David Brooks on Immigration

By: Lowell
Published On: 3/30/2006 2:00:00 AM

Boy, this is scary.  First I agree with liberal New York Times columnist Paul Krugman on immigration.  Now, I agree with conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks ("Immigrants to Be Proud Of") on the same subject.  What next, will I start agreeing with conservative Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer ("Assimilation Nation") on immigration as well?  Whoops, too late!

Anyway, here are some excerpts from Brooks' column, with which I agree 100%:

...the exclusionists are wrong when they say the current wave of immigration is tearing our social fabric. The facts show that the recent rise in immigration hasn't been accompanied by social breakdown, but by social repair. As immigration has surged, violent crime has fallen by 57 percent. Teen pregnancies and abortion rates have declined by a third. Teenagers are having fewer sexual partners and losing their virginity later. Teen suicide rates have dropped. The divorce rate for young people is on the way down.

[...]

My second argument is that the immigrants themselves are like a booster shot of traditional morality injected into the body politic. Immigrants work hard. They build community groups. They have traditional ideas about family structure, and they work heroically to make them a reality.

[...]

My third argument is that good values lead to success, and that immigrants' long-term contributions more than compensate for the short-term strains they cause...

So over the long haul, today's immigrants succeed. By the second generation, most immigrant families are middle class and paying taxes that more than make up for the costs of the first generation. By the third generation, 90 percent speak English fluently and 50 percent marry non-Latinos.

My fourth argument is that government should be at least as virtuous as the immigrants themselves. Right now (as under Bill Frist's legislation), government pushes immigrants into a chaotic underground world.

Brooks concludes, with a question that all the immigrant bashers out there should ask themselves: "As we contemplate America's moral fiber, do the real threats come from immigrants, or are some people merely blaming them for sins that are already here?"

Good work, Mr. Brooks. I hope to be agreeing with you again, sometime soon.  You wouldn't be ready to support censure, now, would you?  Ha.

P.S.  Check this out for a bizarre, right-wing view of Arlington students protesting proposed Federal immigration restrictions.  Irony alert: the blogger criticizes Arlington Public Schools - one of the best school districts in the country, by far - yet her own writing is riddled with malapropisms, grammatical errors, and punctuation mistakes.  Could it be that she is just envious of Arlington students and their superior writing skills?

P.P.S.  From my good friend Maura Keaney comes this:

By the way, from my own experience teaching in Arlington, I can say that my students who were 'illegal immigrants' - that is, brought to Arlington by their parents who entered the country illegally - were on the whole the most respectful, appreciative, hardworking, and dedicated group out of all my students. Often their skills were way behind their peers, since they had very little or very substandard formal schooling in the past. But compared with some of their very wealthy American-born peers, who were often lazy, unprepared, disrespectful, and had a really nasty sense of entitlement, those kids who some Republicans want to exclude from public education entirely were the best students to teach.


Comments



Ha -- Pulitzer. Not (Waldo Jaquith - 4/4/2006 11:29:55 PM)
Ha -- Pulitzer.  Not hardly. :)  But it's sweet of you to say. :)


Here is more from Jo (Skartch - 4/4/2006 11:29:55 PM)
Here is more from Joshua Marshall this past summer.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_12.php#005835

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_12.php#005833



Hey, just how does o (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:29:55 PM)
Hey, just how does one get a pulitzer?  I mean, if there's lobbying to be done, who's phone needs to ring?


Now Waldo has anothe (Mark D. Simpson - 4/4/2006 11:29:55 PM)
Now Waldo has another burr under his saddle... namely the fact that Charlottesville, "the hot bed of technology" has awarded a contract to a Califonica...( how do you spell CA? ) company to redo the city's web site = $70K that could have helped some Techies right here! Go Waldo, Go!


Well Lowell, it's ju (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:30:01 PM)
Well Lowell, it's just a date. As long as the water is warm enough, it will still produce tropical storms/tropical depressions/hurricanes.

And i'm thinking we are going to have atleast one more hurricane at the U.S. before there is no more hurricanes, for this year.



Mr. Lang, do you mea (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:01 PM)
Mr. Lang, do you mean a meterological hurricane? Or a political hurricane? Or, maybe, a financial? How about a trifecta?


DemocraticUndergroun (autorank - 4/4/2006 11:30:01 PM)
DemocraticUnderground.Com support of Deeds Recount!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x403238



Ahhh humm... I would (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:30:02 PM)
Ahhh humm... I would say a meterological hurricane. 8D

Next year will be the political hurricane. Hope we get alot of democrats for seats in congress, so we can finally get out of war.



Frankly, I'd be surp (Craig - 4/4/2006 11:30:03 PM)
Frankly, I'd be surprised if either of those two got nominated.  McCain is hated by many parts of his own party's base (basically for not being in bed with the religious right), and Hillary is just too damn divisive.

In the case of both, it's just early name ID.  When the die-hard partisans start voting in primaries in early 2008, I bet you it won't be either of them.



As for McCain, I los (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:03 PM)
As for McCain, I lost respect for him when he sucked up to GW Bush AFTER Bush refused to disown the scurrilous attacks made by his minions on McCain in the South Carolina primary. And now Bush recently jerked the rug out from under McCain's anti-torture bill, saying when he signed it that he would pay no attention to it if he felt "protecting" the US from terrorists warranted it... and McCain said nothing. I think McCain will do whatever is necessary to placate the party's right wing in order to get ahead. He may have already cut a deal.  Now he can pose as an "outsider" in a year when being an outsider will pay electorally, while actually being the consummate insider. I think a McCain presidency would be nightmare because he has more brains than little George Allen.


an interesting twist (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:30:03 PM)
an interesting twist of events

to help McCain it makes sense to help you guys make Allen sweat

Allen to me = Hillary for you

or as they say the enemy of my enemy is my friend

 



Same w/ oil conserva (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:12 PM)
Same w/ oil conservation - the world supply with peak in the next few decades, but Bush's energy policy is pro-consumption. Stupid!


The state government (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:30:12 PM)
The state government is even surpassing the National government. Like New Mexico, California, and some North-Eastern state are making laws to limit the green house gas. It is really kind of sad that states are trying to help the world and the Bush Administration can't even help.
If you want to read more click on this: www.americanprogress.org then click on Forgotten tragedy.

In history books they only write down the good things the president does. And for Bush it would be two sentences.



The government could (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:13 PM)
The government could do so much to encourage companies to be cleaner. It could be positive incentives such as reduced taxes for companies that burn less carbon dioxide or research grants for companies/people to invent new ideas and efficiencies.

Even little things like synchronizing traffic lights. This is something that only the government can control. It's something i hope Tim Kaine spends a little money on.



Hey Lowell can I get (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:30:14 PM)
Hey Lowell can I get your email? I need to ask you something.


David: Please feel (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:14 PM)
David:  Please feel free to e-mail me at lowell@raisingkaine.com

Thanks.



I have to say that i (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:15 PM)
I have to say that if this election goes through with a peaceful transition of power, i will gladly congratulate Bush.


Tha was a courageous (PM - 4/4/2006 11:30:20 PM)
Tha was a courageous move by Warner.  Here's a good news, heartwarming story from AmericaBlog in the same vein: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/12/wow-incredible-story-from-advocate.html


As recall George Al (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:22 PM)
As  recall George Allen and friend Jim Gilmore told fellow Republicans recently that Kilgore lost because he refused to sign the no-tax pledge... now, that's one area in which Kilgore chose to show a modicum of good sense (thingking he was going to win he didn't want to tie his hands in advance, I guess). So, here's another sign the GOP bigwigs drew the wrong lesson: Kilgore lost because he wasn't anti-tax enough. And there is Senator Allen's campaign theme for his presidential run, I guess. Now all we need is a gutsy Democrat to run against him and cut him to ribbons, I also guess. Does anyone think, if Webb is still too coy to step up to the plate, would Leslie Byrne be up to a run? She did very well downstate, and her kitchen table issues may resonate even more as the touted economic economic recovery unravels... I also guess.


New nickname for Jo (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:22 PM)
New nickname for Jo Anne:

"Candy Cane Davis"



If I were in the Hou (Mark T. Blair - 4/4/2006 11:30:22 PM)
If I were in the House, I would introduce a bill:

[e]xpressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the symbols and traditions of Christmas, Kwanza, Hannuka, etc., etc....should be protected.

Would anyone vote against it?



I do agree with yo (tooconservative - 4/4/2006 11:30:22 PM)
  I do agree with you..

Many conservative are not being correct in their analysis.

It was NOT because Kilgore was a squishy liberal..as Gilmore and Bolling think.



I think Kilgore lost (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:22 PM)
I think Kilgore lost because Virginia isn't as knee-jerk Republican as people like to say.

Come on folks!  Don't buy into the propaganda!  We've had two Democrats in a row elected to the Governor's Mansion.

They key is you have to campaign everywhere.  One thing is certain, if you don't show up and ask a Virginian for their vote, you are unlikely to receive it.

Kerry pulled out of Virginia way too soon in 2004.  Leslie Byrne didn't spend enough time outside of her NOVA stronghold.  Whoever runs for Allen's senate seat will have to challenge everywhere.

If anyone out there is listening and is interested in being a U.S. Senator from Virginia consider this: 2006 is the year to run.  You have absolutely nothing to lose if you are serious about pursuing a Senate seat, and here's why:  you have a better chance of defeating Allen than you think. 

The Republican Party nationally is poised to implode over a series of scandals and a lot of that mud is going to land on George Allen. He will be more vulnerable in 2006 than he will ever be again.  Secondly, even if you run against Allen and lose, you will nevertheless gain so much name recognition that you will be well placed to run for John Warner's seat in 2008. 

