or reckless? (Kindler - 8/29/2008 2:43:41 PM)
This was an exciting but risky pick for McCain, which raises the key question about his judgement -- he may be brave, but does he take it to point of recklessness?

Palin is a fascinating pick in many ways, and helps him in some respects.  But the #1 question for a VP candidate is whether she is ready and suited to be president.  I have a feeling that the McCain campaign is going to have to abandon the whole "3 am phone call" line of attack with Ms. Palin on the ticket.



Another problem with a neophyte as a running mate (aznew - 8/29/2008 2:52:08 PM)
Who knows how she will deal with the national press corps which, whatever problems we have with them, is bound to be more competent, more competitive and more aggressive than the media in Alaska.

And that's not to mention the thousand or so bloggers looking through her dirty laundry.

Like I say, a hail mary.

Interesting that the McCain team thought they needed a hail mary. We're only just starting the second quarter of the game.  



And I'm not quite sure what to make of this (aznew - 8/29/2008 3:47:32 PM)
Palin talking about Clinton's "whining"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...



This choice was actually brilliant (desfido - 8/29/2008 4:27:40 PM)
She doesn't appeal to most readers of RK. And she's not supposed to, she's supposed to appeal to the GOP base, and she's supposed to help McCain reinvigorate the perception of him as a maverick and independent, while also helping to minimize the perception Obama was trying to re-enforce of an old guy who will only keep doing the same old things that have been tried and failed.

And NPR's reporting was almost exactly following those points. They were all surprised and doubtful, and that's exactly part of what McCain was trying to do.

In addition to upstaging Obama's excellent speech, McCain has undercut one of its attacks while reestablishing what made him a strong candidate: the perception of him as a maverick. Obama's very good points about why McCain is not a maverick will likely be overshadowed by the perception created by this pick.

It doesn't matter that it's actually a much "safer" pick for appealing to the base than Lieberman or Ridge would've been. It seems to be risky, and unconventional. That's what McCain was selling, and that seems to be what the media and most people who weren't already strongly committed are buying (based, admittedly, on my anecdotal evidence of the news I've seen on it, and the people I've talked to in person today about it).

Honestly, the McCain campaign has suddenly stepped up its game with regards to steering public perception and the media.

Also, don't buy into the inexperience frame -- you're playing McCain's game, it lets McCain/Palin be the victim. Don't try to minimize her achievements -- it seems condescending to dismiss public service in Alaska due to the lower population; that plays into the GOP's hands w/r/t the elitist frame. Talk about the hypocrisy of McCain's attacks on Obama's experience, use it to emphasizes how he flip flops for political gain. Talk about her ethics issue w/ regard to her sister's ex-husband. Things like that.

PS. Seriously, I believe that it's not intentional, but guys, think more carefully about some of the jokes and comments, they really do sound sexist.



This analysis has it quite backwards, IMHO (aznew - 8/29/2008 4:41:30 PM)
Yes, the Palin choice is designed to appeal to the base. But McCain cannot win this election with an appeal to the base, because self-identified Democrats exceed self-identified Republicans by 14 or 15 points.

Since 2004, when George Bush used this strategy, the Republican base has shrunk, while the Democratic base has grown.

As for being a maverick, that is, first of all, spin. In truth, McCain was never a maverick.

But that aside, this pick is not an example of maverick behavior, but an example of poor judgment. Indeed, you note that this is the "safe" pick, but then stte that doesn't matter with respect to its magical maverick qualities. This just makes no sense. The anecdotal evidence you are seeing more than likely reflects the surprise at the pick, nothing else.

As for the inexperience frame, the argument does not play into GOP hands and allow Palin to be the victim. Rather, the Palin pick takes away what has so far been McCain's single argument against Obama - his alleged inexperience. Can he possibly argue that Obama is not fit to be president while simultaneously arguing that Palin is absolutely qualified to be a 73 year-old heart beat away?

Finally, going from Alaska to the crucible of a national election is going to be very difficult. Perhaps she is up to it, but I wouldn't bet on it. Decades of experience in modern presidential campaigns suggests that she will be chewed up and spit out before this is all over. Every national candidate has to explain gaffes and unflattering events from their past. This takes time. Palin will have only two months.

Don't be fooled by the carefully stage-managed (yet still bizzare) show you saw today. Wait until the Obama campaign starts to define her. Wait until the blogs start slamming her. Wait until some TV reporter decides to make his or her bones by catching her in a gotcha moment for which she is totally unprepared.

Barring some major error by the Obama/Biden ticket, this thing is beginning to look like Obama will win pretty handily, with well over 330 electoral votes.



