Not Obama-Kaine After All?

By: Lowell
Published On: 8/14/2008 7:31:10 AM

The past few weeks, there have been a lot of rumors floating around with regard to Barack Obama's running mate. One of the top rumors has been our own governor, Tim Kaine.  Well, now that may be looking less likely if you believe the following from this morning's Washington Post:

The choice of Warner appeared to dim chances that the state's current governor, Timothy M. Kaine, would be selected as the Democrats' vice presidential nominee. If Kaine were chosen as Obama's running mate, two Virginians would have back-to-back prime-time speaking slots, a scenario that party officials regard as unlikely.

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Kaine is slated to speak Tuesday, a day devoted to the economy and the environment. Democratic consultant Jenny Backus, a convention organizer, said most of the presumed vice presidential finalists have been booked for speaking slots other than the running mate's. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, for instance, is on the Tuesday program.

A source close to Kaine said this past Tuesday night -- before yesterday morning's announcement about Warner -- that the governor believed he would "get the silver medal" in the vice presidential sweepstakes. Obama's decision to make security the theme on the night his running mate speaks is regarded by party observers as a subtle hint that Kaine and other governors without foreign policy credentials might be less likely choices.

So, who has foreign policy credentials among the supposed VP finalists?  Kathleen Sebelius? Not particularly.  Tim Kaine? Well, he's visited Iraq and worked as a missionary in Honduras, but...no, he doesn't really have any foreign pollicy experience. Evan Bayh? Well, he's on the Armed Services Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence, plus he's chairman of the Subcommittee on Security and International Trade and Finance. Not bad, but not terribly extensive foreign policy experience either. Joe Biden? He's a long-time member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has wide-ranging foreign policy expertise. Wes Clark? He served as Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000, during which time he commanded Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo War. Clark is also the author of "Waging Modern War: Bosnia, Kosovo, and the Future of Combat" and "Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the American Empire."  So, yeah, I'd say he's a foreign policy expert.

Anyway, we'll see what Barack Obama decides to do.  My hope is that he picks someone as his running mate who has significant foreign policy and national security experience. In this time of international conflict and national security threats, I want to see as strong a team as possible in the White House, all of whom are "read to lead on Day 1."  With people like Joe Biden and Wesley Clark, that certainly will be the case.  With some of the other VP "short list" candidates...not so much.


Comments



The VP pick is crucial... (ub40fan - 8/14/2008 7:46:17 AM)
It is the first most substantive decision a Presidential nominee makes ... it's what the average voter remembers the most. Barrack Obama needs to make a pick that is Good for the country .... and these days what would be best given the Foreign policy debacle we're saddled with is to choose someone with foreign policy heft.

The best choice at this time in history would have been Jim Webb. What a great turn about surprise that would be. It would really answer the mail on several levels.

But should that not be the case ... then Wes Clark or Joe Bidden would make a whole lot of sense.

I hope for the BEST.



It's Clark or Webb (hallcr3 - 8/14/2008 7:56:54 AM)
I'm almost certain it's Clark or Webb now. The VP day at the convention is defense themed and both of these men have publicly said they're out of the VP conversation (read: we're still thinking about it).

I don't want to lose Webb in the Senate, so Clark is my pick. I find it a little ironic that he has a "speaking engagement" in "Italy" on his party's most important day for veterans and defense-related discussion.  



Webb pulled his name out of the running (Lowell - 8/14/2008 8:07:44 AM)
and as much as I wish he hadn't done that, I believe him when he says he's not interested.


Your tenacious with the Clark thing, Lowell, I'll give you that (DanG - 8/14/2008 8:00:50 AM)
I think all the evidence has indicated either Biden or Bayh at this point.  Both are moderate Democrats, so I'd be happy with either, though Biden's tongue make's me a bit nervous.  I don't think Clark is legitimately in the running.  We have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.


I think Clark would clearly be the best pick (Lowell - 8/14/2008 8:06:46 AM)
of the remaining possibilities.


Agree, Biden would be a huge mistake. (KathyinBlacksburg - 8/14/2008 8:13:00 AM)
I'd prefer Bob Kerrey to Biden.


Funny thing though is (Tiderion - 8/14/2008 9:25:10 PM)
it could all be one of the greatest covers of all time. Because Clark at this stage is THE BEST possible VP choice. It would have been easy to have decided this long ago when Obama was pulling ahead and set up a ruse for the media to latch on to for the meantime. There have been much grander covers in American politics.

Also, there is a future for Zinni in Obama's White House. Defense maybe?



Bill Clinton is speaking before the VP nominee (Chris Guy - 8/14/2008 8:24:28 AM)
Clark served under Clinton, and they're both from Arkansas....


Clark Didn't Rule It Out (Elaine in Roanoke - 8/14/2008 8:36:06 AM)
I listened to Wes Clark's interview with Rachel Maddow. He didn't rule out anything definitely, as Jim Webb certainly did. Clark said he had a scheduled luncheon in Milan. Schedules can change...I hope. :-)


Economic Conference in Milan (vadem - 8/14/2008 6:05:39 PM)
Clark is schedule to speak at an Economic Conference in Milan.  It's a dinner meeting at 8 pm, not lunch.  He's also put out his schedule today for 3 more events in the coming weeks/months.  Doesn't sound like he's planning on anything in the short term except to hit the road to campaign for House Democrats.


