Am I the only one who isn't outraged about "pimped out"

By: humanfont
Published On: 2/9/2008 11:07:21 AM

Look I get it that the choice of the word "pimped out" can be seen as calling Chelsea a whore.  However, in the modern parliance where we have "Pimp my Ride", and other more positive attributes of pimping, I just can't get that upset about it as a figure of speech.

Urban dictionary has 7 definitions of pimped out, and none of them are pejorative.

http://www.urbandictionary.com...


Comments



I think it's yet another (Lowell - 2/9/2008 11:24:52 AM)
airheaded moron on the Boob Tube spouting off, not having a clue what he's talking about, and being a jackass.  Please remind me, why does anyone watch TV?


We hear so many outrageous things these days (relawson - 2/9/2008 11:25:14 AM)
It is hard for me to know when to get outraged.  I don't think the comment was a nice thing to say (or particularly good tv journalism), but I think there is also an over-reaction to it.

I'm sure we could find something every day that each of these talking heads says to be outraged about.  I'm personally tired of the political correctness getting so out of control.  I say let them make an ass of themselves.

Don Imus I think crossed the line.  But unless there is a flagrant "foul" I don't think we should be crying foul.  Obviously the word "pimped out" wasn't meant literally. When the comments approach Don Imus territory that's when we should start raising our eyebrows.

That doesn't mean we can't publicly disagree with what the guy said, but to call for his resignation is just as outrageous or to suspend him is just as out there.  



Actually, pimping out is modern day vocabulary (relawson - 2/9/2008 11:33:47 AM)
As you pointed out our language has changed.  The Clintons aren't walking Chelsea through the red light district so clearly the comment wasn't meant in the traditional sense.

In fact today, pimped out may be a good thing.  It would be a good thing if someone would pimp my ride.

I suspect that the Clintons are so far detached from uban society that they didn't realize that they didn't need to be (as) offended.

Not too long ago, they hid their daughter from the cameras and wouldn't let her do interviews.  So now that they are parading her around, don't you think that opens her up for comments like these?  Fair or unfair, I can't imagine that the Clintons didn't see this coming.

When you step into the public eye, you are treated differently.  Not always fair, but that is how it is.  The Clintons know what they are exposing their daughter too, and if the heat is getting too hot she needs to get out of the kitchen - and not appear publicly.

I should point out that "getting out of the kitchen when it gets too hot" is also probably in the urban dictionary.  It isn't meant literally.  Just in case someone wants to feign outrage and call me anti-woman.



It's really appalling... (KathyinBlacksburg - 2/9/2008 5:34:38 PM)
It is hard to know where to start with the outrageously sexist things said about Chelsea and her mother.  One of the very worst comes from the mouth of John McCain.  Won't repeat it here.  But it will add context to a McC article I am working on...  

But sexism doesn't being and start with the truly pig-ish media or Republicans like McCain, however.  It's sexist to suggest, as some Hillary supporters are, that one should (they try to say must) vote for her because we are women.  I've really had enough of this stuff.

We can reject nasty stuff such as you describe, but support another.



I wasn't all that outraged, just sort of embarrassed for a middle aged (Catzmaw - 2/9/2008 7:38:46 PM)
man using teen talk to make his point.  All three of my kids (ages 16, 19, and 22) use the word "pimp" in ways I never dreamed of.  My daughter bought a dog collar for our little Jack Russell with the title "Pimp of the Year" on it.  My sons were enchanted and I was horrified.  Whenever my youngest dresses up for one of the endless quinceanero parties he gets invited to he and his friends tell me he's "pimpin'".  I've heard him use the phrase "pimped out" to describe a well dressed person, a hot car, or any other fashion statement.  He also uses it to describe someone getting help from someone else to perform a service.  I guess this was the correspondent's meaning.  It was pretty stupid on his part, but not intended to call her a prostitute, I believe.  


Also, Shuster's Comment Was Part of a Pattern (aznew - 2/9/2008 8:05:51 PM)
Chris Matthews has made a number of openly misogynistic comments about Clinton.

But what was really strange was Shuster's vague suggestion, through the use of that term, that there was something untoward about Sen. Clinton's grown daughter (Chelsea is 28 years old) working on her mother's behalf.  



You are right about this (Catzmaw - 2/9/2008 8:10:02 PM)
Tweety has been caught being pretty sexist on many occasions.  He's almost tone deaf about it.  And it is pretty odd to find it strange or untoward about a grown woman assisting in her mother's election.  No one said much about Mitt Romney's sons working for his election.


"Positive attributes of pimping"??? (Kindler - 2/10/2008 12:40:20 PM)
It says something about the rawness of our culture that so much lingo that's common to pop culture isn't fit to use in any kind of formal setting.  "'ho" and "bitch" are common terms in modern music and on the street, but I wouldn't be too comfortable with a news correspondent referring to a presidential candidate's daughter in such a way.

We can come up with whatever excuses we'd like for him, but the fact was that this MSNBC correspondent was way out of line.



Agree with many people here (Silence Dogood - 2/10/2008 2:27:35 PM)
Without casting judgement on the personal reaction of anyone one individual, the fact that someone might think it's socially acceptable to use language like this within the context that it was used says something to me, I think, about the relative social acceptance of racism vs. sexism.