Here's a frame (Lowell - 8/29/2008 4:57:11 PM)
McCain would rather win an election than safeguard the country, because obviously Sarah Palin is not qualified to be Commander in Chief if something happens to McCain.  And, based on his attacks against Obama, you'd have to think that McCain sees it that way as well.  So...why did he pick her? Only one explanation: he wants to win the election, period.


I like this one (desfido - 8/29/2008 5:27:20 PM)
I would de-emphasize the "Palin isn't qualified" bit, and put it more about McCain as a political animal and a hypocrite, but I think that's a good strategy.


Fair points, but I stand by what I said (for now) (desfido - 8/29/2008 5:17:54 PM)
I agree that McCain is not actually a maverick. But for a really, really long time, that's how he's been described. Most of the time in the news, he will be referred to as "the maverick senator from Arizona". It's not an accurate characterization, but that's the perception, particularly among those who don't pay too much attention to politics (which, frankly, seems to be an awful lot of people outside the DC/MD/VA area --- I spent the summer doing an internship in New York City, and hardly anyone had any idea what was going on, and it's not exactly hard to find out there).

People in the base (of either major party) seem to pay a reasonable amount of attention to politics, or just trust the party. So, those in the GOP base who look will think she's great. Those who are independents will hear how unusual a choice it is, probably while hearing her referred to as a party and Washington outsider, and it'll go towards the image of McCain as a maverick. A lot of people either don't care enough or don't have enough time to dig deeper.

I agree that Palin does take away the experience argument -- just not if it's played the same way McCain played it, but with Palin. I think that McCain's hypocrisy needs to be emphasized, more that Palin's inexperience. Emphasizing her inexperience lets the GOP way of how people think of the issue be the standing one, which reminds them subtly of the GOP's original point, and reinforces it.

I do agree that the lack of political experience on the national stage may lead to problems for the McCain/Palin campaign, and I must admit that I'm looking forward to the VP debate, since Biden is just so awesome at that stuff.

But I don't agree that this was some kind of gift to Obama/Biden. I think that this election will be a close one, and I think that a choice like this is one really does manage to help with support among both the base and independents. I know it seems contradictory, but I really think it only seems that way if one assumes everyone is paying as much attention to politics as people who follow this blog.



99% of Americans are NOT (Lowell - 8/29/2008 5:22:02 PM)
"paying as much attention to politics as people who follow this blog," which is exactly why the Palin choice worries me. But the bottom line is that she is not even remotely qualified to be Commander in Chief.  In fact, the mere thought of that prospect should give everyone - Democrats, Independents, Republicans, all Americans - the willies.  This pick also demonstrates that John McCain, notwithstanding his past heroism, today has put his own political career ahead of what's good for America.  Unless, that is, he really believes that Sarah Palin is ready to be Commander in Chief, and if that's the case, then he's got other issues we need to be seriously concerned about.


Lowell, logic does not follow (Indy4all - 8/29/2008 11:14:07 PM)
We have not had a President by all tense in purposes who has been ready to be Commander in Chief since Bush senior. The arguement is baseless. Reagan was not ready either and preformed well in the role. Clinton was not ready either and did no harm. George Bush was not ready either and of course bungled it, but then he at least had exec experience like Reagan and Clinton at the State level and the Guard. Was Al Gore ready to be C-inC? No. Biden and John Mccain are the only two people that can claim such "qualification" in my view. Obama is not ready to be C-in-C either based on qualification; he certainly his qulaified to "lead" and has proven his statesmanlike abilities, but that does not "qualify" you to be C-inC. Seems to me we have two ready to go and two not ready at all; those being Obama and Palin. But such is America. FDR was not ready to be C-inC either and did just fine don't ya think?


Qualifications . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 11:25:36 PM)
In both the case of Reagan and Clinton -- they made some blunders in their early years.  Reagan in Lebanon, Clinton in Somalia (although in fairness, Clinton inherited Somalia from George H.W. Bush).  I agree in some sense that some are more qualified for the position than others.

I'm curious though -- in your view -- what exactly qualifies a person to be Commander-in-Chief?



