Results Thread
By: Lowell
Published On: 3/4/2008 8:01:47 PM
Polls close in RI at 7 pm ET, in OH at 7:30 pm ET, in RI and TX at 9 pm ET.
UPDATE 7:01 pm: CNN calls VT for Obama and McCain.
UPDATE 7:04 pm: According to the CNN exit polls from VT, Obama won men 68%-31%, women 57%-41%. That implies a 62%-38% overall victory for Obama in VT, given that 56% of voters were women and 44% men.
UPDATE 7:30 pm: Polls are closed in OH. NBC projects McCain to win on the Republican side with the Democratic race "too close to call."
UPDATE 7:32 pm: The CNN exit poll from OH indicate that Clinton could win by a very small margin (52%-48%?) if you look at gender breakdown. Very close.
UPDATE 7:47 pm: The Ohio Secretary of State reportedly has asked a judge to hold open polls in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) until 8:30 pm.
UPDATE 8:03 pm: The Cleveland Plain Dealer says that OH county officials "can't release any vote totals until 9 p.m." when polls close in Sandusky County.
UPDATE 8:22 pm: With 1% reporting in TX, it's Obama with 437,610 votes (58%), Clinton with 305,476 votes (41%). Almost no results available from OH.
UPDATE 8:57 pm: MSNBC reports that Mike Huckabee "planned to reach out to the McCain campaign on Wednesday to coordinate a concession."
UPDATE 9:00 pm: Polls close in TX and RI. McCain has won TX and has mathematically clinched the Republican nomination for president.
UPDATE 9:09 pm: With 2% reporting in TX, it's Obama 522,225 (54%) leading Clinton 435,670 (45%). As far as I can tell, those are early voting numbers.
UPDATE 9:22 pm: Huckabee concedes. Clinton wins Rhode Island, breaking the Obama winning streak of 12 in a row.
UPDATE 10:19 pm: At this rate, it could be 4 am before we have winners in TX and OH. Right now, it's Obama 50%-Clinton 48% in TX with 15% of the vote counted. In OH, it's Clinton 57%-Obama 41% with 36% counted (but not much from some of the major urban areas). I may just call it a night for now...
UPDATE 10:56 pm: CNN says that Clinton wins OH.
UPDATE Wednesday morning: Clinton wins the TX primary. With 98% reporting, it's 51%-48% Clinton.
Last UPDATE: Only 10.28% of RK poll respondents predicted the correct outcome last night. The top answer, with 51.4% of the vote, was Obama winning VT and TX, Clinton winning OH and RI. Not quite, although if Obama wins the TX caucuses one could make the argument I suppose...
Comments
I Think TX Closes at 9 ET (Matt H - 3/4/2008 8:05:07 PM)
My bad, I fixed it. (Lowell - 3/4/2008 8:06:11 PM)
Thanks.
Actually (Matt H - 3/4/2008 9:20:20 PM)
Results are coming in now, and it's favorable for Obama.
Can't be 1% reporting in TX, can it? (Greg - 3/4/2008 9:41:45 PM)
With 700,000+ votes, that would imply 70 million primary voters in TX. Hopefully, the numbers are right, and it's just that a higher percent of precincts are reporting.
Primary polls closed in TX at 7:00 Central, so results should be coming in.
I think it's early voting #s (Lowell - 3/4/2008 9:43:11 PM)
Not sure how that factors in to the percentage reporting stats.
I'm pretty sure the way they do it (Zil - 3/4/2008 9:46:31 PM)
Is that the percentage is percent of precincts reporting and that doesn't necessarily make comparative adjustments for how many people vote at each precinct. Again, I'm not sure about this, but that might explain the discrepancy between the totals and percentages.
too bad (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 8:18:00 PM)
if only Vermont counted.....(sigh)
In Vt, Obama Needed 64%... (Flipper - 3/4/2008 8:24:22 PM)
of the vote to gain a 10-5 delegate advantage. If 62%, he would gain a 9-6 split.