The "buzz" on the street is that John Warner will not run again in 2008.  He's been a fantastic senator for our state, but Warner will be 81 in 2008, and he's probably getting sick of trying to rein in the wing-nuts in his own party.  If he does decline to run for re-election, there will be no incumbent, and you will start this race with an advantage in terms of name recognition because of your 2006 race against Allen.

So get off the fence and run, because 2006 is the best opportunity a Democrat has had in more than a decade.



Not exactly a scient (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:23 PM)
Not exactly a scientific poll, but the Doonesbury site at Slate showed (at the time I took the poll) that 73% of the responders thought the war on Christmas was bogus.

Take the poll here:

http://cgi.doonesbury.com/cgi-bin/view_poll.cgi

Wouldn't it be sweet justice if the war on Christmas boomeranged to become "The war on stupid legislators who waste time on make-believe wars"?



Nell: Thanks, I've (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Nell:  Thanks, I've corrected my egregious omission! - Lowell


Lowell, you claimed (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Lowell, you claimed that Jim Moran's rating was "decent." It is the lowest of all seven DC metro congressmen and it is lower than three-quarters of all Democratic congressmen.


We've also got (Jim E-H - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
We've also got http://www.kenlongmyerforcongress.com/' rel="nofollow">Ken Longmyer in the race against Davis.


J.C. Thanks very mu (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
J.C.  Thanks very much.


Matt: You insult us (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Matt:  You insult us as "hacks," tell us you have a "bridge to sell us," and then think we're going to take kindly to that just because you use lots of smiley faces?  Sorry, don't think so.  Happy lurking!


No I didn't use this (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
No I didn't use this site until after the election and by the way I voted for K***** for Governor.  This is my last post.  Merry Christmas.  Now I will go back to lurking :)


Couldn't help but no (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Couldn't help but notice the loud silence at the end of the Virgil Goode paragraph.  Are there not at least two potential Dem. candidates you might mention?


Matt: Weren't you t (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Matt:  Weren't you the same guy saying that GOVERNOR ELECT Kaine could never win?  Just sayin'


that survey is not a (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
that survey is not a true measure of progressiveness.  and with that post combined with several others over the past week,  This site is offically full of democratic partisan hacks.  (nothing wrong with that btw :))  Good luck in 06 and 08.  Something tells me the status quo will prevail.  If you actually think Warner has a chance against Hillary or any of the incumbants are going to be defeated for Virginia House. I have a bridge to sell you. 


And I'm Peyton Manni (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
And I'm Peyton Manning! :)


Mike Shear and Chris (PM - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Mike Shear and Chris Jenkins at the Post just called Davis a moderate Republican.  As far as I can see, Davis does a decent job on federal pay -- he has to because that's a major part of his constituency -- but then screws the middle class and lower on everything else.  People say he's a nice guy.  I say actions (and votes) speak louder than demeanor and words, and if he's a moderate I'm a first baseman.


Nice little summary (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:24 PM)
Nice little summary . . . I'm linking to it.


John: Exactly right (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
John:  Exactly right.  "War on terror" means Bush does whatever the hell he wants.  At least, that's the way HE sees it.


According to (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
According to Democracy Now:

President Bush has admitted he secretly ordered the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans without ever seeking court approval. Famed constitutional attorney Martin Garbus and former intelligence officer, Christopher Pyle both say it is an impeachable offense.


Dan: First of all (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
Dan:

First of all it specifically breaks a law passed in 1978.  It's also against a Supreme Court rulling US vs. Nixon that ended in the impeachment of another president.

The argument Nixon made didn't work and neither does this.

Furthermore, the so-called War powers that Bush claims don't apply because CONGRESS NEVER DECLARED WAR.

See, Congress approved the use of force, condtingent btw on a dozen different provisions that Mr. Bush wrecklessly disregarded.  Congress did not declare War.

The sick and stupid thing about this is that after 9/11 the US population would have done anything Bush wanted if he'd just leveled with them.  He didn't.  He lied again and again and again and now he's coming back and saying "Trust me."  The time for trust was lost sometime between WMD, Flawed Intelligence, Abu Gahrib, Scooter Libby, Valerie plame and the Secret CIA Prisons.

No more trust.  No more time.  No more lies.

We won't and can't know whether Bush had the NSA bug anyone who fell outside of the classification of "Terrorist".  It'll take an act of congress to sub poena those records.

And a citizen cannot sue unless he can show specific damage.  If, however, a citizen can show specific damage or if the information was shared with anyone outside of national security, Bush would not only be impeachable but also would be fair game for any of a number of felonious criminal charges.

As this thing unfolds, there's no limit to the damage Bush could sustain.  He's already admitted it, now it's just a matter what he's admitted to.



Also, see here for an interesting take on this subject...


In my opinion this d (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
In my opinion this does not constitute an impeachment.

What it does constitute is a hearing by Congress to stand up and say "hey this isn't right!"

That is why our system has checks and balances. When the executive branch goes too far another branch should stand up and stop them. If congress says enough is enough and he continues... THAT is impeachable. Just like how having sex with an intern isn't impeachable, but lying about it under oath is a different story.



Steve, If, in my (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:25 PM)
Steve,

If, in my opinion, snipers should get the keys to the city, does it matter?  Killing innocent people is illegal.

The only opinions, in truth, that could have some bearing on this would be 8 guys and a lady in long robes: The Supreme Court.

It's obvious that this is both illegal, unconstitutional, and really dangerous to the cause of American freedoms.

Hamilton's Ghost is screaming in pain today.



My two cents, from m (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:26 PM)
My two cents, from my own blog:

" . . .like many of you, I am digesting the news that President Bush has ordered a U.S. intelligence agency to spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant or showing probable cause. I am not a Constitutional law attorney (I'm a tax attorney), but this sounds to me like a clear violation of the fourth amendment.

President Bush has tried to justify his actions based on his belief that it was his responsibility to protect the United States from another attack that could kill "thousands." In doing so, he has violated his oath to uphold our Consitution. I do not believe that we should give into fear. I do not believe we should give up our freedoms in order to purchase some additional margin of safety. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of U.S. servicemen and women have died or suffered terrible wounds to purchase and protect the rights we enjoy under the U.S. Constitution.

It is my belief that the only moral position we as Americans can take is to maintain our freedom against all threats, foreign and domestic. If that means we must risk additional terrorist attacks, then so be it. To do anything else would be an infamous betrayal of the sacrifices our nation's patriots have been making since April 19, 1775, when the minutemen of Lexington and Concord challenged tyranny against impossible odds.

Can we do any less?"

And, while shamelessly replying to my own post:

" . . . FISA has always allowed domestic wiretaps with oversight from the secret court. It even allows the government to tap for up to 72 hours without a warrant in an emergency, so long as the government goes before the court and explains its reasoning and obtains a warrent retroactively.

This is pretty tolerant, but even so, it was too much for George W. Bush. He insists on throwing out all Constitutional precedent on wiretapping. George W. Bush believes that he should be President, legislator and judiciary. Congress should take heed: in a dictatorship the legislature is as irrelevant as the judiciary."



I don't generally li (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:26 PM)
I don't generally like negativity. But since you clearly are for Warner, and i know that up front, I'd love to see your 10 things you don't like about George Allen.


In a decade or so, w (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:31 PM)
In a decade or so, we'll look back at these times and gasp at the audacity of the false religious zealotry that tried to usurp control of education under the moniker "Intelligent Design". 

If you want to explore creationism, God has blessed America with the freedom for you to do so.  When we mistake faith for science we destroy faith, we destroy science, and ultimately we destroy America.

Today is a landmark day for the religious faithful in America.  This is the first true defeat to those who would foul the divine with the merely mundane in the interest of a political power grab.

My prayers are answered.



Ironically, lowell y (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:31 PM)
Ironically, lowell you tagged this post:

National Religion

how telling...



How is Harris's jack (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
How is Harris's jacket doing?


Here are Emmy nomina (Michael Emmons - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
Here are Emmy nominated news reports from WKMG CBS Orlando.

http://www.outsourcecongress.org/video/0_WKMG_20030216.wmv

In the following video Harris Miller is interviewed (at about 3:34 into the video) http://www.outsourcecongress.org/video/0_WKMG_20030217.wmv

He's interviewed here too; at 3:45
http://www.outsourcecongress.org/video/WKMG_Tuesday_20030218_2.wmv

He says "those people that when the music stops in the musical chairs game; they end up without a seat they have to lash out at foreign workers "  yet we're told to either quit or stay on and train our foreign replacements(his replacements.)

More videos regarding H-1b and L-1 replacement visas can be found here http://www.outsourcecongress.org/video/
http://www.Zazona.com
http://www.HireAmericaCitizens.org
http://www.TORAW.org
http://www.h1b.info
http://www.NoMoreH1b.com



I absolutey despise (Michael Emmons - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
I absolutey despise what Harris Miller stands for.

Harris Miller lobbies for foreign replacement workers on H-1b and L-1 temporary "guestworker" visas.

I am one of approximately 20 American tech workers that were ordered by corporate mgmt to train our foreign replacement workers.  Visit http://www.OutsourceCongress.org/ to see the media reports on our replacement. 

This would be foreign visa holders on Harris Miller's H-1b and L-1 visas, the visas he lobbies for because; as he puts it 'there aren't enough Americans like me working in technology.' 

But, I spent 5 months training 3 Tata India(one of Harris' supporting companies) employees so I could be dumped from the workforce.  By now, the Americans have been replaced.  Our Lake Mary, FL office is full of replacement workers from India. They continue to work in the same desks, using the same phones, doing the same work as we did.

This is what Harris Miller has lobbies Congress for.

These visas aren't just for tech workers.  See how these visas are targeted to virtually every industry.  http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/



James Webb certainly (pro-life dem - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
James Webb certainly has the bio.  The fact that he has been a Republican doesn't bother me.  He seems like he would be an intelligent and articulate candidate who would govern instead of being a partisan hack.  This is the perfect person to run against someone like Allen.