Sure thing (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 12:00:58 AM)
Commander in Chief while of course is representative of an elected commander of the military with responsibilities mandated by the Constitution, Executive etc. The only folks that are 100% "qualified" are those that have served in the military itself; say Eisenhower for example. But being "qualified" in this manner is meaningless and has nothing to do with it given what qualifies a President is simply the will of the people. Its all smoke and mirrors for anyone that has not been actual military leader. Say Colin Powell, Tommy Franks, Stormin Norman, Wesley Clark all "qualified" to be CinC, maybe not qualified to be President, but CinC they are 100% good to go.
I gave GHWB a pass really because of his long time service in Washington more so than his military service as a fighter pilot. In this case I do not think Mccain would qualify simply because of his service as a fighter pilot, but his long service and experience like Biden I think paves the way. We like to think that Gov. have this command control ability to be CinC but in reality they do not and in fact most Presidents do not; thats why the Joints have been so vital. I wonder why it is these folks do not get vetted more, afterall many Presidents have relied on these folks for the real guidance.
The CinC is role is one taken on faith by the American people when looking at anyone who has never served in a command position in the military. You can't argue that one Gov. is more qualified than another and you can't argue that a one time Senators, no matter what committee they serve makes them 100% qualified. Think if we used the same logic behind confirming appointees for other positions for CinC? It would be very scary because purely based on qualifications only a small number of our Presidents have been 100% qualified. But again its a civilian distinction that always gets used as a wedge.
Besides I have had no real issue with George Bush as CinC, its the folks behind the curtain or the folks pulling the strings at the circus that have always scared me the most.


Interesting point . . . (JPTERP - 8/30/2008 12:23:37 AM)
my own take is that the executive experience is less important than foreign policy experience.  

It matters, but when you figure that Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush all had executive experience as Governors -- I think that the experience doesn't necessarily mean that the president has exposure to foreign policy questions, or considered views on foreign policy.  Some of that seems to come later.

Judgment and temperament also weigh in the balance.

As far as Obama goes, one of the interesting parts of his background is the foreign travel as a young man -- including what I understand was a trip to Pakistan when his mother was doing some work in the country.  It'll give him a perspective on issues at the ground level that no president has had before on international issues.  The years spent with Lugar and Biden on the Foreign Relations committee and trips to places like Russia, Europe, Kenya, Iraq, and Afghanistan all should help.

In the case of McCain, I'm reminded a bit of some words of caution from a neighbor growing up.  My neighbor had served in the Army during the Battle of the Bulge.  He talked about the importance of having leaders -- especially military leaders -- who understood the current reality of war (e.g. changes in technology).  He talked about how old generals often entered conflicts with a mindset focused on past conflicts -- that the wisdom gained from trench war-fare, for example -- didn't have much application to the conflicts on most fronts during WWII.  What often happened was that those leaders ended up making mistakes early, and then being supplanted by new leaders along the way.

I think McCain's ignorance regarding technology in particular presents some huge hurdles in terms of his ability to get his head around some of the de-centralized threats that we face in the current era.  Obama has a solid grasp of these issues -- and I think someone like Biden will be an excellent complement.  In the case of McCain, he's relying on Bush's Neoconservative advisers for his foreign policy positions, and he now has a VP whose first experience with foreign travel was in 2007.  Even in reference to Iraq she had no opinion on the Surge strategy.  It worries me that someone that close to the presidency could be in a position to make life and death decisions on matters which she hasn't even begun to consider.  



I am not as concerned about opinions (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 8:35:07 AM)
Social conservative views aside with regard to Palin for a moment, it does not concern me about not having refined views on world issues as a Governor. If you ever attend a National Governors conference there is never talk or discussion about Iraq and such endeavors other than the context of funding for National Guards or rolling tours by citizen soldiers. I like the fact that a Governor concentrates on their State and does not get involved at Federal level politics. You think Kaine has been minding the store here in Virginia since this campaign began effectively? His head has been elsewhere and thats why we have no change or transportation solutions or budget plans.
I believe the isisue is one of character and judgement; call it the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People race.
I agree that the key is the advisor scenario but this is always the case in Washington, but in the end we have to look at a record of achievements regarding balancing all the facts and making descisions based on judgement.
In this regard I think we have four very well prepared people.
My wife pointed out that the counter path never guarantees success either. Look at exec experienced Mayor Wilder and gridlock in City of Richmond. All that experience wasted on a broken bueracracy.


The venom on here is not becoming (Friend - 8/29/2008 4:48:02 PM)
to those who profess to belong to a "big tent" party.  In reality, Palin would feel at home in the Virginia Democratic Party . . . of Webb, Warner, Kaine, Beyer, Terry and many others, and she would be right at home with the Blue Dogs in Congress.  Some of you may not like the comparisons but so be it.  

I agree with those on this thread who think she is a brilliant pick for McCain.  She supported domestic partner benefits and though she is pro-drilling, she has been roundly criticized by Big Oil.  

I predict that this woman will prove to be a tough competitor and I for one think that MI, OH, PA, VA and WV just got more complicated for ObamaBiden.  Her life story is no less an American story than the examples Obama cited last night and Biden has cited all week.  The class warfare card has been played and trumped.

To me, this puts the election squarely back into the issues debate which is where it ought to be.  How can you beat up the old cancer survivor as being too old and out of touch and then spit on him for picking a woman in her 40s?  There is a lot of latent sexism and ageism going on here.

