And now what? Mental meanderings the morning after . . .

By: teacherken
Published On: 2/13/2008 7:37:29 AM

crossposted from Daily Kos

Only yesterday morning I posited a very strong Obama performance, saying

Predictions in primaries are always dicey.  It is cold today, it may rain or snow in parts of the region.  Still, I expect a heavy turnout, and would think the lower end of Obama's margin in the two states is 18%, and conceivable could reach 25.  In DC it will be a blow-out:  the margin will be better than 2-1, and it is not inconceivable that Obama could reach 70%.
.  As I look at not quite complete returns from the three jurisdictions, I see VA at 64-35 (+29), MD at 59-37 (+22), and DC at 75-24 (+51!).  My title had asked the question "Game on, or game over?"   I now think, barring something totally unexpected, the answer is getting very close to the latter.  Or to use an old metaphor from sports, I hear the fat lady warming up in the next room.
First, some side notes.  Two incumbent congressmen lost in primaries.  As part of the netroots, I am delighted at the victory of Donna Edwards over Al Wynn in Maryland CD, even more so because it was so substantial.  Edwards defeated Wynn by better than 2-1 in the Montgomery portion of the CD, and with still somewhat incomplete returns in Prince George's leads there by more than 10.  

Donna Edwards, whom I first met at a progressive event the day/evening Kos and Jerome kicked off their book tour in DC for CTG, is quality people, and it is quite satisfying that the Wynn attempt to smear her because, as a single mom, she had had difficulty paying her taxes backfired. There are far too many people in the CD who have experienced similar problems.  

And I am overjoyed that my friend Adrienne Christian, who had served as Deputy Campaign Manager for the Jim Webb campaign and who had been kind enough to spend several hours talking with my students, has this substantial victory to add to her resume.  Adrienne defeated an incumbent who was openly supported by the Speaker and the Majority Leader!  Perhaps this victory might get a little attention from Congressional leaders?

On a note that is somewhat more mixed, Republican Wayne Gilchrest lost his battle to retain the nomination in the 1st CD to a real right-winger who was endorsed by James Dobson among others.   On the one hand, this puts that seat possibly within play, on the other Gilchrest was a good guy.  I say that not only because we have similarities -  he is a former Marine and a former social studies - but he was one of the last true moderate Republicans in the House and was terrific on things like environmental issues.  

Analyzing the returns from last night, it is amazing to look at the results from Virginia.  Clinton broke 40% in only one CD, the 9th, in SW, which she won 65-33.  Obama was over 59.5% in the other 10, reaching 79.95 in Bobby Scott's 3rd CD (while keeping Clinton below 20%)!  The turnout was, despite bad weather in some parts of the state, fairly substantial.  And Obama kicked ass on issues and in just about every possible demographic except white women.  The most significant data point for me was when I heard - through a source who had access to the exit polls - that Obama was besting Clinton on who would be the better commander in chief: that guaranteed that she would take a substantial loss, and even though I was stuck in our horrendous traffic jams, I relaxed knowing how big the victory would be.

Last night if you listened to analysts, it is very hard to see how Clinton can possibly catch up in voter-selected delegates.  Even should she now pivot and decide to go into WI with all guns blazing, she will lose that state: the major endorsements to date favor Obama, he will have party organization in Milwaukee and whatever Gov. Doyle can bring to bear, and the student vote will, especially after last night's fantastic rally in Madison, also heavily favor him.  And remember, not only does WI allow crossover voting, people can register on the day of the primary, and that will also heavily favor Obama. Despite demographics far less friendly to him than MD and VA - WI is only 6% black, compared to VA at 19.9 and MD at 29.5 - I would still expect a comfortable double-digit lead.

Besides, as of now, I would expect Clinton to have major problems raising sufficient money to be competitive.  Both OH and TX have multiple media markets.  How many of her donors will be willing to dig deeply again given the lambasting she took last night? And how much more will the money now flow for Obama, given the enthusiasm of his substantial victory?  And since Huckabee has no money, and won nothing despite his strong effort in Virginia, there is little reason for independents to vote in a Republican primary when they can cross over and vote Democratic.