This race is winnable, Allen does not have a lock.  The dems just need a good candidate



I agree with Duke. (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
I agree with Duke.  Webb is the only viable candidate.  I don't even think Deeds could beat Allen. 
But could Deeds run against Jo Ann Davis?


Webb is the guy we n (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
Webb is the guy we need if he wants it.  Question is, has he said no?  The interview with the San Diego Tribune where he indicates an interest in running is still at www.jameswebb.com .

Say NO to the political bosses.  We have the internet infrastructure to do fundraising and recruit volunteers.  Obviously, we need to get everyone on board ASAP.  I am tired of losing.  How about you?



Missy: I thought the (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
Missy: I thought the Democratic Presidential primaries in 2004 were going great...lots of publicity for the candidates, shouldn't have ended so early.  Just my opinion...


I disagree about a p (Missy - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
I disagree about a primary being a good thing Lowell.  I think that we need to learn from Republicans and stop eating our own with primaries.  We need to be unified and behind whomever runs 100% in order to defeat a strong incumbent like Allen.  If there is a primary that causes a rift between factions of the republican party, we have a strong chance of losing because Allen will be able to exploit the Democrats political infighting.


Harris Miller may be (Duke - 4/4/2006 11:30:33 PM)
Harris Miller may be a fine man and might make a good senator. I don't know anything more about the man than I've read here.

I do know that he has no chance of defeating George Allen and won't even cause Allen to break a sweat. We don't need a place-holder on the ballot; we need a winner.

We want James Webb. He'll shove George Allen's soft teeth down his whining throat.



Harris Miller has no (Kim Berry - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
Harris Miller has no integrity. In 2002 ITAA released a study on tech job growth in the upcoming year that was so absurd that I wagered them $1000 that it would turn out to be false:

http://www.techsunite.org/news/techind/itaa_bet.cfm

"My offer to ITAA and MDC stands [Market Decisions Corporation conducts workforce studies for the ITAA]: I'll wager $1000 that  your study is flawed, and that there will not be over 1,000,000 new IT jobs created in 2003, with 500,000 going unfilled. Are either of you willing to back your studies and press releases?" Berry wrote in an email dated several weeks after the study came out.

Not only did ITAA President Harris Miller not have the backbone to take the wager, his organization would not even defend their own study in the press.

Miller's anti-American agenda over the past several years has been to destroy the job market for U.S. tech workers by lobbying for increases in cheap foreign labor.

As Senator, citizens of Virginia can that expect Miller will continue to sell them out to corporate interests, and there is no evidence that Miller has evolved a backbone in the past four years.

If Virginans are seeking a Senator who will lobby to flood their state with cheap foreign labor and consider immigration attorneys as his primary constituents, then Miller is their man.

Mr. Kim Berry
President, the Programmers Guild



Saurabh, xenophob (Gina Minks - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
Saurabh,

xenophobia means "A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign". None of the comments on this page showed fear or contemption for foreigners.

They did, however, point out specific events that have been repeated over and over which are shutting Americans out of IT work in our own country.

This country was founded on the democratic ideals that everyone should be given a fair shot at life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If you read what the comments are saying, you will see that Harris Miller's lobbying efforts have resulted in reducing American's chances to work in the fields they have trained in.

Trying to shut down discussions about the history of the H1B visa program because it makes you feel uncomfortable is very dangerous, because it hides the truth of what is happening.

It is like the misstatement that this country is made of immigrants. I sure hope you don't live in Viriginia and believe that!

The true history of this country is repeating itself again with mass immigration. And as before, people and cultures are being tossed aside and forgotten in the name of economic progress.

In a true democratic country, discussion around this would be welcomed.



As a Democrat I will (Roy Lawson - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
As a Democrat I will spend my last breath fighting against Miller.  Democrats should not discrace the party with this man on the ticket.

He is rapidly anti-worker.  I always hoped I would have a chance to pay Miller back for lobbying against American IT workers and thank God that chance has come.  He pressured Congress to raise the H1-B visa cap, and effectively gave pink slips to 500,000 IT workers --a number that is now growing.

If you are a true Democrat, you will oppose this man.  He stands against our principles and represents what is best for business.  When the interests of America and Business diverge, he sticks with business and turns his back on America.

You can contact me anytime for more information on why Miller is bad for America.

-Roy Lawson
Board Member
Programmers Guild
roy@programmersguild.org



By the way, H1B visa (Saurabh - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
By the way, H1B visas are also the same visas that foreign students who graduate from US universities get to work here. Most of these students are the brightest in their graduating classes and can only afford to be here because of full scholarships. L1 visas are given by companies for intra-transfer within the same company with multinational presence.

Stop using your xenophobic sites and for once, I know its hard, give Indian immigrants some credit for the technological boom in this country.



It is quite sad to s (Saurabh - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
It is quite sad to see some of the Democrats talking about H1B visas and Indians as criminals or job thiefs. This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if I should even be a Democrat, or does this party not welcome Asians either. So many of these new technologies you see now, like hotmail.com, were created by H1B Indian workers working here. Why is it so wrong for other countries in the world to prosper as well? Silicon Valley is more than 50% Asian, do you ever stop to think that there was a shortage of computer professionals in America? Not all of us are low waged workers working from IBM's basement.

It is your xenophobia that has kept Asians out of the Democratic party for long and even Hispanics are leaving the party en masse.

Until the world economy is re-aligned, major shifts will continue. America is a country of immigrants.



Michael, Kim, Bill: (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
Michael, Kim, Bill:  What do you think of James Webb?  I've met him and I am EXTREMELY impressed. This guy's the real deal, no fooling!


Harris Miller is a t (Dawn Teo - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
Harris Miller is a traitor to the American people. Anyone who supports his candidacy is either an idiot or another traitor.


Harris Miller betray (Vicky Davis - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
Harris Miller betrayed the American people with his activities in India.  He lobbied the U.S. congress for tax breaks and increased H-1B's for imported tech workers - at the same time he was working with India to establish the marketing and infrastructure there. 

Silicon Valley is now in India thanks in large part to the efforts of Harris Miller. 

http://www.channelingreality.com/Cards/harris_miller.htm

Choose ANYBODY.... pick up a bum off the street and they would be better than Harris Miller. 



As past president of (Bill Reed - 4/4/2006 11:30:34 PM)
As past president of the American Engineering Association, I have seen the damage that Miller has been able to do to the American technical community.

If Virginians want more foreign workers and more companies offshoring American jobs to India and China and a host of other countries, Miller is your man.

If you need a phony study or a number of phony studies done, Miller is your man. He is very experienced at this.

It's my personal opinion Miller would trade his mother for another foreign worker. I would not trust him.



Dannyboy: That's ne (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:35 PM)
Dannyboy:  That's news to me. Where did you hear that?


Webb is the man if h (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:30:35 PM)
Webb is the man if he'll run.  That is if Creigh Deeds doesn't want it.  I really like Deeds.  Harris makes me want to stay home on election day......Actually I would probably vote for anyone over "No original ideas" Allen.  I would just have to pinch my nose to vote for Harris.


I am absolutely oppo (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:35 PM)
I am absolutely opposed to Miller and hugely in favor of Webb.  However, I have heard the Webb is not interested in running anymore.  Flattered, and he may think seriously about running some other time, but apparently not this year.  If this is true, all is lost, and I have no hope for defeating Allen. 

If Miller is the D, here's my prediction:
George Allen (R): 54%
Harris Miller (D): 45%
Others: 1%



Look at this from TP (Michael Collins - 4/4/2006 11:30:35 PM)
Look at this from TPM CAFE

TPM CAFÉ:  “Politics, Ideas and Lots of Caffeine”
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2006/1/6/23532/17147:

  "The vendor community doesn't like it. "We oppose the idea of a voter-verified paper trail," says Harris Miller, president of the trade group Information Technology Association of America. Introducing paper into the mix, he says, defeats the improved efficiency and reliability e-voting promises. "There was never a golden age when paper ballots were accurately counted," Miller says. Adding paper to e-voting will only make the process of administering elections more costly and time-consuming without improving accuracy, opponents assert.

Huh?  WTF?  I know there may have been problems in the past with voting systems, but shouldn't we be striving to do better?"
------  -------  ------- ------- -------
In case the party didn't notice, the A.G. race recount never happened.  Nobody could open, look at or evaluate the Diebold, AVS (Winvote), ESS, etc. machines.  We were screwed, big time.  Miller was the lobbyist for the Diebolds of the world--coming up with an attack strategy against "critics" to help boost the sagging vendors. 

He is an enemy of free and fair elections in the past.

Is the US Senate the reward for this?

Surely we can and will do much better.

Regarding outsourcing, if he's clealry on record for this, forget it in much of No VA.  Many tech professionals know what this means--loss of income, loss of jobs.

I'd say Webb deserves a very serious look.

Plus I saw him speak.  He lacks any real charisma, or maybe he just projects the accurate image.  He won't do, unless we want to lose.



Saurabh, I do liv (m g - 4/4/2006 11:30:35 PM)
Saurabh,

I do live in virginia and I DEFINITELY appreciate the contribution of asian americans.  The contribution of vietnameese Pho alone is a testament to the benefits of immigration.  As a libertarian who leans democratic, it is really dissapointing to see democrats just as eager to jump on the anti-immigrant train. 
Of course, I'm biased because I'm descendent from Irish and Polish immigrants so I will always be in favor of allowing hardworking immigrants to come to our country and to contribute to our wealth. 
Its especially weird to see people doubting the benefits of immigration in NOVA where incomes skyrocketed in a large part due to the high tech economy that warner helped cultivate.  Hopefully for the democrats, people like these wont annoy us so much that theyll lose our votes.



This man can not be (Scott Rusoff - 4/4/2006 11:30:36 PM)
This man can not be trusted. The only people that will benefit from him being in the Senate are those in India.