Apparently some of you did not listen closely enough to the speeches this week.



Nothing ageist (aznew - 8/29/2008 4:57:32 PM)
Rather, the fact that McCain is 73 and has had cancer is a legitimate concern. He may not live through his term.

In light of that, his VP matters a lot.

As for venom, you don't get around the web much, do you. If you want to see venom, go check out Free Republic or virtually any right wing site. This site has not been at all venomous, although I'm sure you could cherry pick a few exceptions.

What you are seeing here is ridicule. Is it nice? No, it's politics. But ridicule is a very acceptable and often effective tactic. McCain is sure using it.



Actually (Friend - 8/29/2008 6:51:51 PM)
I get around the web a lot, and I do read both sides (being a free thinker has its price).

I must have been mistaken to believe that this brand of Democrats would have higher standards than Free Republic.

Seriously, folks, there are a lot of centrists and conservatives in the Democratic Party or who want to be -- ask Jim Webb.  If you are content to be the party of 35% then just keep this sh*t up.



Well, everyone thinks they are a "free thinker" (aznew - 8/29/2008 7:01:22 PM)
The point was that there was very little venom here, although a fair amount of ridicule. Was some of it sexist? Probably. Nasty? I didn't think so.

I personally try to refrain from that sort of stuff on RK, but I admit to enjoying it and laughing at it. As John McCain says, get a sense of humor.  Perhaps it's just my closed mind.

As for centrists and conservatives, they are welcome in the Democratic Party, but to tell you the truth, if you think Palin's positions are okay, then you probably won't want to be a Democrat, as a general matter, given the national party platform.

She wants to outlaw ALL abortions, even in cases of rape and incest.

She favors teaching creationism in public school science classes.

She is unsure if humans cause global warming.

She is not a Conservative. She is an extremist.



If you don't want my vote, fine -- McCain gave me a reason to go somewhere else (Friend - 8/29/2008 8:31:28 PM)
Whether it is right or wrong or you like it or not, the fact is that to get elected your candidate needs people like me, who believe in equality of educational and economic opportunity, justice and fair play, but due to Faith and perhaps a more skeptical or even healthier inquisitiveness, do not agree with every plank in a piece of crap party platform written by a handful of dorks and insiders.

I favor teaching creationism in public schools but am open to which discipline . . . alongside Darwinism and other theories.  

Just 20 years ago popular scientists told us that a global cooling period about to commence.  I am frankly not enough of a scientist to believe that climate change is a fact or that its causes are completely or susbtantially anthropengic, but I am concerned enough about the risks to assume so, within reason.

Forgive me, but this person who votes with your party often has a right to say that.  If you don't want my vote, I can take it.  And I can go somewhere else.  Sulk if you like.

I really could care less about your OPINION as to what is a conservative or extremist.  Your inability to even consider the alternatives makes you, in my OPINION, an extremist.  So there.  We have different opinions.



Creationism in public schools? (aznew - 8/29/2008 9:31:56 PM)
Why don't we just toss out the Constitution and have a bible study class.

Creationism is fundamentalist Christianity, nothing more, nothing less. If folks wish to believe it, fine, but it does not belong in a public school alongside Evolution or any other science.

As for climate change, well, I'm not a scientist either. But when virtually every single scientist (except for those on the payroll of oil companies and other financial interests that profit from the burning of fossil fuels) has reached the same conclusion, well, I think that's pretty strong evidence. At a minimum, I don't want a public official who thinks there is a legitimate scientific dispute over the issue, because there is not.

As for whether she is an extremist, I realize it is my opinion. Whether you care or not about it is certainly your right.

But none of this changes the fact that you mischaracterized earlier comments here as venomous. They were nothing of the sort.



Its coming was likely (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 6:11:14 PM)
There will be challenges I think in the coming years as so-called bible clubs are being formed and with permissions from parents want to be able to have the right to organize in public schools. Stay tuned. It could get interesting. If you cannot force them out of State supported colleges and universities, I wonder how they will keep them out of public schools?
Also there is an attack coming on the home school issue as well against palin, but be careful as many western states have seen significant increases in home schoolers, especially in places like CO; a toss up state.
I used to be against it, but now feel it is an avenue that many local school boards and systems will embrace as an answer to the overcrowding issues of our school systems. Think about it; its a helluva lot more costly to keep buil;ding schools to keep up with growth than it is to create a polcy that supports home schooling. I think home schooling may finally have a national audience at the upcoming Convention.


I feel like some of the best documentaries out there (Tiderion - 8/30/2008 12:24:48 AM)
are not being watched by enough people.