He's very close to that (Lowell - 3/4/2008 8:27:13 PM)
But maybe won't quite get there, we'll see.
not good for hil... (lgb30856 - 3/4/2008 8:35:22 PM)
"too close to call" in ohio is a death knell for hil.
she needs a double digit win to get any delegates.
hmm.
Gut feeling... (Greg - 3/4/2008 9:28:19 PM)
Based on the "change" beating "experience" in the exit polls, is that Obama's going to come out of this well. Maybe a narrow win for Hillary in Ohio, but nothing which will support the "tide is turning" meme which her campaign would try to spin to the superdelegates as "buyers remorse" re: Obama.
Kos comments on TX (Lowell - 3/4/2008 9:40:28 PM)
"...zero percent are reporting, but that's about half a million votes in these totals. Is this early voting totals? If so, Hillary is in deep shit in the state."
And, he adds.... (Lowell - 3/4/2008 9:41:07 PM)
..."These results clearly include early voting. This looks terrible for Clinton."
Maybe early voting is it... (Greg - 3/4/2008 9:44:35 PM)
700k at 1% reporting is certainly hosed up...
There were reports of a large turnout from the African American community in TX in early voting, esp. on the campuses at Texas A&M and other majority-black colleges, so that might explain some of the wide skew in early votes.
Prairie View A&M! (Ron1 - 3/4/2008 9:58:40 PM)
The thought of Texas A&M as a majority black college made me chuckle out loud! Aggieland is very, very white.
[Not trying to make fun, it's just a gut reaction if you've been to Bryan/College Station a few times in your life.]
Thanks for the correction (Greg - 3/4/2008 10:06:24 PM)
I knew I'd seen something with A&M, but yeah, it was Prairie View A&M... show how well I know Texas...
Looks like Hillary in Ohio (SWVA.Observer - 3/4/2008 8:35:50 PM)
CNN Exit poll shows Hillary winning women with 54%/45%, losing men 47%/52%.
Given the composition of the electorate, this translates into 51.2% overall for Hillary.
If you look at the full age breakdown... (SWVA.Observer - 3/4/2008 8:43:24 PM)
it looks even slightly more optimistic for Obama...
Voters Age 18-64: Hillary gets 48%, Barack receives 52%
Voters Age 65 and Up: Hillary gets 70%, Barack receives 29%.
Composition of the electorate would hand a 50.8% victory to Clinton.
If you look at who people think (Lowell - 3/4/2008 8:47:44 PM)
is "more likely to win in November," it's very close between the two...pretty much tied as far as I can tell.
exit polling regarding race (from CNN) (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 9:22:45 PM)
In deciding your vote for president today, was the race of the candidate:
Important (20% of total vote)
Hillary: 57%
Obama: 43%
Not important (79% of total vote)
Hillary: 50%
Obama: 50%
Ohio (Ingrid - 3/4/2008 9:34:44 PM)
Reporting of results was stopped because one county is still voting.
Kind of seems irresponsible for CNN and other sources to leave them up there. (SWVA.Observer - 3/4/2008 9:36:57 PM)
If folks have already seen the early results, Clinton supporters may be less inclined to turn out for extended polling hours given the current results reported. The same holds true for Obama supporters who might prematurely concede the race.
12 wins in a row (JohnB - 3/4/2008 9:47:13 PM)
When Barack Obama was declared the winner in Vermont, he hit the 12 wins in a row mark.
Has Rhode Island been called for Clinton? (vadem2008 - 3/4/2008 10:29:40 PM)
CNN Reports only 13% reporting at this time.
Yes. (Lowell - 3/4/2008 10:30:04 PM)
n/t
CNN just called R.I. for Clinton (vadem2008 - 3/4/2008 10:30:47 PM)
There's my answer!
This means that (Ron1 - 3/4/2008 10:32:08 PM)
Rhode Island is a state that matters, obviously! :)
good one Huckabee (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 10:33:49 PM)
obviously he didn't pray hard enough.
well, that or (Sui Juris - 3/4/2008 10:36:52 PM)
god is a fairy tale.
rumor: Edwards endorsing tomorrow (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 11:01:00 PM)
second hand information, but from a Kennedy staffer.