As far as the urban dictionary goes, the urban dictionary only lists reflexive theoretically non-pejorative uses of the morpheme "pimp" because the Oxford English dictionary and Webster's Dictionary has all of the transitive pejorative defintions covered.  And I hasten to add that the definitions cited in the urban dictionary are only theoretically non-pejorative because they attempt to divorce the idea of a fashion style from a criminal enterprise which is constructed upon the principle of treating women like trade goods.  Treating it like the be-all and end-all of the English language is silly; as much as we hate it, there are still pimps in the world who create a relationship of dependency with a woman or women so that they can leverage that dependency in order to sell the woman or women for sex.  The fact that the Urband Dictionary forgot to list that definition for "pimping out" doesn't mean it doesn't happen, nor does it mean that's not still the accepted definition for mainstream Americans.



What did you call me? (relawson - 2/10/2008 2:37:06 PM)
As far as the urban dictionary goes, the urban dictionary only lists reflexive theoretically non-pejorative uses of the morpheme "pimp" because the Oxford English dictionary and Webster's Dictionary has all of the transitive pejorative defintions covered.  And I hasten to add that the definitions cited in the urban dictionary are only theoretically non-pejorative

That's a purty mouth you got there... ;-)



what if? (Demo08 - 2/10/2008 2:32:53 PM)
what if MSNBC said Michelle Obama was being "pimped out"??
or
"it was hot day and I can only imagine that Obama was looking for watermelon and fried chicken to recover."

This is nothing against Obama just using race as an example. I'm a male in my mid 20s, I'm not a huge feminist activist but more and more I'm beginning to be disgusted by these reporters.



Pimping out! (soccerdem - 2/10/2008 3:14:03 PM)
Despite the comments about "pimping out" being common usage,  Get Real.  There's one way to settle this stupid argument, and it's the same as the waterboarding argument.

You guys and Gals out there who think Shuster's remark is OK for the above reason, answer this.  Suppose your little 14 year old daughter helped you out in your restaurant and all the male customers said to you, Big Daddy, and you, Big Mamma, "Hey folks, how come you're pimping out your little ho daughter?"

And to further the "intelligent" common use argument, watch Chris Rock and The Wire and note the common usage og "Nigger" and Motherf--ker."  Then saunter downtown and start talking to your friends using these words (if you're white).  You might never reach Central Liquor alive.

"Pimp my ride" has about as much relevance to a woman working for her mother's political ends as the idea of Barney Frank marrying Cheney's lesbian daughter.  If you can't see the difference, I suggest further reading homework after school.

Shuster is better than that and he gave a good apology, when forced to do so.  It's when he gets together with Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews that he'll laugh along with the inanities and anti-feminist, nay, misogonistic (sp.?) spotings of these 2 idiots, one trying to be college-boy debate-team clever, the other a mouth suffering from diarrhea.

None of us should excuse the remark by Shuster by the pap offered in these responses, and I'm not a sensitive person.  But this was pure crap, and I thought so when I heard it on the program.  It's no overreaction.  If Bill got called a veiled racist and was accused of racist remarks for what HE said (and which the record contradicts), then certainly Shuster should be, at the least, castrated.



I don't think his remark was polite or a nice thing to say (relawson - 2/10/2008 3:55:36 PM)
"You guys and Gals out there who think Shuster's remark is OK for the above reason, answer this. "

Yeah, it wasn't nice for him to say that.  Poor jounalism, and rude.

But, I also think the reaction is mostly political and more or less crocodile tears.  Nobody saying it was OK to say, I think most people just think the response is making a mountain of a molehill.

And I think those who pull the race card, the sexist card, and whatever other card they are pulling are out to lunch.  Some people never miss a beat - and take every opportunity to proclaim how offended they are.

As "one of the boys" I'm getting tired of all this overly sensitive nonsense.  Give us freakin' a break.  As they say, boys will be boys.  When we cross the line - and I mean really cross the line - call us on it.  Bu I'm not going to apologize for being a man and nor should anyone.

If Bill got called a veiled racist and was accused of racist remarks for what HE said (and which the record contradicts), then certainly Shuster should be, at the least, castrated.

Shuster isn't running for President.  Bill Clinton is.  Ooops, I meant Hillary is.  And as punishment, he is married to Hillary.  Poor bastard ;-)

Finally, I never want to hear another feminist use the word "castrated" as a justifiable form of punishment.  Parts of my body find that highly offensive ;-)  Man-hater ;-)  I'm going to the urban dictionary to look up castrated, to see if I should be offended or not.

OK, I'll sit by and wait for the PC cops to get into gear.  Let's see if they can take a joke or not.



OK, Forget the Castration (soccerdem - 2/10/2008 4:19:40 PM)
We girls, at least my feminist friends, believe that if Bill and Hillary's remarks (which definately should be resd befor castigating them as "racist") are deserving of them being branded as racists, then punishment of an equal order should be given to Shuster.  We agreed, Forget castration.  But we also agreed that a fitting punishment which we WOULD carry out should be a prostatectomy with red-hot forceps.

Gotta get back to doing my hair and fingernails.



LOL (relawson - 2/10/2008 4:25:12 PM)
I guess you can take a joke ;-)