I mean there is no debate on global warming. The whole global cooling thing was found to be false. There is an interesting debate on pollution's effects but not because we don't know them but whats to do about it.

Creationism is not science and does not belong in science classes. Teaching it in anything other than a religion course, or tangentially in philosophy or history, also teeters on violating first amendment rights.

There is plenty of information out there on these things. All major issues, like all politics and religion, have competing sides who sometimes go to extremes. I promise that there is an answer to most issues coupled with resistance to it.



Very true (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 6:15:47 PM)
I find it very interesting that we get so worked up about a creation elective in high school when freshman year at college you can take ethics, logic, critical thinking, creationism, evolution, history of christianity etc. What is it exactly does one year remove from public high school provide a person that there no issue with access to such classes? If a school is State supported and one pays tuition for a student to attend, how is that any different than paying the tax dollars that support the public school system in a locality? Either way citizens are paying for it so if its an elective approved by a parent for a high school student to participate in I do not see the issue frankly at all.  


Not exactly ageism . . . (JPTERP - 8/29/2008 5:13:03 PM)
As Aznew states the VP choices weigh heavily for both Biden and Obama -- for different but equally legitimate reasons.

As far as the sexism goes, I think it's sexist to select someone like Palin over Sens. Hutchinson, Snowe, etc.  If we're simply looking at this one on the basis of experience and background, Palin has less heft than those choices -- yet McCain selects her over more qualified women within the GOP?

Palin even comes with a ready-made and ongoing ethics scandal, which she drags along with her into the national spotlight.  A candidate like McCain must be pretty desperate if he's willing to tolerate that kind of distraction in a VP choice.



Defenders of Wildlife calls Palin choice "shocking" (Lowell - 8/29/2008 5:02:58 PM)
Shocking Choice by John McCain

WASHINGTON-- Senator John McCain just announced his choice for running mate:  Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska.  To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.

"Senator McCain's choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.

"Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska's coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.

"This is Senator McCain's first significant choice in building his executive team and it's a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain's commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil."



Palin doesn't believe that humans (Lowell - 8/29/2008 5:27:19 PM)
are responsible for global warming. That alone should disqualify her as far as I'm concerned, not to mention her support for teaching "creationism" in the public schools.  We've already had an administration for 8 years that was profoundly anti-science and anti-reason, we don't need another 4 or 8 years of this crap.


I don't have a problem (Pain - 8/29/2008 5:39:00 PM)

I have no problem with creationism, but it should be an elective.

And, yeah, anyone who thinks humans aren't causing global warming should be disqualified, and that along with the very real possibility she will be President should make everyone concerned.



Yes, It Should Be An Elective (HisRoc - 8/29/2008 6:15:29 PM)
And it should be called, "Sunday School."  Don't get me wrong.  I am a practicing Roman Catholic with a Catholic school education.  But Creation Science (sic), as defined by the Taliban wing of Christianity, belongs somewhere else than in the Earth Sciences department.  The entire universe is only 6,000 years old?  Really.  


Again very true (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 6:18:07 PM)
Feminist classes and Women's studies classes I guess are inappropriate as well at the secondary level for young women to seek to participate in as well.  


She also apparently wants to outlaw abortion (aznew - 8/29/2008 6:22:00 PM)
in all cases, including rape and incest.

Global warming, creationism, outlaw all abortions.

Sounds pretty extreme to me.



WEAK WEAK WEAK ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS (Pru - 8/29/2008 5:28:43 PM)
For the right to try to compare her experience to Obama's is ridiculous....and one has to look the GRAVITAS of both....

He was Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review
She has a B.A. in Journalism from the University of Idaho

And every other woman on the national political scene has STERLING academic and substantive  career backgrounds before they entered politics.  Not this gal.....Can they really think she can be a surrogate for Hillary in the minds of  those who supported Sen. Clinton?  She isn't qualified enough to shine Hillary's shoes.   Or to take her pants suits to the dry cleaners.



Good point (Great Blue - 8/29/2008 10:10:50 PM)
She apparently graduated from high school in 1982, and from college in 1988 (some accounts say 1987).  Any idea where that year or two went?


I can only speak for myself (Pain - 8/29/2008 10:34:09 PM)

And, having graduated college in 82, I can say with much certainty why I lost a few years. I can't speak for Palin, though.


NARAL: Palin opposes abortion even in cases of rape, incest (Lowell - 8/29/2008 5:28:57 PM)
McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate

Selection of anti-choice Palin shows just how extreme McCain presidency will be

Washington, D.C. - Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said that Sen. John McCain's selection today of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate is further evidence that a McCain presidency will be just another four years of the same old Bush-style anti-choice policies. Just like McCain, Palin opposes a woman's right to choose. Palin has also stated her opposition to abortion even in cases of rape or incest.