OpenLeft
oh, and it's Obama (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 11:01:39 PM)
that part's kind of important. :)
Edwards endorsing?? (Oakton Dem - 3/4/2008 11:04:27 PM)
How do you know it's Obama??
It says so in the link (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 11:07:07 PM)
oh... (Oakton Dem - 3/4/2008 11:51:15 PM)
right. Sorry, it's been one of those days.
It would have been nice for Edwards to endorse YESTERDAY! (vadem2008 - 3/4/2008 11:27:16 PM)
It seems that Clinton may win Ohio in a big way (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 11:14:11 PM)
34% of the vote, Clinton 57% Obama 41
Can the gap close, and by how much?
Still early . . . (JPTERP - 3/4/2008 11:24:02 PM)
No totals yet from three of the major population centers (Montgomery County -- Dayton; Cuyahoga -- Cleveland; Hamilton County -- Cincinnati). Once the numbers start rolling in those margins can close quickly.
I still think Clinton probably wins Ohio, but there are still a lot of votes out there in the major population centers.
That is what I wanted to hear :) (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 11:26:34 PM)
Thanks! (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 11:34:29 PM)
:)
Carl Bernstein on CNN (Chris Guy - 3/4/2008 11:19:15 PM)
says that he just talked to Clinton strategists and their only way to win the nomination is to go so negative on Obama that they will sway the superdelegates.
yay democracy
I am the first to call for Obama to withdraw!!!!! (Newport News Dem - 3/4/2008 11:20:33 PM)
Now that we know that Obama is only strong in states he has zero shot at winning in the fall, I want to be the first to ask Obama to withdraw from the race for the benefit of the party. It is apparent that Hillary is our best hope for a chance to win in the fall. Ohio, Florida, Michigan and more provides the electoral college majority.
Do it for the good of the party. :~)
Florida and Michigan don't count (vadem2008 - 3/4/2008 11:31:42 PM)
Florida and Michigan don't count and Obama is beating McCain in the national polls, whereas McCain beats Clinton. Also, don't you think that the democrats in those states will support our nominee in the general election? They may not say so now, but I can't imagine that they would go for McCain instead of Barack.
It is time for Hillary to concede and let the democrats get on with winning the general election.
Thank god (Newport News Dem - 3/4/2008 11:49:09 PM)
we can dispense with the electoral votes of Michigan and Florida. Who needs 'em anyway. Kansas, Wyoming, Idaho and the Dakotas will lead us to victory. Onward and upward
BTW, get the stick out your arse, it was a joke and you Obamabots have no sense of humor and are so clouded in your devotion to your Messiah, you lost all sense of normalcy. You all have been so quick to call the game after the end of the 3rd quarter for your guy, I wanted to be the first to reverse the argument.
After watching the abysmal speech of Bob Dole McCain, either candidate is a shoe in this fall. How pathetic was that!
Hey . . . (JPTERP - 3/5/2008 12:06:22 AM)
I got the joke. No need for the phony "Messiah" b.s. The inanity clearly cuts both directions.
It's late and I still don't get it (vadem2008 - 3/5/2008 12:10:17 AM)
Where is the joke in this?
The joke is that . . . (JPTERP - 3/5/2008 12:18:27 AM)
the Obama folks have used the same "good of the party argument," which is more than a little self-serving.
The "squiggly" smile at the end of the comment was a tip of the hand that the comment was only semi-serious.
Having said that both of the Democratic candidates are going to be in bad shape if this one drags out another month.
BS is (Newport News Dem - 3/5/2008 2:06:30 AM)
accusing the Clintons of being racist.
BS is accusing Hillary of playing the Rovian fear card when anyone with a brain knows she was playing the experience card (whether you buy her experience claim or not).
