I'm Convinced Kaine Will Be Obama's VP Pick

By: Lawyer Mama
Published On: 8/19/2008 10:50:00 AM

Q&A with Kaine
I recently wrote about my personal feelings about Kaine as Obama's VP pick a few days ago.  I think it will be bad for Virginia, even if it's good for Obama and ultimately our country.

That being said, I'm positive that Kaine will be the nominee.  I've been pretty sure he would be for awhile, but now I'm making my prediction public.  The Kos people have it wrong.  It's going to be Kaine.

Why am I so convinced?

Kaine and Obama have been working together very closely since February.  The Obamas and Kaine are more than just co-workers or people united in a common political goal, they are close friends.  
The Democrats want Virginia to be blue this year.  They want it baaaad.  I'm a volunteer for the Obama campaign.  I know how badly they want it.  Kaine could certainly help make that happen.  Kaine is on the conservative side of the Democratic party.  He is pro-life and pro-guns.  (Although the pro-guns thing is pretty much a given in the South.)  This can help Obama with more conservative voters.

It makes no sense to take a Democrat from the Senate with such a close majority right now.

Kaine's director of advance from his 2005 gubernatorial race has signed on with the Obama campaign as director or travel for the veep-nominee-to-be.

Kaine has appearances scheduled with Warner in Virginia on Wednesday and Thursday.  This isn't enough by itself, but when you add everything together, it helps.

I could go on for awhile, but I'll leave it at this.  Kaine will be Obama's VP pick. 

Anyone wanna wager?

Cross posted at MOMocrats. Stephanie also blogs at Lawyer Mama.              


Comments



I think it'll be Biden. (Josh - 8/19/2008 11:53:21 AM)
Whoever's right buys the other a beer.


I'm in! (Lawyer Mama - 8/19/2008 3:23:47 PM)
You're on. (-;


Might need to buy a case... (Tiderion - 8/19/2008 4:10:01 PM)
I am so unenthusiastic about a Kaine VP slot. That's about as lame as soggy french fries.


Clark (NP - 8/19/2008 10:59:12 PM)
Kaine will put me to sleep.


An Obama/Kaine Facebook group (Chris Guy - 8/19/2008 11:54:41 AM)
Started by Peter Feddo.

Link



I'm not so sure (Johnny Camacho - 8/19/2008 12:07:23 PM)
I firmly believe that this will be a foreign policy election. Try as we might to make America's economy the big issue, international turmoil will dominate. Why? Because Republicans are very good at framing debates. There is no way that they're going to steer this campaign into a discussion on the economy when polls indicate that Democrats are more trusted on economic issues right now.

Democrats, however, are not more trusted on the issues of Iraq and the abstract "war on terror," which is why the GOP has a lot to gain from hitting us on those issues. Obama's campaign is savvy enough to realize this, which is why I cannot conceive of them heading into the election without a foreign policy or military expert on the ticket.

In that sense, I also disagree with Kos, who states:

It strikes me that any pick designed to cover up a "flaw" in Obama (i.e. "lack of foreign policy credentials") only accentuates those flaws.

First of all, Obama's relative lack of foreign policy and military expertise isn't what I would call a flaw. Anger management issues? Flaw. History of infidelity? Flaw. Lack of foreign policy expertise? Not so much.

Obama's lack of foreign policy and military expertise is, however, clearly something that needs to be addressed (a void that needs to be filled, if you will) if the Democratic ticket hopes to be able to speak with even an ounce of authority on foreign policy and military issues. If we can't speak with authority on those issues, the Republicans win.

I don't believe for a second that the choice of a running mate with military or foreign credentials would accentuate Obama's perceived deficiencies. In fact, I believe it would be a clear indication that Obama is serious about winning, and serious about building the strongest possible ticket, both for the Democratic Party, and for America as a whole.

I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but my point is that Obama has proven himself to be a very smart politician, and, at the end of the day, there's nothing politically smart about Tim Kaine as VP. Surely he realizes that.

My personal pick: Joe Biden



My two cents (totallynext - 8/19/2008 12:28:02 PM)
This first election 2008 - select Biden as VP.  Get Virginia through the 2009 election to get majority in VA state positions - for redistricting for 2011.  

Or select Webb - We have a Democratic Governor that could select his replacement (This is were I am not sure of the law - does the Governor select or is there a special election to replace Webb)?

Then on Obama's 2012 strategy - Kaine is VP - Biden because of age will retire and not run again as Obamas VP.

That way the Democratic party sets it self up for the future Presidential nominee after Obama's terms(2)....



Really? (tx2vadem - 8/19/2008 12:49:06 PM)
If they can frame the debate as national security and international turmoil, then they are miracle workers.  If we are so inept that we cannot keep the focus on the most important issue that is affecting close to all Americans, the economy, then we don't deserve to lead.

Even with the media having a field day with Georgia, I doubt that stays as an issue into the Fall.  Unemployment is rising; we have the highest rate of inflation in over a decade; by the end of the year expect another big bank to fall.  Will it be Lehman?  Will it be Wachovia?  And heating oil prices are still going to be shocking this Winter.  S&P has threatened to downgrade U.S. government debt from a triple A rating, not that those jokers' ratings mean anything.  But people have faith in those institutions.  