"John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate proves just how rigid and extreme his administration would be when it comes to a woman's right to choose," Keenan said. "For 25 years, McCain has opposed a woman's right to choose, and we know that he will continue to push anti-choice policies in the White House. McCain's pick of anti-choice Sarah Palin is further evidence that his White House will be just another four years of Bush-style policies. Any remaining doubts about McCain's extreme anti-choice position should be put to rest when voters learn about the combined anti-choice records of Sarah Palin and John McCain."

Palin, a member of the anti-choice group Feminists for Life, said during her campaign for governor that she is opposed to abortion, even in cases of rape or incest. [Juneau Empire, "Abortion Draws Clear Divide in State Races," accessed 8/29/08 and Anchorage Daily News, "Governor's Race: Top contenders meet one last time to debate," 11/03/06.]

"Americans are tired of the kind of divisive anti-choice policies that Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have pledged to continue to support. The contrast between pro-choice Sen. Obama and anti-choice Sen. McCain is clear. Voters are looking for a leader who respects women's freedom and privacy.  Barack Obama is that leader."

Sen. McCain's selection of Palin as his vice-presidential running mate is especially troublesome for the unique audience of women voters NARAL Pro-Choice America is targeting: Independent and Republican pro-choice women in suburban and exurban swing districts. These women play a pivotal role in the presidential election. Recent polling confirms how, once these voters know McCain's extreme opposition to a woman's right to choose and family planning, they will switch parties to support Sen. Barack Obama.

NARAL Pro-Choice America, which tracks all choice-related votes in Congress and ranks all 50 states on the status of women's reproductive rights, classifies Sarah Palin as anti-choice.



Alaska REPUBLICANS slam Palin! (Lowell - 8/29/2008 8:04:50 PM)
and it ain't pretty:

State Senate President Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to tell her the news.

"She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? said Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"

[...]

House Speaker John Harris, a Republican from Valdez, was also astonished at the news. He didn't want to get into the issue of her qualifications.

"She's old enough," Harris said. "She's a U.S. citizen."

Ouch!



Charles Krauthammer: Palin pick "near suicidal" (Lowell - 8/29/2008 8:11:52 PM)
From conservative Charles Krauthammer comes a not-so-positive take on the Palin pick:

The Palin selection completely undercuts the argument about Obama's inexperience and readiness to lead -- on the theory that because Palin is a maverick and a corruption fighter, she bolsters McCain's claim to be the reformer in this campaign...

The McCain campaign is reveling in the fact that Palin is a game changer. But why a game changer when you've been gaining? To gratuitously undercut the remarkably successful "Is he ready to lead" line of attack seems near suicidal.



Palin supported Pat Buchanan (Lowell - 8/29/2008 8:22:55 PM)
Check this out:

...Sarah Palin supported Pat Buchanan in 1999. Neither of them really dwells on the significance of this, so I wanted to back up for those who don't remember the circumstances of the time. This isn't like supporting Buchanan in the GOP primary. When Palin was supporting him, Buchanan was running as a third (actually, fourth) party insurgent, appealing to conservatives who thought George W. Bush was too moderate. This suggests that she's not just a run-of-the-mill movement conservative but a hard-core right-winger.


A lot of Dems agreed with Buchanan on trade issues (Friend - 8/29/2008 8:32:38 PM)


Yeah but (Tiderion - 8/30/2008 12:02:25 AM)
tariffs because corporations are pillaging their own country are one thing. Tariffs because you hate the rest of the world and want to be isolationist and protectionist is completely different.


Lowell , be fair here (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 10:17:48 AM)
If I recall you supported John McCain in the 2000 Primary or so I believe the Haskins blog interview stipulated. Pat actually visited her town in Alaska when she was Mayor and I have not read or seen posted her official endorsement just a picture of her where Pat visited wearing a sticker. It would be interesting to see the voting data from the town in that election by the way. I have always considered myself a run of the mill conservative Dem at the core but I wonder do you consider yourself a run of the mill or a hard-core left winger of the Party.  


Nice try. (Lowell - 8/30/2008 10:54:06 AM)
I voted for John McCain in 2000 (in the Virginia Republican primary) because there was no Democratic primary that year and I thought I'd do my part to stop the disaster known as George W. Bush. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and we can see the terrible results. Even more unfortunately, John McCain has now morphed into a walking corpse of his former self, a man who has sold his proverbial soul to the proverbial devil in order to be president at any cost to himself or the nation. That's what we're dealing with here.