From http://www.zazo (Gainni Bradlow - 4/4/2006 11:30:36 PM)
From http://www.zazona.com/shameh1b/Skunks.htm ...

[Harris Miller's] firm helped farmers to bring in "temporary" agricultural workers from Mexico. These farmers wanted to undercut gains that Cesar Chavez and UFW had made. This boosted the profits of Miller's agribusiness clients. Harris painted such pictures as "fields full of crops, just lying there, rotting in the sun because of the 'crisis' of a 'shortage' of farm workers." This was a prelude to using the same strategies for an organization that Harris founded in the late 1980s, the ITAA, which is a lobbying organization that represents "high tech" firms. He merely substituted the category of scientist and engineer that was in highest demand for the agricultural worker. He has become very wealthy from the new "high-tech bracero" program.

This bum is a Democrat?



Harris Miller, is no (angry_engineer - 4/4/2006 11:30:36 PM)
Harris Miller, is not, as reported by some a an "IT executive" or “computer entrepreneur”.

As the long-time head of the ITAA lobby, Miller has adopted and advanced the most extreme and deceitful positions in support of outsourcing American middle class “high tech” information technology jobs. 

Far from being a “businessman” or man of the people, Miller is part and parcel of the vast corrupt corporate domination at the heart of the anti-democratic special-interest driven politics of Washington.

Miller is one of the staunch defenders and strongest proponents of the corporate worker replacement programs -- the “Non-Immigrant Visa” (NIV)  H-1b and L-1 visa programs.

In his role at the ITAA Miller has sought massive expansion of these programs and quite successfully convinced Congress to regularly raise the caps while spreading lies about the "need" for hundreds of thousands of foreign high tech workers due to fabricated "shortages".

These programs, far from alleviating a “skills shortage” in the U.S., have been used as American worker replacement programs facilitating the offshore outsourcing and "insourcing replacement" of hundreds of thousands of American high tech sector jobs.

Contrary to ITAA propaganda, these are/were not the jobs of the priviliged elite. Many of these jobs paid no more than a middle/upper middle income. It's not the problem of a bunch of elitist Silicon Valley engineers...

Not surprisingly, Miller is one of the most despised and hated men in America among people opposed to outsourcing and worker replacement programs in the high tech sector. Dr. Norm Matloff, professor of computer science at U.C. Davis, a self-described Democrat,  has written so much critical material about Miller that it could fill volumes!

My own initial article about the declining opportunities for Americans in IT (“Lost Your Job Yet?” at  www.computerworld.com  See http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2004/0,4814,92150,00.html) was written in direct response to a release by Miller and the ITAA.

Many of the formerly middle class American workers who have felt the blow of outsourcing/NIV in the tech sector have a visceral hatred of Miller and groups such as the ITAA. They’ve ruined lives and corrupted our government…

Miller epitomises the rot and corruption inside the Democratic Party which has basically prostituted the party...

I don’t know James Webb’s views on free trade/outsourcing but I know enough about Miller to be utterly disgusted.



Saurabh Says: "I (Jerry Hale - 4/4/2006 11:30:36 PM)
Saurabh Says:

"It is quite sad to see some of the Democrats talking about H1B visas and Indians as criminals or job thiefs."

Umm, try again.

"So many of these new technologies you see now, like hotmail.com, were created by H1B Indian workers working here."

Umm, try again.

In my opinion Harris Miller has almost single handedly decimated the ranks of American software engineers, and he has _never_ had to defend or even _explain_ any of the statements or wild projections he has made before Congress.

One cannot put it more clearly than this -

angry_engineer Says:
"Miller epitomises the rot and corruption inside the Democratic Party which has basically prostituted the party…"



Just realised (in Fe (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:30:36 PM)
Just realised (in Feb) that you asked, Lowell.  Um...let's see...Heard that a while back.  Rumors, mostly.  Can't remember who the hell it was for the life of me...anyway, I appeared to be right...then wrong!  Ha!  Let's hope he goes all the way and decides to completely recant the decision not to run.


That's a good questi (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
That's a good question Adam. Why even have laws? Maybe Bush should just appoint himself King.

Actually maybe one of us should do a preemptive attack like he did on Iraq and beat him to the punch. I'll take one for the team...

I am the new King. Bow down to me!



Steve, Your 11:01 (chris hall - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
Steve,

Your 11:01 point and question were well-posed and well-taken.  I confess that I am not a lawyer, so sometimes the legal nuances are a little, well, nuanced for me.  However, when I read the bit (below) from a case decided in 2002 by the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, I can't help but think that there is at least some reason to believe that the President had the authority to do what he did.  If it turned out that the President was applying Presidential authority to persecute his political enemies or to protect himself from being discovered in the act of other crimes, then I'd be asking you for a hand up onto the impeachment bandwagon.  Here's the relevant bit of the FISA decision (courtesy John Hinderaker):
"The Truong court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. It was incumbent upon the court, therefore, to determine the boundaries of that constitutional authority in the case before it. We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power. "

Again, I'm not claiming to know the whole story -- I just think there's plenty of justification for giving the benefit of the doubt, rather than scrambling to sell seats at the impeachment hearings.

As I said, the 11:01 comment/question were coherent and cogent.  The King bit is just a wee bit silly, though, IMNSHO.



Maybe this explains why Bush wasn't using FISA.


Yep, the American pe (chris hall - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
Yep, the American people are waking up.  Rasmussen reports, for example: "Tuesday December 27, 2005 -- Forty-eight (48%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's the fourth consecutive day that the President's Approval Rating has been at 48% or above.

He earns approval from 79% of Republicans, 25% of Democrats, and 38% of those not affiliated with either major political party."

Another letter in that day's Courier-Journal included "I would like to end by saying: Thank you, President Bush, for looking out for my freedoms and the safety of my family and me."

The Roanoke Times also has plenty of "Impeach. Bush. Now." letters.  I expect that the writers have to speak in one-word sentences to avoid bursting blood vessels in their heads brought on by advanced Bush Derangement Syndrome.

What I can't figure out is why these folks can't be bothered to investigate the reality of the situation, which is that previous presidents have invoked the same authority to carry out essentially the same actions, and courts have upheld that authority time after time.



Yes, I think the fer (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
Yes, I think the ferment has only just begun.  This is going to unite Americans from almost every political stripe against the Bush-Cheney faction of the Republican Party.


Chris you're right, (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:37 PM)
Chris you're right, the previous presidents invoked the same authority to wiretap. The difference with the previous presidents is they followed the rules. They obtained the necessary warrants from FISA judges.

The whole point of FISA is to maintain the checks and balances that our entire governmental system is built upon while not slowing down the FBI, NSA, CIA with beauracracy. It's a very clever system that's been in place for 30 some years.

The only reason I can think of that Bush is against it is that it removes the paper trail of who is being wiretapped. Why do you think he's against using FISA?



Ahh... this is a stu (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:30:39 PM)
Ahh... this is a stupid question, but I don't get it?


I think this is the (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:39 PM)
I think this is the simpler solution:

http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gwb1sn.jpg



Brilliant. Wonket (PM - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
Brilliant.

Wonkette has improved upon the phrase Fitzsmas, calling the expectancy of the Abramoff plea "Abramoffukah."



That's because the W (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
That's because the Wonkette hasn't heard of "Abramokwanzaa."

This a totally different scandal, therefore, we must exploit an entirely different tradition.



love it (pro-life dem - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)


We should have bumpe (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)
We should have bumper stickers made.


Array (solyak1 - 4/4/2006 11:30:40 PM)


Sam: So, the counte (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:42 PM)
Sam:  So, the counterargument to Bush is "shoot the messenger," huh?  Please read this, then, and tell me how Thompson doesn't have a HUGE amount of credibility?  Give me a break: this SWVA  boy has been doing great journalism since he was 10 years old, when he wrote a story about school racial integration for the Farmville Herald.  Thompson has won numerous journalistic awards in his career and was a founding member of the Project for Comprehensive Campaign Reform.  His work has appeared in Esquire, Life, Look, National Geographic, Sports Illustrated, Paris Match, AFP, the Associated Press and Reuters.  Yeah, I'd say he "has a LOT of credibility!"  Heh.


Dan: Was the Cindy (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:43 PM)
Dan:  Was the Cindy Sheehan comment every proven to be untrue?  Same thing with the report that Bush was "angry, unstable, and had a violent temper." I've heard that from plenty of other sources as well.  Also, see this diary about how Capitol Hill Blue broke the story about Bush letting the NSA spy on Americans without a court order...


Lowell, you're a cow (Sam. - 4/4/2006 11:30:44 PM)
Lowell, you're a coward.  But you already knew that.


Sam: Merry Christmas (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:45 PM)
Sam: Merry Christmas to you too!


I don't think CHB ha (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:45 PM)
I don't think CHB has the best credibility.  They have reported stories of Bush seemingly on the verge of some kind of psychotic break, which have never shown any basis in reality, for example.  (After all, psychopaths don't generally have psychotic breaks--they are usually very happy with themselves, if they can be said to feel anything.)  FWIW, I'd use caution in passing on CHB stories.  (Not that I woouldn't LOVE to believe them--they have all the attractiveness of urban myth!)


easy answer: Hell Y (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
easy answer:  Hell YEAH! 


I certainly enjoy th (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
I certainly enjoy the blog--but I can well understand that you might be burnt out.  I don't know how the other progressive blogs are doing.  Of course, there is always the "preching to the choir" syndrome.  Maybe soime sort of blog consolidation could occur??? And personally, I think that blogs can get grassroots support of legislation--which would kind of be a new direction for RK from solely supporting candidates.  Also, I think a big issue is campaign finance reform--is there a chance that VA could do what CT has just done?
Whatever you decide to do, thanks so much for your time and effort on RK.


Hell man you are jus (Jim Keney - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
Hell man you are just catching on!! Don't quit now.