I can't imagine that people hurting from our economic slowdown would care more about South Ossetia.  And are Americans really eager for another war?  For more adventurism abroad?  



If I were picking... (Lawyer Mama - 8/19/2008 3:25:37 PM)
I'd go with Biden.  But I think Obama is using different criteria.  I actually would prefer that he NOT pick Kaine.  I think I linked my earlier post about why I want Kaine to stay here in Virginia.


Plus (spotter - 8/19/2008 12:28:01 PM)
the Obamas and the Kaines are all Harvard Law School graduates.  Gov. Kaine speaks fluent Spanish, and has given some of his speeches supporting Obama in Spanish.  He is Catholic, and was a Catholic missionary.  We don't have to worry about any of his ex-wives or girlfriends popping up, as other candidates do.  As a certain former candidate would say, "as far as we know."


other Obama/Kaine similarities... (mikeporter - 8/19/2008 2:25:53 PM)
both have small town Kansas roots
both chose low-paying public service jobs after college
both are former civil rights attorneys


I like the betting of a beer idea (idealistlefty - 8/19/2008 12:51:08 PM)
That way we all win...even if we lose ;-)

For me, I'm completely unsure.  I read one thing and think something then read another and think it's the other guy.  I've got my cell by my side and will content myself to know when I get "the text."



You & me both, Viv. (Lawyer Mama - 8/19/2008 3:26:37 PM)
I jump whenever my cell phone rings....


It will be Kaine (legacyofmarshall - 8/19/2008 3:37:04 PM)
I'm 99% sure.  I'm way past "buying a beer" sure.  I'm betting a 6-pack of Dominion Brown (Legend for you Richmond folks out there) sure.

Obama just wants VA so so so much.  Which is super!  Except the way to do it is to COME DOWN HERE AND CAMPAIGN YOURSELF!  Not expect a Governor with 50% favorability to do the job for you.

That being said - while I love Kaine as a person, disagree with many of his policies, and the thought of H.E. William Bolling makes me die immediately - I do believe that when all is said and done, Obama-Kaine will win VA - IF THEY KEEP UP THE GROUND GAME - but certainly with no more than 51%.

They've got my vote grumble grumble...



No to Biden (FINKS - 8/19/2008 4:08:06 PM)
I just don't see why people want Joe Biden as the VP nominee. He has a great track record in the senate, but when it comes to campaigning and dealing with the media he's awful. The guy would cram his foot in his mouth the first day as the vp nom. and Obama would spend the rest of the campaign making excuses for the dumb things Biden says. Also that whole plagiarizing thing would come back to bite the campaign in the butt. And picking Biden would infasize the fact that Obama doesn't have a lot of foreign policy experience and make Biden look like Obamas Dick Cheney.  


I know I sound like a Joe Biden cheerleader... (Johnny Camacho - 8/19/2008 5:28:40 PM)
But I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. First, your comment may just mark the first time in history that anyone has accused Joe Biden of being bad at dealing with the media. I, for one, can't think of a politician who handles the media better than Joe Biden.

And, yes, in his 35 years of public service, Biden has said some things that were absurd. There was the Dunkin' Donuts Indian accent wisecrack, the poorly-structured sentence referring to Barack Obama as the first clean black person to run for president, and then there were the B.S. plagiarism charges.

Those three instances are almost always the only ones cited to support the dismissal of Joe Biden as a hopeless gaffe machine, as if every thoughtful, intelligent, or insightful word he's ever spoken is meaningless by comparison.

Lastly, as I said above, the notion that we shouldn't emphasize Barack Obama's lack of foreign policy experience by choosing a VP who is a foreign policy expert is absurd. In my opinion, that's like saying that we're more concerned with saving face and protecting our egos than we are with embracing the fact that we don't know everything and creating a ticket of well-balanced expertise.



BTW, (Johnny Camacho - 8/19/2008 5:32:26 PM)
just so I make it clear, this comment is in response to FINKS. I think I clicked "Post a Comment" instead of "Reply."


Hey! It's Johnny Camacho! (legacyofmarshall - 8/19/2008 5:50:54 PM)
I remember you!


I think the word was "articulate" (Josh - 8/19/2008 8:17:25 PM)
clean?

I don't think so.  This is how rumors get started.



No, that's exactly what he said (Lowell - 8/19/2008 8:29:08 PM)
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Source



Articulate was one of the words. (Johnny Camacho - 8/19/2008 8:29:52 PM)
Here's the full statement:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."


Sorry, Lowell (Johnny Camacho - 8/19/2008 8:31:20 PM)
I was typing my last comment when you posted yours and didn't see it. Feel free to delete mine, as it's kind of redundant.


No worries! (Lowell - 8/19/2008 8:45:36 PM)
See here for the audio.


Here's the quote: (Chris Guy - 8/19/2008 8:30:43 PM)
Jan. 31, 2007: I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man.


omfg! (Josh - 8/20/2008 2:24:10 PM)
Clean?

If you could see my forehead right now... it's bright red from repeated slapping.



I still think it will be a woman (mikeporter - 8/19/2008 8:54:55 PM)
Either Clinton, Kennedy (Caroline), McCaskill (Claire), or Sebelius (Kathleen).


You didn't clarify which Clinton (legacyofmarshall - 8/19/2008 10:24:21 PM)
Chelsea or Hillary?