As to my political philosophy, since for some odd reason you've taken the "ad homimen" route here, I am a Teddy Roosevelt progressive, certainly not a "hard-core left winger," but what possible purpose there is in discussing this I have no idea. You are off on a complete tangent in order to distract everyone from the question of the day: the future of our country, the choice between 4 more years of Bush disaster or at least the CHANCE for a positive change with Barack Obama and Joe Biden. This choice - guaranteed disaster versus hope for the future - is not a difficult choice to make.



Its not a tangent (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 11:18:25 AM)
Conclusions in terms of votes being cast today for the future played against the polticis of the past (ie 1999) is meaningless. I can count a half a dozen folks at work that will as of right now vote for Warner and also McCain. All voted for Webb over Allen, all voted for Warner for Gov, none voted for Kilgore nor will any vote for Gilmore yet they are leaning McCain----has not this been a tradtional response from middle Virginia where we have elected State Democrats and Republicans for President. In agreement with my friends there is a dynamic here that never really gets focused upon. Its like your rationale for voting for Mccain in 2000. Many of us conservative Democrats reject the Gores, Deans, Kerry and even Kennedy of the Party and endorse the Warners, Kaines, Chuck Robbs of old. You I think as a "progressive" are on another path and I think prefer the Gore,Kerry brand. I respect that Lowell but the fight is and always will be here in Virginia for the middle. I expect Warner to win by 25 or pts but the Obama/McCain race will be very tight. The explaination is the middle.
I only referenced the question because you implied that Palin is "hard-core" based on a vote cast in 1999. In 2000 I supported Bush but have now like many formerly retreated from the position. I recall that in the interview you stated you "were" a Teddy Roosevelt Republican that had become dissatisfied with the Republicans so obviously you as well have shifted views over the course of years as well. I do however prefer to see the glass half full with both sides. I ahve great faith in this nation that regardless of the outcome we shall overcome as we have these last eight years. I respect all four, but especially have deep admiration for Biden and McCain for the very same reasons.  


No, I was a Teenage Republican (Lowell - 8/30/2008 11:26:25 AM)
in Connecticut during the 1970s, when New England still had a robust liberal Republican tradition and when Democrats were still shifting away from the "Dixiecrat" legacy of George Wallace et al.  As to Teddy Roosevelt, I have always been very close to him in political philosophy, and remember, he switched from Republican to "Bull Moose."  Today, my guess is that TR would either be a reformist/Progressive Democrat (like me) or an Independent.  Whichever, I'd follow him in a heartbeat!

As to Palin, she is about as far-right-wing on social issues as you can get. She is also anti-environment, for aerial gunning of wolves, for drilling in ANWR, doesn't believe humans are responsible for global climate change, advocates teaching creationism (!!!) in schools, etc.  In short, she's a big time right winger with absolutely no qualifications to be commander in chief.  If you like that, paired with a guy who's completely sold his soul to the same people he used to (correctly) call "agents of intolerance," then go for it. For me, the choice is as clear as can be.



Valid points (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 12:21:17 PM)
On the social agenda but not sure if you have been to Alaska but I can tell you no one up there no one is anti-environment. It is the most pristine place you could ever visit. As a fisherman the waters are tremondous and they are looking toward working with tidal technology as well as proposed wind farms. The have stricter policy regarding the oil and gas regulations than any lower 48 counterparts. In terms of the oil resources; its Green Bay Packer like-the citizens own the rights to the resources. This will get twisted into susidy talk by people but when you visit there you really undrtand the connection people have there for its environment.
Go after Palin on all the other stuff, but the energy/environmental will not fly and to use the wolf killer, anti-caribou, moose eating agruements will not fly given her environmental record is better than our own Governors. In terms of Energy there is a great video than ran last night on CNBC where she has been on quite a bit since the Energy crisis. She and the Gov of Monatan are two of the most respected on energy of any Executive. Frankly, on energy debate she will take it to Biden as much as he will nail her on foriegn realations.
You social points should be the line of attack, not the environment. many are wedge issues with women though.
Also, in all honesty and objectively the only two qualified for the CinC role are Biden and McCain. Palin is no more qualified than Obama and I think there are better ways to capturing the middle to win than that line of attack either. She will get some considerable play in SW Virginia, central Virginia and Chesepeake and will rally those folks now so it is imperiative turnout in NOVA,Norfolk,Richmond, Va Beach reach historic levels. I do agree though that McCain may have just lost about 5 to 8 pts % in NOVA though.


Environment/wolf killer will definitely work (Lowell - 8/30/2008 1:46:55 PM)
in NOVA and lots of other urban/suburban areas.