As long as you keep (Alice Marshall - 4/4/2006 11:30:46 PM)
As long as you keep posting, I will keep reading and keep sending the links around.

In 2002 lefty blogosphere was totally outnumbered by rightwing blogosphere, both in number of blogs and readers. Didn't get bigger than Right Wing blogospehre until the summer of 2004.

The General Assembly will offer the Virginia Democratic bloggers a new opportunity to server readers. Keep the faith.



Adam: Thanks very m (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Adam:  Thanks very much, I really appreciate it!

Timothy:  We talked about changing the name, but the consensus was that everyone knew "Raising Kaine" so we should keep it.  If we were Arizona, I'd definitely change the name, although that woudn't be very original I suppose... :)

Seriously, though, we're hoping to switch over to more of a "Scoop"-like format, hopefully in the near future, at which point we'll be much more open to people writing "diaries" - just like on Daily Kos.  Right now, we're having a few growing pains...but I'm hoping that those get resolved.

As far as the smaller Virginia Dem/Progressive blogs are concerned, I would encourage them to keep doin' their thing but also to crosspost on Raising Kaine when we get our Scoop-style site up and running.  Thanks.



Keep doing it as lon (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Keep doing it as long as you enjoy it and are getting interesting postings from readers.

I refuse to look at the visitor logs for my own blog, because I don't want to get obsessed with how many readers I have each day.



A while back, during (John McCreery - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
A while back, during the campaign, I kicked in $350 to help fund some grassroots organizing. I'd like to see more of that kind of project and will happily do what I can to help fund it. Now is the time for serious party-building, a.k.a., reaching out one-on-one to build a bigger activist core. The 2006 elections are already looming. Let's get off our asses. It's like Paul Wellstone used to say. Job No. 1 is "Organize, Energize, Mobilize!" 


Josh: That's good t (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Josh:  That's good to know...thanks. Now, go vote in the exclusive Raising Kaine, Webb-Miller poll! :)


Lowell: If you w (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Lowell:

If you were to quit tomorrow the rest of the RK crew and I would step in and make it happen.  RK wouldn't be half as good, but it would continue.

With you or without you, RK will live.  Without you it wouldn't be great, but it would serve.



"The Rev:" Thanks, h (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
"The Rev:" Thanks, how can I argue with a Reverend?  Ha ha. 

JC:  You're right about Rush.  Also, I would argue that conservatives are drawn more to "ditto"-like conformity, combined with ANGER, of course!  Democrats seem to tend more towards analysis and discussion, although they're certainly angry too  at Bush and the right-wing radicals who are destroying the country.  Not as much lockstep and "ditto-ism" among the "reality based community" (Dems), as far as I can tell...



The RK site has been (The Rev - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
The RK site has been a tremendous tool for me and my family this past election year in keeping us informed on happens and events and news of the opposition and their platform, to everyone who contributed and posted I say Great Job, I visit this site everyday that I am close to my computer, I can’t speak for everyone but for me it is a fantastic tool for keeping everyone informed energized and together on the candidates and issues we support, I say keep it going and we all can help in improving and expanding.


"J.C.: Perhaps you’r (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
"J.C.: Perhaps you’re right about the readership. The question is, why aren’t we seeing the same pattern with the Conservative blogs. Are Dems less focused, less obsessed with this stuff? Do they need to be in order to consistently defeat the right wing?"

Lowell:

Comparing Progressive blogs to Conservative blogs is comparing apples to oranges. 

Keep in mind that most hard core Conservatives cut their teeth on Rush Limaugh and his ilk. They often seem to use blogs as an alternative-counter media, to create their own reality.

Progressives can turn on CNN and get a decent version of reality, so the purpose of Progressive blogs seems to be to discuss reality and shine additional light on issues that concern us.

Now, that being said, I do think we need to do more to build readership.  I'm still learning in that regard.



Yes, don't misinterp (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Yes, don't misinterpret the post-election dip in readership as people losing interest.  It's the holidays.  Heck, I got 20 hits yesterday (and I was surprised to get that many).

New elections are coming, and readership will climb because of that.  Moreover, and I have alluded to this before, you woould be surprised who reads our blogs.  Yes, our core readership is small when compared with Boing! Boing!, but our readers include newspaper editiors, political reporters, officeholders, candidates, and top staffers.  Quality over quantity.

You may want to make adjustments for work-life balance, but RK should definitely stay on as the flagship progressive blog in Virginia.



Lowell, I can't tel (Maria - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Lowell,
I can't tell you how many times I have used the material you provide to keep the voters in my area informed.  As a precinct captain, I send a monthly newsletters to the Dems in my area to keep them informed and engaged. Kind of "we do the research so you don't have to." That is precisely the way I feel about RK: you guys do the research, the reading, you find out and ask the hard questions and I benefit and all the voters in my precinct do too. I believe your hard work was in part resposible for a BIG win for Steve Shannon and Tim Kaine here in my precint (a VERY conservative neighborhood in Fairfax County!)  We linked many RK articles and the voters read, got the info, understood the issues much better and voted to put the best candidate in the Governor's Mansion.  Keep up the good work, Lowell!  I'm telling you, you make my job easier.  Don't give up. Vamos pa'lante!


Tom/Kevin: Good poi (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Tom/Kevin:  Good points.  I was only speaking for myself, by the way, not about the rest of the Raising Kaine crew...


Rob: Well, that's s (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Rob:  Well, that's straightforward and to the point.  Ha ha.

summercat:  Thanks, that means a lot.

Dan: Your passion is amazing...now if we could just get a few thousand more of you in this country, we'd have a freakin' Progressive revolution!

Alice:  Thanks for the encouragement, even though we disagree politically in many ways...

J.C.:  Perhaps you're right about the readership.  The question is, why aren't we seeing the same pattern with the Conservative blogs.  Are Dems less focused, less obsessed with this stuff?  Do they need to be in order to consistently defeat the right wing?

Mike:  Thanks, your comment means a great deal to me.  Just to reciprocate, I certainly wouldn't wish the Republican blogs to go away...I just want to kick their butts!!  Ha ha.

Sam:  Yeah, drank too much eggnog yesterday...still working it off.  Don't tell your parents!  :)



Lowell, are you drun (Sam Penney - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
Lowell, are you drunk?!?!?!  OF COURSE we should keep Raising Kaine!!!!!


You have a fantastic (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
You have a fantastic thing going on here Mr Feld.  However you should change the name of the blog to "Raising Virginia"  "Home of the effort to build a New Domininion"  You should also have Virginia progressive bloggers who don't have much traffic drop their less than effective blogs and sign up as writers here also you should have guest bloggers whom drop in from time to time like Tim Kaine, Creigh Deeds and out of state bloggers and political experts who can bring a unique perspective on your statewide poltical issues, such as religious right expert Fredrick Clarkson and expert on pseduoscience and quackary James Randi. 


It could be the fact (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:30:47 PM)
It could be the fact that some of the conservative blogs are a little bit more established than Raising Kaine.  You could also be seeing the partisan leanings of the state.  Progressives are making inroads but we are nowhere close to being a majority.  Taking one of the strongest blogs out there (Waldo's up there too) for progressives and taking it down will set us back for a couple of years.  We will lose a lot of traction and our side of the story will be lost. 


See here and here for more comments on this subject...


Independent Greens G (Carey Campbell - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Independent Greens Gail Parker launches a petition drive for U.S. Senate on January 1, 2006 to recruit Independent green candidates to advocate "More Trains, Less Traffic".


Note: Gail Parker (w (ZB - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Note: Gail Parker (who garnered a 3.3% in her 2005 House of Delegates race in the 44th Distrct) is the same person as 2002 unsuccessful Democratic Senate candidate Glenda Crook.  The Democrats chose not to run ANYONE for Senate rather than nominate her.



I want Creigh Deeds (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
I want Creigh Deeds for US Senate!!
  His name is known.  He is well liked and he garnered 50% of the vote (minus a fleas whisker) despite the fact that he had half the money of his opponent and almost no promotion (I saw 500 McDonnell signs for ever Deeds).

  He showed much stronger than Kaine in many western counties, and with the funding of a US Senate race he would bring a strong message to every household.  He would motivate many now apathetic voters to his side, and sway many who "voted for the Republican because of habit."
  He is a progressive on core issues but is pragmatic and non-ideological on the hot button/devisive topics. He is a man for all Virginians. 
  Draft C. Deeds!!!

(Although if he doesn't run- I am with Webb) 



Gools: I love Creig (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Gools:  I love Creigh Deeds, but he ain't running for US Senate this year.  Which is one of the many reasons I say, GO WEBB!!!


Ken C. (Dec. 28), (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Ken C. (Dec. 28),
  Webb also earned the Navy Cross (one rung below the Medal of Honor).  They are earned easily. 


Typo. Navy Crosses (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Typo.  Navy Crosses are NOT earned easily.


Raising Kaine stay R (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Raising Kaine stay Raising Kaine. 

PLEASE!



I don't know Ken C. (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
I don't know Ken C. but he is exactly right.  That is why some of us are totally focused and doing everything we can to make this easier for Webb.  If you are interested just keep your eyes on this blog.

Refuse To Lose aka Commit Yourself To Winning



Today's paper report (J. Arnold Edelman - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Today's paper reports that Webb will run. That is good news. However, to win he will need enthusiastic support from all Democrats as well independents. His strong military experience and his excellent position on Iraq is a good start, but it is not enough. We will need to hear his views on taxes (and deficit financing), on energy policy, social security and health insurance, on public education and the backlog of infrastructure needs, on women's issues, etc.

At some point, I would be happy to help organize a public dicussion between Mr. Webb and Harris Miller in the Mount Vernon area.



I understand why som (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
I understand why some feel only a candidate like Webb could defeat entrenched good ol' boy Allen. But be careful what you wish for. Webb is being extremely coy about everything but fighting. So? I don't want a candidate who won't confess to his position on women's issues, on public education, on the environment... as well as civil liberties, foreign policy, millitary adventurism, and so on. Who the heck is he really?