I have heard people worry that some conservative Republicans might cross over to vote for Clinton since she is the weaker candidate in the general. I doubt it.  In fact, real conservative Republicans hate the Clintons, and might well turn out on the D side merely to have a chance to vote against her while they can.   Others are likely to be drawn to Obama in a positive fashion.  

Can Clinton survive by going exceedingly negative?  I have already picked up bits and pieces that she will try - she mentioned Obama's relationship with Excelon during her interview with the local ABC affiliate on Monday night, we know they are still shopping the Rezko angle.  

And last night I picked up something which I cannot guarantee has its origins in the Clinton camp, but sounds like the way they have been known to operate:  someone tells you that he is afraid that the Republicans will attack Obama because of his minister, that s/he is picking up rumblings to that effect.    This is just about the equivalent of a push poll, and puts out a meme while blaming it on the Republicans, thus reinforcing the idea Clinton wants to push that there is danger that Obama has not been fully vetted, while claiming she has been.

I have some thoughts of my own.  I think that if Clinton wants to continue in the campaign she has an obligation to release her tax returns now, and not require the voters to buy a pig in a poke.  Absent the release of those returns, she herself has NOT been fully vetted.  

I have no doubt that the press will begin to examine Obama more closely, now that he seems like the presumptive nominee.

I could be wrong, but I think remaining big names who have not yet endorsed will now be reluctant to board the sinking Clinton ship.  It is not inconceivable that as polls begin to reflect the impact of last night that Obama may quickly catch up in super delegates, and thus widen his overall lead ahead of Clinton to triple digits, even before we get to March 4.  This will be especially true if we see closure in TX and OH and a widening of national margins of Obama over both Clinton in the primaries and McCain in the general.  

And listening to Obama's speech last night, I heard a clear outreach to the message of John Edwards, who, if he were to endorse Obama, would be nailing shut at least one side of the lid of the coffin into which Clinton may now have been placed.  Were he to do so, I think the unions that supported him who have not yet endorsed would also come on board, and that might well mean Clinton would be in jeopardy of losing OH and PA -  and I think it quite likely that she may lose TX anyhow.  

Officially it is not over.  Unofficially, it is hard to see how Clinton has any realistic hope of even getting close in voter-selected delegates.  And there is no way, given the size of the losses she has taken, to believe that any sensible super delegate would want to take away from Obama a substantial victory that has been given by the voters, unless one can find something major that would be disqualifying, and given how hard the Chicago papers have dug the past few years, I find that exceedingly unlikely.

Last night, as I was listening to Chuck Todd say that after HI and WI Clinton would need to win the big three of OH, TX and PA by 60%+ in order to make it close, I could not help but note that to date the only state in which Clinton's numbers have reached 60% was AR.  She could not even reach that number in the state she represents in the Senate.  By contrast, last night alone Obama exceeded the 60% number three times.

I know one should never count the Clintons out.  But this is getting remarkably close to TKO time.  And I think money people and super delegates know it, and are going to be reluctant to throw good money and efforts away on what now seems an almost impossible mission.

Our efforts in the Potomac region are now successfully complete.  Some from our area will use the forthcoming holiday weekend to travel to WI on behalf of Obama.  Others will begin the process of making phone calls and sending emails to TX and OH and possibly even Penna.  For now, for myself, I plan to refocus my efforts on my own state of Virginia.  With Obama on the top of the ticket - and I now have little doubt of such an outcome - it is possible that we can expand our current 3 of 11 Congressional seats held by Democrats to as many as 7.  And that is the biggest contribution I think I can make on behalf the future of this country, to ensure working majorities in both chambers of Congress.  

I know that some will say my analysis is overly optimistic.  I was accused of that yesterday, with people trying to tell me to remember NH, even after I demonstrated analytically why this was a very different situation.  And I do not believe that Obama can totally pivot to a general election strategy.  But he was right to begin to phrase things in terms of the Bush-McCain policies, to make the major part of his focus on his opponent in November.  

It ain't over 'til it's over.  And officially that will not be until Denver, unless Clinton acknowledges the futility of a scorched-earth campaign.  But last night was as significant a set of victories as I have seen in many a year.