BS is not getting the exact parsing of words to satisfy your blood thirst for Hillary after being asked repeatedly to denounce the "Muslin smear" which she called it. The first 2 or 3 denunciations were not good enough for you.
BS is all the crying, bitching, moaning and complaining by Obamabots because Hillary is being so mean towards Obama. Anyone willing to be honest will admit this is a cub scout primary in terms of the vitriol in it.
So I for one, have no more use for your bravado and bluster and BS. I have no more use for your false promise of republican capitulation because Obama will ascend to the presidency. I have no more use for your McCain is better than Hillary BS, the if Obama doesn't win I am taking my ball and going home. Hillary or Obama are heads and shoulders better than Bush's 3rd term represented in Bush/Cheney/McCain.
So yes, I call all Obmabots on your BS and am sick and tired of it. I am sick and tired of all the talking Obama heads and fawning media demanding Hillary to quit late in the 3rd quarter of the game.
I am listening to your guy talk about rejecting false charges in his speech tonight. From a campaign that is living on it, how shallow and yes, full of BS.
I for one am ready, willing and able to carry Virginia for Warner and our nominee. I also am willing to capitulate to Obama once he receives 2025 delegates. Not one minute before, not one delegate earlier. Leadership of the free world is to important a position for anything else. If Hillary were to give up and capitulate now, it would only serve as a reason to reject her candidacy.
Lastly, should Obama prevail after this "bruising" primary, he will be the better candidate in the fall for it. Carry on the contest so the eventual winner is battle tested for McCain, whose speech tonight was a pathetic joke.
So my emailed prediction of;
Obama 60-40 in Vt
Clinton 55-45 in RI
Clinton 54-46 in OH
and Clinton 50-49 in TX (with Obama wining more delegates "subverting the will of the people") looks pretty darn good.
Can't wait until the June "do-overs" in Michigan and Florida. History is being made this year. What an exciting time.
Good night and sorry I "soiled" just one more Obama blog.
I was agnostic on this race. I was happy to be agnostic on this race. I was happy to observe the process play out. The Obama campaign exemplified by Kos, RK, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhodes has driven me to choose, for Hillary.
Peace and I can't wait to stop fighting with "my friends" and focus on the real battle in the fall.
Cuyahoga will not completely report until 4:30 AM (teacherken - 3/4/2008 11:26:48 PM)
and in TX there is apparently nothing except early voting in yet from Harris County (TX)
Got. to. go. to. bed (Hugo Estrada - 3/4/2008 11:30:18 PM)
I can't stay up until 4:30!
What about the Texas Caucus? (vadem2008 - 3/4/2008 11:32:50 PM)
Why is it taking so long to report on the results of the Texas caucus?
Caucuses only wrapped up about an hour ago . .. (JPTERP - 3/4/2008 11:40:43 PM)
I would be very surprised if we had results from the caucus before tomorrow morning.
MSNBC (proudvadem - 3/4/2008 11:54:20 PM)
just projected Ohio for Clinton..
hillary for you and me! (notwaltertejada - 3/5/2008 12:30:29 AM)
this is so exciting!
Hillary for Haliburton, Shell, Texaco and GM (snolan - 3/5/2008 8:22:31 AM)
Sorry - you and me don't matter.
The story in Texas is (Ron1 - 3/5/2008 1:08:21 AM)
Barack got CRUSHED in South Texas. I mean, just look at some of these margins, especially in Latino-majority South Texas border counties: Hidalgo County, 73-26 (Hillary may be net as many votes in Hidalgo as Barack nets in Travis County, which includes liberal Austin); Webb County (Laredo), 77-21; Cameron Country (Brownsville), 68-30; El Paso, 70-30.
Barack has never gained traction with Latinos/Hispanics in the southwest -- he got trounced in this demo in all 4 southwestern border states.
The other problem was in West Texas, where he also fared pretty poorly. East Texas appears to be a draw (lots of blacks in East Texas, which is very southern in character), and Barack will win Houston, Austin, Dallas, Ft. Worth, and DFW suburbs pretty handily. But votes in San Antonio and El Paso are still outstanding and will cancel out the outstanding votes in DFW -- I don't see a scenario where Barack wins the popular vote.