If Webb keeps ditzing around ("I wanna be coaxed. Love me unreservedly!") even he will be behind the power curve, too late to mount an effective campaign.  Unless, of course, he already has all the moneymen and campaign monkeys lined up, and just isn't telling us.



Whoever we run, we'l (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Whoever we run, we'll be on our own.  Visit my site for the story and how I think we should proceed.


I am intrigued by th (Robley Jones - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
I am intrigued by the candidacy of James Webb.  I recently read his book, Born Fighting, and found it most interesting.

What I question is his attitudes regarding public education.  He had some comments in the book regarding the failure of public education that I do not believe are reflective of what is going on in Virginia's schools.  Virginia's schools are making remarkable strides, and the achievement of Virginia's students surpass the nation's average in every category.

I'd like to hear more from him on this topic.

Robley Jones
RobleyJ@aol.com



not informed (Jim Keney - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)


It's hard to know wh (ZB - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
It's hard to know what to think, not really knowing much about what James Webb stands for.  How about Lynda Robb?


Draft Ben Affleck!!! (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Draft Ben Affleck!!!  Ha!


I hope we can get mo (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
I hope we can get more people to sign up for the James Webb pledge. Personally i'd love to see 1000 people show their support for Webb from Raising Kaine. Who knows if this will make any difference or not, but it's sure worth a shot!


Former Indiana Senat (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
Former Indiana Senator Birch Bayh and if he doesn't run put up James Webb.


The idea here is to (Ken C. - 4/4/2006 11:30:48 PM)
The idea here is to WIN! If we want to win against the good ole boy, aw shucks, parrot for the "Bush-Cheney-Rove Hate Machine", Allen, the clear choice is Jim Webb.

Importantly, Webb has the courage to speak plainly and to stick to his core beliefs, even when they are not popular or "politically correct."

No more Kerry's!! 
Kerry greatly disappointed by not responding to the "swift boating" (unfortunately, now a part of the American lexicon) of him.  Jim Webb is a "man who went.”  (Silver Star, two Bronze Star, and two Purple Hearts).  This stands in marked contrast to Allen.  Therefore, when Allen plays "tough guy", we counter with a tougher-smarter-more accomplished, former Republican who turned on the "Bush-Rove Hate Machine.” 

In 1994, Webb stepped up and delivered an impassioned denunciation of the cynical attacks by Oliver North in his campaign against Chuck Robb, the seat that Allen later won.  There is some very sweet irony in the fact that Webb stands poised to run and WIN that very same seat next year. 

Our nation cries out for men of courage and conviction to lead us from the darkness that is the Bush-Cheney era.  I strongly encourage all to promote Jim Webb to step forward and take on one of the Bush-Cheney gang's consistent parrots, George Allen.  Virginia  deserves better than the craven rants of a failed governor who ascended to the Senate with the vigorous assistance of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk. 

Go to his website and explore, I believe you will conclude he has the right stuff to WIN and that is what it's all about.  Just let them try and "swift boat" Webb, he might just challenge them to step outside!

Forget "politically correct" let's WIN! You might not always agree with Webb, I don't either, but there will be no nuance with Webb and he will "give as good as he gets."
http://www.jameswebb.com/



I love this list!! (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
I love this list!!  Now, we have to hope that there will be credible candidates to run against all these guys.  (Any hope for VA campaign finance reform, statewide vote-by-mail, or redistricting?)
BTW, in response to these anti-gay folks, Jimmy Carter, in his book, Our Endangered Values, suggested that  if people really want to protect marriage, they should pass a Constitutional amendment against adultery and divorce.  I love that book--it should be reuired reading for any political candidate, IMO.


Ben, your sour-grape (Jim E-H - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
Ben, your sour-grapes attacks on Dave Marsden were tiresome months ago, they're even more tiresome now.  Here's a hint -- you're believing exactly what Cuccinelli *wants* you to believe.  Does that make you happy?  Cuccinelli can say whatever he wants, I'll wait to see if he's actually "elated" when Marsden takes office and starts voting.

(And Lowell -- which of Ben's comments did you think was "hilarious"?  I'm mystified.)



For example, Sen. Ke (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
For example, Sen. Ken Cuccinelli, R-Centerville, one of the most conservative Republican legislators in the state Senate had this to say about David Marsden:

“It would have been easy for David Marsden to never help me; he doesn’t even live in my district! But he not only worked the polls for me—he traveled into my district to distribute my sample ballots in two precincts! His efforts helped me carry the Braddock District in my last campaign!”

Cuccinelli is actually elated to have Democrat operatives pick up one of his former faithful volunteers to represent them in the General Assembly.

“I represent over 80 percent of this Delegate district, and have been a top statewide target for the Virginia Democratic Party and Governor Warner,” Cuccinelli said. “For Democratic activists to honor my record in this way was a rare surprise.”



Can Del.-Elect Marsd (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
Can Del.-Elect Marsden qualify for this list since he served as an agency head in the Gilmore administation?  Lots of social issues on here but what about a shout out to Dave for serving as a agency head in the administration that nearly bankrupted Virginia?


The Democratic Party (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
The Democratic Party is going to get bigger.  We are going to reach out.  We are going to open doors rather than close them.  The grassroots will be a huge part of this cause most of us understand the need to balance the tension between standing for principle and winning.  It is part of politics.

A word about Dave.  People can change.  The Republicans have left a lot of people behind the last several years.  Dave is a good guy.  I think he'll come through for us.

I'm all for recruiting former Republicans to run for office.  Anybody who has seen the light is good with me.



Jim: You're right, (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:49 PM)
Jim:  You're right, it's not "hilarious."  I've edited the post to reflect this more accurately.  Sorry for any misunderstanding.


Silly Jonathan Turle (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:50 PM)
Silly Jonathan Turley:  9/11 changed everything!  If the brown people can live with their relatives in a nice neighborhood, then the terrorists have won.


Yes, Turley certainl (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:50 PM)
Yes, Turley certainly IS silly...doesn't he realize how much easier it is to demagogue and pander to bigotry, especially in a time of "terror," than it is to uphold America's highest ideals? How naive can you BE?!?


Adam: So should Bil (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:50 PM)
Adam:  So should Bill Bolling, who ran an ad called "Border" during the recent campaign that was blatantly bigoted.  Frankly, it's horribying that a guy who was part of the "Enron of the Insurance Industry" (the Reciprocal Group) scandal and also dabbled in anti-Hispanic bigotry could possibly be our next Lt. Governor. I'm thrilled that Tim Kaine won, but for the most part this last election was a nightmare: "Gutter" Bolling, "Taliban Bob" McDonnell, Dave "Booze" Albo and "Sideshow Bob" Marshall all re-elected?  God help us.


If there's any doubt (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
If there's any doubt that this is a 100% Republican scandal, there shouldn't be.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/28/1655/0100

ALL of bagman Abramoff's money went to the Republican machine, only Republicans, and nobody but Republicans.

qed



Yes. I'll buy one. (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
Yes. I'll buy one.

However, I don't want to harm Jim Moran's health. I just want to make him do a stupid dance the next time he is on the Colbert Report. Does that cost extra?

On Star Trek aliens made Kirk and Spock do a jig, with their arms hanging loose like in Riverdance. Spock was actually a spirited dancer, Kirk was not so good.

If you could contact the person who makes the VooDoo dolls and ask for this power I would really appreciate it.



For sale: Jim Mor (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
For sale:

Jim Moran VooDoo Dolls!  Five bucks, guaranteed Santaria.  All you need is this doll and you can do anything you want to it.  Bite the head off a chicken and you can drive a stake through Jim Moran's head.  Gut a live brook trout and you'll be able to burn this doll and make Jim Moran blister.

Any takers?

Anyone...?



Exactly Josh - also (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
Exactly Josh - also note that all those under investigation are Republicans.  There was no need to "buy power" from the party out of power!


You mention the gamb (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:30:52 PM)
You mention the gambling-related efforts of Senators Allen and John Warner to recognize six Virginia Indian tribes.

Their ally Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) introduced a bill in the House to recognize those same Indian tribes. In a 6/24/04 article in the Falls Church News-Press, Moran stated:

"In an effort to address these past wrongs by giving the Virginia tribes the recognition they deserve, I have introduced the 'Thomasina E. Jordan Indian Tribes of Virginia Federal Recognition Act.' This bill would fully restore the six Virginia Indian tribes heritage, and provide the legal protections and financial obligations that the current 562 federally recognized tribes receive."

What Moran doesn't mention is that this federal recognition for the tribes would grant them the  right to operate casinos.

If Republicans John Warner and George Allen acted suspiciously in seeking to recognize these six tribes, then so did Democrat Jim Moran. Let's criticize all three.



Mr. Cavendish needs (Brave Hart - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
Mr. Cavendish needs help putting up signs let him know if you can help.


Ha!! Right back at (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
Ha!!  Right back at ya, J.C.  I say, "Wilmore for Blogger in Chief!"  :)


Next week he'll anno (JC - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
Next week he'll announce the Secretary of Blogging.  I've got my fingers crossed for ya Lowell.


Indeed. (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)


What do you think ou (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
What do you think our chances are with these three?


Jonathan: We don't (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
Jonathan:  We don't know if there's a connnection, just that there's an awful lot of smoke between Abramoff and several Virginia Republicans...


I would love to thin (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
I would love to think that Abramoff was pushing the recognition of Virginia Indian tribes. Because if he is then Moran is the one who introduced the legislation to do that in the House.

So was Abramoff pushing the recognition of Virginia Indian tribes? Were the Virginia tribes his clients?

Were you asserting a link between the Virginia Indian tribes and Abramoff?