At least, that's my opinion, and absent data to the contrary, I plan to stick with it.

What do you think?


Comments



and I think we can ask ourselves (teacherken - 2/13/2008 7:38:08 AM)

is it time to begin to heal the party, to come together?

Clinton certainly has every right to continue her campaign, assuming she can raise the money and maintain her support.  She does NOT have the right to damage the party by running an exceedingly negative campaign.  Besides, I think that would backfire.  Big Time.  

So I understand that those of you who strongly supported Clinton may need time to mourn.  I make no demands that you come on over.  Take your time.  But recognize that our common goal of retaking the White House makes it imperative that we not bash one another, that we begin to see how we can come together.

When you are ready, we will be waiting for you with open arms.

peace.



I'm not in mourning this morning (aznew - 2/13/2008 10:06:09 AM)
But yesterday was a tough day for Hillary Clinton and a good one for Obama.

I don't want to comment too much on the excellent analysis, most of which is undeniable,  but I do want to make some points in response not only to this, but to some other comments posted in the wake of last night.

1) Leaving aside the delegate count for a moment, I Clinton were to win Ohio, Texas and Penn. by, say, 55-45, then she might fall short in delegates, but so would Obama. Then, no matter who the SDs would support, they would be going against the wishes of about 50% of the Democratic electorate.

Also, consider that Obama won many delegates through caucuses. there is nothing wrong with caucuses, per se, but they do always accurately reflect the wishes of the electorate for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean those delegates are any less important, but if we are speaking about what is fair and equitable, it is a reasonable consideration.

My point is that there are any number of scenarios involving delegates and votes in which there is no clear equitable solution or clear direction for the SDs. That said, there is obviously some number of pledged delegates by which Obama could be ahead that Clinton should drop out, but I don't know what that number is. It will be, to some extent, an exercise in arbitrary, albeit consensus line drawing.

2) As for healing, my sense is that the party is pretty healed right now. In the week leading up to South Carolina and the week after, I thought the Hillary Hatred among Obama's activists took an ugly turn, but it seems to have abated somewhat. My problem with the concept of "healing" the party is that what it usually seems to mean is, "Don't you think you should come over and support Obama now?"

In any event, the passion and anger that generated the rift among supporters seemed to be mostly on the Obama side to me (I'm not discussing whether it was justified or not, because I do believe the Clintons got a raw deal from the media and many activists, but I don't think it is productive to revisit that argument). A vocal and significant minority of Obama supporters have made their hatred of Clinton clear. Please do not assume because you have a visceral reaction to our candidate that we have one to yours. We don't.

3) My sense is that Clinton supporters do not need a mourning period before supporting Obama. I sure don't. In poll after poll, Clinton supporters have made clear in ovewhelming numbers that we find nothing wrong with Obama. Speaking for myself, I simply think Sen. Clinton is more qualified to be president and has a better shot at winning in November. I believe with equal fervor that Sen. Obama will be a much president than John McCain.

4) Calls to the Clinton camp to throw in the towel, or to suggest that her continued campaign hurts the party, are unfair. I've been a Democrat voter for 30+ years (Hell, even at the age of 14 I stuffed envelopes for George McGovern), and no one will convince that my support for the Democratic candidate of my choice, while at the same time respecting the other candidates in the race and committing myself to support the eventual winner, in any way hurts the party.

5) The most interesting thing to come out of last night's voting was that Obama made inroads into Sen. Clinton's coalition of women and working-class democrats. If Sen. Obama makes similar inroads in the March 4 primary, then I think that will be a time for Clinton to reassess. I will sure reassess my support for her if that comes to pass.

6) If there was one thing that has really bothered me, it has been the disrespect shown to President Clinton and his record as president over the past several weeks. It was simply uncalled for. No one is perfect, but Bill Clinton has been the best president we have had, by far, during my adult lifetime, since about 1975, and the fact that some Obama supporters and Obama himself sought to advance his own candidacy by denigrating that record was very disappointing. I don't think those efforts were what is meant by the "politics of hope."

