A difference in the campaigns -
By: teacherken
Published On: 2/10/2008 6:14:13 PM
30 minutes ago we got a call from a young man named Eric, who told me he was calling from the Obama for President Campaign. I assured him we were both voting for Obama, and he thanked us pleasantly, and hung up.
2 minutes ago we received a robocall from the 42nd President of the United States on behalf of his wife.
Draw your own conclusions.
Comments
i got the robocall clinton call too (pvogel - 2/10/2008 6:26:19 PM)
Obama is running grass roots, really the only way to do it, Hillary is running like a country club liberal.
No contest
Me too (KathyinBlacksburg - 2/10/2008 6:39:00 PM)
I hung up. Then I wished I had listened to what message he was trotting out. After all these years Bill never set foot in Blacksburg -- until last night. (I wasn't there. Watching a a DVD and tuning in remotely for Obama's speech is more what I was looking for.) PS Thanks to all you who were there for your outstandingly awesome cheering for Barack!
Regarding Obama's visit to Roanoke: This is a real disappointment. I would so love to have gone. But I can't. I was tied up most of the day and couldn't drive to Roanoke (about 50 minutes each way). You have to get tix in person ahead of time. So we would have had to not only waste driving round trip today, but go back before dawn tomorrow to line up for the Jefferson Center. And then get back for what's scheduled for Monday. Really disappointing. 7 AM on Monday????????
Also had an Obama supporter at the front door. (KathyinBlacksburg - 2/10/2008 6:44:18 PM)
No Hillary people at the door. However, along with the Bill-bo-call, they are in the LTE section of the paper (Roanoke Times) telling women to vote for Hillary because she's a woman. Good grief.
Incidentally, the front page of the Roanoke Times featured Bill at Virginia Tech. The story about Obama victories yesterday were on page 7. And the photo of the JJ was all Hillary signs. Barack zip. I feel an LTE of my own welling up.
The Argument That Hillary Lacks Grassroots (SWVA.Observer - 2/10/2008 9:44:38 PM)
is patently false. I know for a fact that pockets of Hillary supporters on college campuses have been organizing phone banks on Senator Clinton's behalf. There was one five hour shift tonight, and one tomorrow afternoon, at my college. Thought young people were Obama's crowd... guess not. ;-)
Anecdotal evidence supporting your own candidate preferences is no surprise... but it's easily invalidated by counter-examples consisting of... anecdotal evidence.
Same on both sides of the aisle... (Bwana - 2/10/2008 7:41:03 PM)
I just had near the same experience, but on the GOP side.
I got a robo call from John McCain around 1600 today. Fifteen minutes ago, I got a call from a nice woman named Lisa calling from Birmingham on behalf of Mike Huckabee.
These calls bring me back to who is across the board the best communicators in this campaign.
I don't know why (AnonymousIsAWoman - 2/10/2008 8:54:09 PM)
But I've gotten two or three robo-calls from McCain. A robo-call from Clinton and an Obama call from an actual person. Since I wasn't home, the person left a message on my answering machine.
So far, no calls from Huckabee. Oh well, you can't win em all. :)
Do these people ever actually check recent voter registration rolls?
We don't register our party affiliation... (ericy - 2/10/2008 9:05:17 PM)
which makes it tougher for campaigns to identify the supporters that need to be contacted as a part of GOTV. In 2004, I was doing some "surveys" for the Kerry campaign to identify voters that we want to get out.
If you don't have good voter data, then a campaign ends up calling everyone. Sometimes they might look to certain towns or districts to call.
Yes, but (tx2vadem - 2/10/2008 10:39:49 PM)
Your contributions are public information (over a certain amount anyway). Also, party's can access who voted in their primary. So, if they had any sense, they could figure that out. Only if you have never given any money nor ever voted in a primary would you be disguised from the parties.
We don't register by party in Virginia n/t (KathyinBlacksburg - 2/10/2008 10:04:48 PM)
well... (Bwana - 2/11/2008 7:43:05 AM)
I asked the Huckabee caller how she got my number, and she said callers were given the people/numbers to call.
I assumed I got my calls because of past voting in GOP primaries and had not gotten calls from Hill or Obama. But if AIAW got a call from McCain then I am not sure where they are drawing their numbers from...
Well, Bwana, (soccerdem - 2/13/2008 4:25:55 PM)
Ever think that Huckabee's callers got your number from UPSTAIRS?
Sounds like (Lowell - 2/10/2008 9:37:26 PM)
Huckabee has a much more a grassroots campaign than McCain.
Conclusion (soccerdem - 2/10/2008 6:27:18 PM)
This, the calls you received, means that all across the USA Hillary Clinton cannot find anybody to make campaign call for her, NOT ONE YOUTH. And Obama, on the other hand, all across the USA, can find so many youths that nowhere does he have to resort to the racial toolthat Hillary and Bill use: the robocall. Another example of the trash of the Clintons.
I may be called dumb by some people but you've certainly taught me enough to draw conclusions correctly. And now, because of that robocall you received , I'll never vote forthat racist lying woman.
Even an ex-University teacher like I once was can learn from teacherken. U B the MAN!
Leaping to Conclusions (demdiva - 2/10/2008 11:48:34 PM)
SoccerDEM! I never would have thought to use robocalls as political triage. I love it -- thank you!
Hard to make conclusion from isolated ... (A Siegel - 2/10/2008 6:35:21 PM)
Our household has received calls from people ... from both campaigns and from organizations letting us know who they endorsed (again, both Barack & Hillary). I do not believe that we've received a robocall (yet).