If you are then so much the better. We will nail Moran on that because Moran introduced the House legislation to recognize those Virginia tribes.

But as far as I know there is unfortunately no evidence that Abramoff was pushing the recognition of the tribes.

Of course I think that the recognition of the Virginia tribes is crooked. Moran is in it up to his armpits, and this recognition will lead to casino gambling and lots of money for someone, perhaps for Friends of Jim.

But I didn't know that Abramoff was involved. Is he? Maybe other crooks were involved but Abramoff was not.

I had thought that the point that you were making was that the John Warner/George Allen bill to recognize the Virginia Indian tribes was suspicious, not that Abramoff specifically was behind it.

For that reason it is very relevant that Moran introduced the same bill in the House to recognize Virginia Indian tribes that John Warner and Allen introduced in the Senate. And if you criticize John Warner and George Allen for this legislation in the Senate then you ought to criticize Jim Moran for it in the House.



Jonathan: Why would (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)
Jonathan:  Why would I talk about Moran when he didn't take any contributions from Abramoff?  The issue here is whether or not there was a quid pro quo...not the case with Moran, as far as I know.


THE CAROLINE COU (Brave Hart - 4/4/2006 11:30:53 PM)

THE CAROLINE COUNTY DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE

December 26, 2005
Dear Voter:

The big statewide election of 2005 is over, and thanks to you, Caroline County went solidly Democratic, but we have some new business to attend to.
With the election of State Senator Bill Bolling as Lieutenant Governor, his seat in the General Assembly’s 4th Senate District, which includes Caroline County, will be vacant and must be filled in a special election to be held on January 3, 2006.
Your Caroline County Democratic Committee is pleased that Roger Cavendish, a longtime Caroline resident, self-made local businessman and generous Democratic supporter, has stepped forward as a candidate to fill that vacancy.
“It’s time for a Democratic senator who will support our newly elected Democratic Governor as he pursues his plans for transportation, education and building a better future for all citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia,” Roger said shortly after Tim Kaine’s victory in the November election to succeed Gov. Mark R. Warner.
We hope you will join us in supporting Roger in what will be a short but intense campaign against a career Republican politician being bankrolled by state and national GOP sources.
The campaign is going well so far. Roger is receiving support not only from Democrats but from Independent voters and independent-thinking Republicans looking for a state senator who is willing and able to devote his time and energy to serving the citizens of Caroline County.

CONCERNS OF THE 4TH DISTRICT
  “I’m neither a lawyer nor a career politician,” Roger said in announcing his campaign in front of the Caroline County Courthouse in Bowling Green.
“My pledge to each of you is that I will fully represent your interests and not my own, that I will not accept money from lobbyists and that I will devote whatever time it takes to resolving the challenges facing residents of the 4th District.”
As a businessman, father and grandfather, Roger is concerned about the manner in which state funds for education, roads, public safety and other essential needs are consistently allocated to more populated areas of Virginia, while rural areas are underfunded.
    He would seek to provide Caroline and other localities with the tools needed to manage the pressures of rapid growth, such as the right to impose impact fees and the right to reject subdivisions for which adequate services are not available.

RURAL ROOTS

Roger was born in the rural community of Gauley Bridge, W.Va., in 1950. He graduated from high school there, then served for four years in the U.S. Marine Corps, attaining the rank of sergeant.
Upon leaving the Marines, Roger embarked on what would become a successful career in the construction industry, starting literally at the bottom as an apprentice brick mason and rising through the ranks to become president and co-owner of Phoenix Masonry Inc., a leading regional contractor based in Fredericksburg.

FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICE
Roger and his former wife have a son, Chad, and three grandchildren on whom Roger dotes: Mason, 8, Audrey, 6, and Ethan, 4.
His “family” also includes a small herd of buffalo consisting of  “Charlie” the Bull Leader and “Cutie Pie,” “Sweetie Pie” and “Honey Pie,” all lovingly named by the grandchildren.
Roger has served as President of Lee Hill Estates Homeowners’ Association and as President of Westlake Forest Homeowners’ Association. He has been on the Board of Directors of the Caroline County Rotary Club and the Virginia Masonry Association.

Roger’s campaign is off and running, but more assistance from all of us in the form of immediate financial contributions and volunteer efforts is vitally needed.
There are many ways to help. Please join us by contributing in any way you can in the few days remaining before the January 3 special election. And, of course, we urge you to cast your vote and to persuade friends and family and neighbors to do the same.
If Caroline Democrats pull together as we did in the November elections, we can elect a candidate committed to represent the interests of ALL citizens in the 4th State Senate District.

  Sincerely,

  THE CAROLINE COUNTY DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP

BE SURE to vote on January 3 at your usual polling place

SEND your contribution to Roger G. Cavendish Campaign Committee

  18063 O’Brien Court, Milford, VA 22514

CALL Roger at (804) 633-1682 with questions, concerns or to offer any help you can

E-MAIL Roger at buffaloroger6@aol.com

PAID FOR AND AUTHORIZED BY THE CAVENDISH FOR SENATE CAMPAIGN



To our Republican re (Sam - 4/4/2006 11:30:56 PM)
To our Republican readers, I'd just like to make it clear that Lowell is joking, and that Host Excellence is an excellent host for political sites.  ;-)


How do you really fe (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:30:56 PM)
How do you really feel Lowell? :)


Good point, Sam. Hey (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:30:56 PM)
Good point, Sam. Hey Republicans, please all rush out and sign up with Host Excellence, right away!!! LOL


I switched all of my (Waldo Jaquith - 4/4/2006 11:31:04 PM)
I switched all of my sites to DreamHost a few weeks ago, and I'm quite happy with them.


Steve: Thanks for l (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:04 PM)
Steve:  Thanks for letting me know.  So what are some good, reasonably priced hosting companies out there?


He is 5' 6" and weig (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
He is 5' 6" and weighs 246 pounds. His BMI is double that of a healthy person. The Jerusalem Post called it "gargantuan."

Ariel did a great job the last few years. However, it is too bad that he did not watch his weight. He might have stayed healthy and in office another five years.



According to our fav (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
According to our favorite television evangelist Pat Robertson Sharon got what he deserved - Via CNN

"...Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.

"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/



"And no, I NEVER tho (Ellen Dana Nagler - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
"And no, I NEVER thought I’d be saying that about Ariel Sharon, who I used to despise as a hard-line right winger."

Yes, Lowell, I and friends have shared that view as well. His illness and inevitable disappearance from the stage of government leaves a terrible situation even worse. I shudder to think that Bibi will take the helm.



Sharon is 77 and gro (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
Sharon is 77 and grossly obese.


Mr. Webb - I just re (David T Webb - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
Mr. Webb - I just read your Purple Heart Breakers Editorial and I applaud it! One day we will need people to enter our military and they will decline because of the shameless and shameful way we have treated "soldiers" in the field and at home. I am a "Vietnam era" citizen. Our Vietnam and Gulf War vets were abandoned by the government that sent them to war. We can't continue to ask people to spill their brains, blood and guts only to be disgraced and abandoned at home. I never saw combat and I can't imagine it. Our Vets need the very BEST treatment in all respects. I think the Iraq war is a big blunder BUT I have nothing but respect and even love for the men and women who are facing danger and devastation there. I don't know your political leanings BUT we need people who can see straight, talk straight and act straight if we are to preserve our democracy! Lincoln said that first we must disenthrall ourselves, then we can save our country. That is the truth! Thank you for some straight thoughts, words and deeds!


Generally, if an ind (Jenny - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
Generally, if an individual has to be cajoled, begged and persuaded for quite some time, and they can't make up their minds, I believe their candidacy for elected office is shaky at best. Same goes for Mr Webb in this case.

But I'd welcome Mr Webb or any other Democratic candidates with wide open arms this time around. We need every viable opportunity we can get to retake control of the senate or house.



I hope Webb decides (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
I hope Webb decides to run. I'd like to see a primary race with both him and Miller. It would really identify what the candidates stand for instead of the negative campaigning we'll have to endure once George Allen starts campaigning.


As a classmate of Mr (Bill Stevens - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
As a classmate of Mr. Webb, a retired Navy veteran and VA resident I find Jim's viewpoints intersting.  I do question his shift from Republican Ronald Reagan's philosophy to that of the liberal left. He'd be more my cup of tea as a moderate Republican than a moderate Democrat; I see no reason to provide the likes of John Kerry or Ted Kennedy (I was raised in MA) with any additional support in the senate. I voted for Governor Warner (moderate) but not for Governor Kaine (leftist).  I voted for Chuck Robb (moderate)in his race against another classmate, Ollie North (rightist).  I don't view George Allen as an extreme right wing candidate and I'm quite satisfied with his, and Senator John Warner's, representation.  I feel that both Senator Allen and Senator Warner are more moderate than this website would credit them and that they certainly represent the more conservative politics of most VA residents. Not all Virginians live inside the inner and outer loops. If Jim Webb is to the Democratic Party what John McCain is to the Republican Party, I welcome his particiaption, but I don't see any reason to give up Senator Allen's "seniority" and Republican support within the senate.


Ellen: I shudder as (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:05 PM)
Ellen:  I shudder as well. The thing is, Sharon was a hard, tough, ruthless man.  But sometimes it takes those type of men to make peace.  "Only Nixon can go to China."  Now, who has the political legitimacy - in Israel or Palestine - to persuade their people to make the hard choices and sacrifices necessary for peace?  I fear the answer is "nobody." 

Corey: Robertson is certifiable.  What else is new?



Whether or not the h (K - 4/4/2006 11:31:06 PM)
Whether or not the hatemongers succeed in the General Assembly has little to do with Mark Warner or Tim Kaine, and everything to do with the heterosexual men and women of Virginia.