I have a cold, so if this is completely incoherent, that is why. If this is partially incoherent, then that is simply a reflection of my own emotional, intellectual and expressive limitations.



Well, if you set the bar... (ericy - 2/13/2008 10:46:17 AM)

at presidents since 1975, then it does make Bill look pretty good.

I have a couple of beefs with Bill, but they aren't huge ones.  I wish he had kept is personal urges under control, as it was highly distracting.  He could have accomplished so much more if all of this stuff hadn't been in the news.  And his push for globalization and NAFTA doesn't seem to have worked out very well, but we can't easily put that genie back in the bottle...

WRT Hillary conceding, I agree that it's her call how to run her campaign.  The one thing I don't want is a nasty fight at the convention, but if she wants to continue through March 4th, that's fine with me.



I was just using my personal experience as a frame of reference (aznew - 2/13/2008 11:05:00 AM)
I think it is difficult for us to compare recent presidencies which we experienced first hand to historical depictions of presidencies for a variety of reasons, so I'll leave it to historians to debate where he ranks among the presidents.

I was simply addressing the issue of the shoddy treatment of his administration by Obama supporters as a criticism of Hillary's candidacy.



Unlike Obama Supporters (Newport News Dem - 2/13/2008 3:03:19 PM)
I am ready to work my butt off to turn Virginia blue this fall, regardless of who was our nominee.

I lost all respect for many Obama supporters who whinned incessantly about taking their ball and going home should Obama not win. The anger I felt towards them reading blogs and discussions (arguments) in Richmond this past weekend was very very real.

It is easy to be noble in victory and your palaver is hollow and condescending and your rhetoric empty. Feel free to stick it somewhere. Too bad many of your buddies seemed unwilling to abide by your stated desires had the shoe been on the other foot.

So I will do everything I can to elect Obama, should he prevail. I have always known that Obama or Hillary on their worst days would be far better than bush/cheney/mccain III on their best. You can keep your embrace as I know you guys are not the ones I want in my foxhole. Can't trust you that a shive to the back is not coming with it. Your Hillary hatred was a more acceptable alternative than a McCain presidency with all the death and disater it would have wrought.

BTW, I was/am not a Hillary supporter....my guy(s) were the first to go. Never cried about it neve thought of running away either.



Great analysis, Ken. (Lowell - 2/13/2008 7:45:54 AM)
You've given us a lot of food for thought here.  Thanks.


you are more than welcome (teacherken - 2/13/2008 7:50:34 AM)
but these are just the mental meanderings of a maverick muser

peace



Obama phenomenon (nursejt - 2/13/2008 10:00:09 AM)
I'm a Democrat in Prince William County who worked during the past several weeks organizing volunteers for Obama.  In all my years of political activism, I have never seen such an outpouring of enthusiasm and support by new volunteers on behalf of ANY candidate.  They dropped lit, worked the phones, stood at the polls, and did whatever was required. The results last night indicate I'm not the only one who thinks we have a winner here.  These are very exciting times for Democratic politics and Barack Obama is the reason, not just because he is such an attractive and energetic candidate, but also because of his ability to inspire new volunteers and voters in record numbers.    


In regards to a possible Edwards endorsement (True Blue - 2/13/2008 10:43:52 AM)
I think the delay in meeting with Edwards has worked to Obama's advantage.  Now when they meet, presumably later this week, Obama can point to three more lopsided victories.

I think Edwards will either endorse Obama or stay neutral.  He will not endorse Clinton.



while I agree with your reasoning, (teacherken - 2/13/2008 12:46:35 PM)
apparently ABC News' The Note does not, since they have an item which suggests that Edwards is close to endorsing Clinton.   Of course, that could have been written before last night, but who knows?


Yeah, but is it real... (ericy - 2/13/2008 1:04:39 PM)

or is this just more spin from some Clinton surrogate?


Patrick Ottenhoff (Lowell - 2/13/2008 1:15:28 PM)
has some thoughts about "Obama's Fertile Virginia Crescent" - check it out.


Former (Bill) Clinton Campaign Manager to Endorse Obama (Lowell - 2/13/2008 1:20:45 PM)
Well, this is certainly different!