Palin opposes birth control for married couples (Lowell - 8/30/2008 1:52:19 PM)
See here for more on Palin's extreme social views:

In fact, as Palin's cultural views become better known -- she oppose abortion in all cases and opposes the use of birth control pills and condoms even among married couples -- she will undoubtedly scare the hell out of the soccer moms and 98% of Hillary voters. In fact, many of these women may feel insulted by this choice in that McCain and the GOP think they are stupid and would bypass their own interest (reproductive and economic) to vote for the ticket due to gender and anger that Hillary was not the nominee.

In my estimation as a pollster and analyst, while historic for the GOP in selecting their first woman on a national ticket, this choice may be the worst selection by a major party nominee for President in modern times.



I guess that explains the 5 kids... (Kindler - 8/30/2008 3:42:37 PM)


Yeah (Indy4all - 8/30/2008 6:24:39 PM)
and so does the entire Roman Catholic Church; as in Joe Bidens church and my own. So you actually think the entire mass goes along with such pillars of the church in these modern times. Better to ask forgiveness than pernmission Lowell. FYI for the first time ever in my audlt life I was actually called by my church today and invited to come to mass Sunday morning explicetly b/c of the Pelosi comments. bad timing in the old line Catholic communities for such lunacy. Can you imagine calling roughly two thousand or so. Someone is either pissed off or highly motivated.


Palin wolf killer (animalover - 9/15/2008 4:46:26 PM)
The bounty on wolves claim is political mis-information to try to smear Gov. Palin.  No matter what your politics, it's not fair to anyone to allow lies about either side to circulate on the net.  I researched this claim on the Alaska Legislature site and submitted it to Snopes.com.

If you look at the official Alaska site, the bounty was proposed by the Alaska Dept of Fish & Game (not Gov. Palin) to be used within a certain remote area where the wolves were decimating the caribou and moose herds as a means to protect help protect the herds.   The wolves in this area are overpopulated and each spring during calving season they are killing off most of the newborn calves, homing in on them by the scent of blood.   The wolves not only endanger the prey species in the area, but are invested with lice due to overpopulation.   Wolves are difficult and expensive to control in this part of Alaska, so the bounty was proposed to help offset some of the expense. The proposal was never implemented.  Bounties were historically paid to entice people to help control Wolves but they were ended in the 1970's.  It is also notable that they do not issue "hunting licenses" for wolves only "control permits" because the sportsmen have no interest in them and they are not used for food.    There are also some areas in Alaska where wolves cannot be killed at all because there is no threat to other wildlife.

While I am an avid animal lover and wildlife conservationist, I also realize there will always be hunting.  Some areas of the country depend on hunting for a good portion of their food.  Alaska has a long history of shooting wolves from low flying aircraft in the most remote areas (not everywhere).   I am not advocating nor condemning this method because I understand the argument from both sides.   Shooting from low flying aircraft is not something people do for "fun".  They must remove the door from the plane and fly in sub-zero temperatures during winter months when the wolves can be tracked.  The wildlife management reports I read, indicated that "wound & injure rates were very low" and they reported wound & injure rates associated with other hunting methods as well.   The report also states one of the main reasons for collecting the forelegs is to ensure that animals are actually killed not just wounded.   I think law makers have a responsibility to make and enforce laws that require humane hunting practices.   As I read the 144 pages of the report I was impressed at the amount of thoughtful study and detailed information that it contained and that they actually are concerned with "wound & injure" rates, lice etc. - and that they outlawed shooting of wolves in areas where they are not a threat.    I'm not saying they are perfect or can't be improved upon, but I don't believe this is as big an issue as some are trying to "spin" it to be.

I'm not sure what Mr. Obama's position on killing wolves (or any other wildlife) is.   However I do know he is personally responsible for blocking a bill that would have allowed doctors to give medical treatment to babies born alive after botched abortions.   He listened to personal testimony from nurses who were only allowed to hold these babies for their short lives and watch them inhumanly suffer and fade away which often takes hours.  Obama personally blocked the state bill even after wording was changed be the same as the Federal Bill which passed the US Senate unopposed (Both Hillary & Kerry voted in favor of the bill).   I cannot vote for someone who has that little regard for human life.   I also cannot imagine that someone who is not concerned with the humane treatment of newborn babies would somehow be concerned with humane treatment of animals.

Here are links to the full congressional testimony of some of these nurses- no spin added.  
http://nobamanews.blogspot.com...
http://nobamanews.blogspot.com...
the federal law - no spin added
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA...

Jill Stanek is the nurse who took this issue to her state legislature.  This is the link to her full report in Citizen Link (non-partisan)
(Yes, she does have an agenda too - she is pro-life, however her objective in this case was only to fight for babies born alive - not to fight all abortion.)
http://www.citizenlink.org/con...