General Zinni (totallynext - 8/14/2008 8:54:37 AM)
n/t


The current slotting of speakers is irrelevant (Rob - 8/14/2008 9:19:53 AM)
They can easily be moved around.  The people organizing the DNC schedule are not privy to the VP selection process.


Its not Clark. (flicked77 - 8/14/2008 9:37:27 AM)
Sorry, but its not. The guys not even coming to convention.

As for General Zinni, he has ruled out politics for his future.

The best picks are Sam Nunn or Bob Kerrey. Both moderates, and both stand no chance of overshadowing the ticket. Not to mention both bring plenty of experience with the younger candidate who is criticized for his national inexperience.



Transcript of Maddow interview (Elaine in Roanoke - 8/14/2008 10:15:43 AM)
Rachel Maddow: Are you going to be in Denver, General Clark?

Wes Clark: I'm not sure yet. I have business commitments overseas, and the convention honestly, I mean, it just hasn't taken form enough for me to know.

Maddow: Of course, you know what I'm wondering is if you have any plans to be behind a podium, say, Wednesday night in prime time.

Wes Clark: (pause) I...Right now, on Wednesday night I'm scheduled to be at a dinner in Milan, Italy.

Not exactly a Jim-Webb-type refusal.



No, definitely not. (Lowell - 8/14/2008 10:19:08 AM)
And you'd think a military guy would know how to be "Shermanesque" if he wanted to be. :)


Clark or Bayh (hereinva - 8/14/2008 9:46:23 AM)
Given Russia's recent incursion into Georgia, need a v.p. who
can demo strong foreign policy/security credentials.

Jim Webb fits the bill-but I thought he said "not interested" in the VP slot...



Nunn...I think not (Elaine in Roanoke - 8/14/2008 10:22:41 AM)
Just last year Sam Nunn was one of the people contemplating an independent run for the presidency...He has been out of politics so long that name recognition is a problem...He is so conservative that many in the base of the party would not be happy with the choice...plus this statement he made:

April 18, 2008: Sam Nunn: "Sen. Obama will have the sound judgment to put together an outstanding governing team, bringing people together across old boundaries. My own role in this campaign will be as an advisor - particularly in the field of national security and foreign policy."

I read that as possible Sec, of State...
But...who knows  :-)



Nunn would make (Lowell - 8/14/2008 10:24:09 AM)
an excellent Secretary of State, working with President Obama and Vice President Clark. :)


Nunn endorsed Obama for Pres. (Chris Guy - 8/14/2008 11:31:37 AM)
It's the first time he's ever endorsed a Democrat during the primaries.


Barack Obama and Wesley Clark (ObamaClark 08 - 8/14/2008 12:02:41 PM)
I have decided that the only choice for VP is Wesley Clark and here's why:

1. Officially, Obama says the main criteria for his vice presidential pick are that the person must have integrity, independence, vision, a useful "knowledge base," and the ability to help him govern. Clark meets all of these criteria.

2.Unofficially, Obama knows that if he does not pick Hillary as his VP, he will need a "friend of Hillary" whom Hillary's supporters can rally behind. Clark meets that criterion.

3. Obama knows that he's weakest among middle-aged educated women, so he needs a VP candidate who can appeal to them. Clark meets that criterion.

4. Obama needs a white male who appeals to voters in the southeast and southwest, the voters that may resist electing a black man. Clark meets that criterion.

5. Obama needs somebody who appeals to independents, moderates and even crossover conservatives nationwide. Clark meets that criterion.

6. Obama needs somebody older than himself because his base of voters in their 20s and 30s is not enough for victory. Clark meets that criterion.

7. Obama needs somebody with military credentials that match or exceed the military credentials of John McCain. Clark meets that criterion.

8. Obama needs somebody with impressive experience in foreign policy and dangerous international conflicts. Clark meets that criterion.

9. Obama needs somebody trusted by intelligence agencies and yet who has openly opposed the use of torture in the war on terrorism. Clark meets both criteria.

10. Obama needs somebody whom voters see as capable of being the president and commander in chief (just in case). Clark meets that criterion.

What do you think?



sounds logical and reasonable (pvogel - 8/14/2008 3:03:43 PM)
I cannot think of anything you may have missed,  but that does not mean  theres an unknown quantity there.

Theres the known known, the known unknown, the unknown knowable , and the unknown unknowable.

The first three things align for your choice, but certainity is not there. Unless you are Obama or Wes Clark( Or any other vp chioice already chosen)
There is no way to be certain.



Scott Gration a dark horse? (sndeak - 8/14/2008 5:31:18 PM)
any takers?  just a thought. He has been one of his top military advisors and has been with him since the spring of 2007. Bio

Newsweek article

Obama's views "are very similar to mine," Gration says. "While he hasn't served in the military he has tremendous respect and admiration for service people. ... I'm very involved in veterans' issues, and I believe there's not a candidate out there who's taking care of our veterans like Obama." Denis McDonough, Obama's new foreign-policy coordinator, says Gration is now considered one of Obama's three top military advisers, along with Richard Danzig, the former secretary of the Navy during the Clinton administration, and Gen. Merrill McPeak, former Air Force chief of staff.  "He and Barack share a lot of personal experience, given the way they grew up," says McDonough. "There's a lot of kinship."


Gration as Deputy National Security Advisor maybe... (justicat - 8/14/2008 9:45:48 PM)
anything above that would be a push... too many more experienced and more qualified people to choose from.  Danzig would probably get Sec Def were not the wars going on.  Certainly a good candidate for his previous position if he were to want that back.