No landline any more.... (ericy - 2/10/2008 7:49:20 PM)
Well, we do have one I guess, but Verizon blew out the ringer when they installed FIOS, and we never bothered to get it fixed. And that suits me just fine.
None of the campaigns have my cell, so no calls for me one way or another, and that's kind of how I like it. I appreciate that they are making an effort though.
And now Bill's former chief of staff (Chris Guy - 2/10/2008 6:35:42 PM)
is running her campaign. I can't get excited about the "first woman president" when she constantly has to rely on her husband to get where she is. And yet, he's a much better campaigner than she is....it's a problem that will never go away.
umm Maggie was HILLARY's Chief of Staff (teacherken - 2/10/2008 7:23:58 PM)
Bill ran through three - Mac McLarty, Leon Panetta and Tony Podesta, IIRC
and Maggie keeps a woman in charge, and she replaces a Latina with an African-American, if that means anything.
Chris -- You're a sexist (demdiva - 2/10/2008 8:13:45 PM)
living on your wife's salary, trying to be a "journalist." I just can't get excited about you. It's a problem that will never go away. Obviously your wife is a much better breadwinner than you are. Get a real job and be a man.
Hmmm... Don't like how that sounds? It's essentially the same thing you said about Hillary. Shame on you.
I'm making the same argument some women have made (Chris Guy - 2/10/2008 8:31:28 PM)
from a post on Firedoglake,
Why Some Feminists Aren't Supporting Hillary:
Other women say they want to like her but are disturbed by the anti-feminist message inherent in the idea of the first woman president getting to the White House on her husband's coattails.
Many great women leaders have come to power through family connections (demdiva - 2/10/2008 11:27:26 PM)
Indeed this is how many leaders have emerged. You need to read up on Robin Morgan's "Goodbye to all that #2" (http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html) in which she cites this basic fact:
Goodbye to the shocking American ignorance of our own and other countries' history. Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir rose through party ranks and war, positioning themselves as proto-male leaders. Almost all other female heads of government so far have been related to men of power-granddaughters, daughters, sisters, wives, widows: Gandhi, Bandaranike, Bhutto, Aquino, Chamorro, Wazed, Macapagal-Arroyo, Johnson Sirleaf, Bachelet, Kirchner, and more. Even in our "land of opportunity," it's mostly the first pathway "in" permitted to women: Representatives Doris Matsui and Mary Bono and Sala Burton; Senator Jean Carnahan . . . far too many to list here.
So you could also say the same thing about many prominent male figures in political life -- starting with our own Chuck Robb. Who would Chuck Robb be if he didn't have his father-in-law's coattails and his wife's connections? The same goes for Teddy Kennedy -- riding on two generations of coattails -- starting with his maternal grandfather, then his father the Ambassador, then his brothers. Now Teddy's son Patrick is riding on his coattails -- but when it's a male it's portrayed as "torch passing?"
Give me a break!
"be a man" (Alter of Freedom - 2/11/2008 11:12:50 AM)
now who is being "sexist". Stay at home dads all over the Commonwealth your wives are all better than you....what crap. People make their choices as to what is best for their families and they live with those choices, you do not, so back off the judgements placed on those that take care of our children and those that determine to work full-time. I thought this was what the movement of women's rights was all about. The ability to make choices.
I thought that was demdiva's point (aznew - 2/11/2008 11:36:20 AM)
Maybe I missed something.
I thought she was using sarcasm.
I hung up on Bill (Rebecca - 2/10/2008 7:59:10 PM)
Sorry Bill, but the thrill is gone.
Jerry received a call (Ingrid - 2/10/2008 8:20:08 PM)
While I was playing with my band at an Alexandria Dems GOTV rally, Bill called. Jerry tells me that Bill was talking about "change". Mmmm...
Btw: we made up our own version of that well-known Lennon song: "All we are saying, is vote for Barack!" Sounded nice in harmony and with the congas, if I may say so myself. :-)
It works both ways. (Randy Klear - 2/10/2008 9:23:38 PM)
When we got home from J-J today, we found an Obama robocall (from Bobby Scott) on our home phone. We have also had personal calls from Obama phone bankers, and a number of personal calls to my wife from acquaintances on behalf of Clinton. No Bill Clinton robocall, however, although it's possible there was one; we don't answer when the caller blocks caller ID.
Randy, Please get with the program (aznew - 2/10/2008 9:28:25 PM)
When the Obama campaign uses robocalls, they are a sign of brilliance and effective allocation of campaign resources, evidencing Sen. Obama's unerring in judgment in all matters.
When the Clinton campaign uses robocalls, they are a sign of ineptitude and an demonstration of the candidate's inability to connect with voters.
It is essential that you be able to make distinctions like this.
I talked to real people even ones who hung up (MJW - 2/11/2008 2:34:17 AM)
while working at the Clinton HQ. I made calls to southeast Virginia. The Hillary people were enthused and even one Obama supporter promised she would vote Hillary in the fall if she is nominated. Only one Obama supporter screamed at me using the faulty logic that new people (Obama) have to start somewhere. (like being Commander-in-Chief and having your finger on the nuclear button.) At least Hillary has been in the presence of the man with his finger on the nuclear button.
The robo calls are only going out to people who the campaign cannot personally contact.
And I have also received robo calls from McCain.
MJW
The difference, I guess (tx2vadem - 2/10/2008 10:42:33 PM)
I got a call from a live person for Senator Clinton. But then I have been a contributor to her campaign in the past.