But it looks like he'll gain delegates in Texas on Hillary in both the primary and caucus. So, much of the narrative will depend on whether or not the establishment press decides to look at delegate counts or at spin from the Clintons.
puh leeze.. (lgb30856 - 3/5/2008 1:50:06 AM)
no one "wins" a state. It is allocated by district. Hil "won" ohio but lost the delegate count. get your facts straight.
obama is the winner, as hil was supposed to "win " by over 20 points.
MSNBC (0.00 / 0) (lgb30856 - 3/5/2008 1:52:04 AM)
how great is that for u. but obama won the delegates, and they win the nomination. so try to find out what is going on when u emote.
Hillary does well (pvogel - 3/5/2008 1:58:57 AM)
But not well enough. she says the next primary is Pa on aprii 22
Which is a surprise to the good folks in Mississippi.
If she Jimmies the superdelagates to go her way, against the popular vote, you will have Prez Mccain till 2016
and 8 conservative supreme court.
I agree (Newport News Dem - 3/5/2008 2:21:20 AM)
the superdelegates must resist being "jimmied" and represent their respective states,
I hereby call on all superdelegates from the following states to cast their lot with Hillary ensuring the will of the people in each state is carried out.
California
Texas
Florida
New York
Ohio
Mass.
New Jersey
Michigan
Arizonia
Etc.
We need to ensure the superdelgates of KS. WY. UT. etc do the same.
Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
HIllary wins Texas (LAS - 3/5/2008 2:05:40 AM)
so say CNN and MSNBC and even Fox.
Christ, how much more of this can we take?
Delegates, and McCain steals the Democratic platform (Rebecca - 3/5/2008 2:09:19 AM)
If Obama has more delegates and the Clintons try to overthrow that, it will divide the party, just what the Republicans need.
Also, did you notice that John McCain adopted major points of the Democratic nominees in his victory speech?
1. Pulling out of Iraq. (surprise, surprise!)
2. Green technologies and independence from oil.
3. Leave NAFTA alone (the Dems can't force other countries to enforce labor laws anyway).
4. Affordable health care.
Also, he is not looking to overturn Roe v. Wade although he didn't mention that. He's starting to sound a lot like the Democrats. That's going to be hard to beat, especially if people vote on experience.
primary vs. caucus (notwaltertejada - 3/5/2008 3:16:05 AM)
this situation in texas just goes to show that when people vote in a caucus (aka a popularity contest for show in front of everyone else) one candidate wins. when people turn out in the millions to vote the other candidate does better. we need to think about eliminating caucuses in our nomination process.
Oh, this is going to get ugly (Hugo Estrada - 3/5/2008 8:08:19 AM)
The geniuses that came up with the anti-democratic superdelegates concept have delivered a gift to us, two decades from the past.
They can now pretty much do the wrong thing in all possible ways.
If they vote with the overall winner of the pledge delegates, Clinton supporters will get angry.
If they vote with the overall winner from each state, giving a possible win to Hillary, Obama supporters will get angry.
If they decide the whole thing behind closed doors, the loser's supporters, whoever that is, will get angry.
if it helps republicans (pvogel - 3/5/2008 8:52:29 AM)
The democratic party needs to realize it their own fault.
We will accept blame.Things will get changed.
Only republicans push blame away.
Other considerations (Rebecca - 3/5/2008 1:26:23 PM)
If the Fl and MI primaries are redone it will violate the rules. There are many opportunities for the Clintons to take dictatorial control of the situation and then go down in flames with the Party.
Hillary benefited from Archaic Ohio institutions and the weather, as well as the fact that new voters could only register up 'til one month prior to the primary. A few things went in their favor so the big win may not really represent what would have happened in more favorable conditions (to Obama).
I hate to see Hillary all excited again since she is running out of money and the Ohio margin may not have been entirely her doing.