Either Virginia, the very home of America's freedoms, is a welcoming home to all its residents, or it is a land of bigotry and intolerance. Already, Virginia has some of the most-hateful-to-gays-and-lesbians laws in the country, and we will see more of the same (including a constitutional amendment seeking to perpetuate hardships for same-sex couples) UNLESS and UNTIL decent streight people stand up and say no to Bob Marshall and the other hatemongers.

The Republican Party of Virginia and throughout the country is using homophobia to win extremist voters. And they're getting away with it because most heterosexuals -- Democrats and well as Republicans -- tolerate this intolerance.

Virginia has a chance to say no to hatred this year. Will you straight readers of Raising Kaine and other blogs help? Or will you, too, be silent?



The gay marriage que (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:06 PM)
The gay marriage question has been crafted into a proposed onstitutional amendment that actually goes way beyond gay marriage and into banning any contractual relationships between same sex partners. It is a moral and legal morass which is actually designed to be on the ballot in the next national election--- the intent obviously is to draw out the right winguts to vote and tip the election again while normal voters, bored by then with all the politics and convinced Democrats are just like Republicans don't bother to vote. Wake up, America!


These are themes tha (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
These are themes that will be repeated ad nauseum and expanded upon greatly by Hurst et al, I'm sure.


Certinlay rights nee (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
Certinlay rights need to be resotored, adn Warner is to be commended for working in that direction. In order to avoid crippling political backlash from doing the restoration in one fell swoop, Warner and Kaine need to get this issue out for discussion in the public square.  Some well-placed news articles could help build public understanding, which could lead to support for a less cumbersome process.  Kind of lilke what is happening with the move to curtail the check-advance/car-title-loan industry.


He needs to give the (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
He needs to give them their rights back and increase the size of the Democratic voter base in one fell swoop to increase his chances of winning Virginia by at least ten percentage points in 2008.  Their will be no "massive backlash" if a good PR campaign is put together right away.


(from the project on (Dara L. - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
(from the project on government oversight) 
Lobbyists Hold Holiday Party for House Govt Reform Committee

Deploying his deep pockets, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner (R-VA) throws the annual holiday party for his committee staff. Some committees in Congress have their staff members cover the costs of their holiday party.

But House Government “Reform” Committee Chairman Tom Davis (R-VA) has come up a more creative arrangement. Lobbyists and defense contractors threw the annual holiday party for the Committee which, coincidentally, oversees federal agency contracting. Here's the invite.

Who needs Santa Claus when contractors have Chairman Tom Davis to thank for opening up the government’s coffers! By our calculation following the House gift rules, each of the nine sponsors could spend up to $450 per staff or member of Congress. That’s quite a party!!!

The December 15, 2005 bash was held in 2154 Rayburn House Office Building and was sponsored by:

-- McGuire Woods Consulting which employs former Tom Davis staffer Barnaby Harkins. Harkins worked for Davis for four years, “specifically focused on education, federal procurement and appropriations.” Harkins lobbies for one of the largest foreign-owned defense contractors, shipping giant Maersk. In addition, one of the firm's clients is defense contractor Northrup Grumman Mission Systems.

-- Patton Boggs, which, in 2005, retained Peter Sirh, the former Staff Director for Davis’ House Government Reform Committee and former Chief of Staff to Davis. Sirh helped Patton Boggs rake in a hefty $260,000 lobbying fee from MCI in the first six months of 2005, in part to “Assist MCI with contract issues relating to specific government contracts…” MCI is competing for a $20 billion telecommunications contract which has been a pet project of Tom Davis. Committee staff members strenuously deny that Davis has a hand in choosing who gets the contract but a recent article suggested that contractors think otherwise.

Sirh’s access to Tom Davis was a hot commodity for Patton Boggs. While there, Sirh also lobbied for:

the DC government ($140,000 in fees in Jan-June, 2005)
Defense contractor ADS ($20,000 in fees from Jan-June, 2005)
Defense contractor DDL Omni Engineering ($20,000 in fees from Jan-June 2005)
PriceWaterhouseCoopers ($100,000 in fees from Jan-June 2005)
-- Innovative Defense Strategies, where Peter Sirh also worked in 2005, also sponsored the party. It’s an awfully strange coincidence that the firm gave a $5,000 political contribution to Tom Davis’ wife in 2003, although Jeanmarie Devolites and Tom weren’t married at that point.

--PodestaMatton which lobbied on behalf of the government’s #1 defense contractor, behemoth Lockheed Martin ($140,000 in fees from Jan-June 2005) as well as the Native American Contractors Association ($100,000 in fees from Jan-June, 2005). Hey, whatever happened to the Committee’s investigation into abuses in Native American contracting?

--Defense contractor BearingPoint which reported a whopping $500,000 in lobbying expenses in 2005 (that’s a lot of Christmas parties!) including on “Govt. Contracting issues.” BearingPoint (previously KPMG) has supported Tom Davis’ annual legislative goody bag of contractor favors (known in shorthand as SARA and ASIA), some provisions of which he has succeeded in attaching to Defense Authorization bills.

--Holland and Knight which openly brags about joining in a “drafting summit… with members of industry” held by Davis’ staff to draft that contractor legislation.

--Defense contractor General Dynamics, which opened a production facility in Tom Davis’ district a few years back. At the time, Davis bragged of playing “a pivotal role in bringing the project to Northern Virginia.”



Ahhhh..."little wolf (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
Ahhhh..."little wolf," huh?  That's one possible meaning of "Lowell," although I haven't heard that one in a looooong time!! :)

PS  Another possible meaning of "Lowell" is "little beloved one."  Now, what does "Timothy" mean?  Aren't names fun?  Ha ha.



Meaning of your name (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
Meaning of your name....


You go, wolf cub, st (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
You go, wolf cub, start revealing the facts now so you can build up an indictment over time dealing with all of these various Republican congressman and their misdeeds in excruciating detail. 


don't play all of yo (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
don't play all of your cards at once :) The race doesn't even start for most people until labor day.


Wolf cub? Well, tha (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:08 PM)
Wolf cub?  Well, that's certainly a new one...can't tell if it's good or bad, but it's pretty funny I've gotta say!! :)


I just reaad that Ha (Ken C. - 4/4/2006 11:31:09 PM)
I just reaad that Harris has announced for the Senate race, I'm sure he is a fine man and he has the bucks, but he lacks the gravitas necessary to compete with the good ole boy Allen.  I will vote for him only if James Webb does not step forward.

James Webb, may lack the money of Harris, but he brings to bear something few can, Naval Academy grad, Secretary of the Navy, the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts in Vietnam; has a JD from Georgetown University; has written six best-selling novels; has even won an Emmy Award as a journalist. 

Moreover, he strongly denounced Ollie North in the 1994 campaign won by Chuck Robb.  Also, he denounced the "swift boaters", if only Kerry had done the same!

We are in Virginia and ties to the military, genuine war hero, and the ability to "really handle a shotgun" are strengths that no NOVA businessman can hope to match.

Finally, his oratory skills are matched by few (certainly not Allen) and he will take no crap from Allen or any of the “Bush-Rove Hate Machine” operatives.  This is a man of substance, integrity and guts, and he is the man best positioned to take out Allen.  Webb can go into rural areas and “talk the talk, and walk the walk” Can Harris hope to do that!?
http://www.draftjameswebb.com/
KC 



This is good news. (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:09 PM)
This is good news.  As a big Webb fan, I hope Kerrey can convince Webb to run.  Also, I admire Mark Warner, but if he tries to convince Webb not to run so Miller can have a shot...let's just say I'll be quite disappointed.


Draft James Webb! I (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:11 PM)
Draft James Webb!  If Warner convinces him not to run just so Miller can, I'm going to be extremely pissed off.


Darn I thought I had (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:11 PM)
Darn I thought I had mentioned Birch Bayh when I voted other.


If Mark Warner press (LifetimeDem - 4/4/2006 11:31:12 PM)
If Mark Warner pressures Webb not to run, he will kill any chance he might have had at the 2008 Democratic nomination.


If you know anything (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:12 PM)
If you know anything about James Webb, it's that he'll keep his own counsel, he'll make up his own mind.

If he's in, it'll be because he knows it's right.  If he's out, it'll be because he knows it's not right for him to run at this time.

Webb's decision will be made as all of his decisions are, through wise deliberation and courage.

expediency be damned!



Not a very good webs (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:12 PM)
Not a very good website.  Completely ineffective.  Not one of his positions on any major topic.  Where the hell is James Webb?  Even if he decides not to run, I think he'll announce it.


Maybe it is just a m (J. Sarge - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Maybe it is just a matter of taste, but I believe that Appropriations is more important than Finance.


David Toscano got Co (Dan Kachur - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
David Toscano got Courts and Science and Technology.

Given his law and sociology background, fairly obvious assignments.



Every committee does (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Every committee does important work, even the now defunct mining and mineral resource committee did important work.  What Lowell is saying is that some committees do more important work, more often then others.  I agree, and I think your list is fairly accurate.

I'm glad Delegate Englin got the committees he wanted, and great job trying to block this silly constitutional amendment.



Lowell, Who says (David Englin - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Lowell,

Who says HWI and P&E are unimportant?  HWI was my top choice, and I asked for P&E assuming it was a long shot for a minority freshman, so I'm very happy with my assignments.  HWI will give me a great opportunity to fight to improve our health care system and make sure children, the poor, and the elderly get the services they need.  P&E deals with, among other things, constitutional amendments and redistricting.  I led the charge in P&E today against the constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, civil unions, and private contracts approximating marriage.  We lost, but I'll keep fighting.

David



Health, Welfare, and (Brave Hart - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Health, Welfare, and Institutions, unimportant!

Is that why they are in such disgrace in our state?



David: All I'm sayi (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
David:  All I'm saying is that, in every legislative body, some committees are more powerful than others.  In the US House, for instance, the Appropriations Committee is considered by many people to be the most powerful.  The Rules Committee is also a critical committee.  Obviously, Senate Judiciary is extremely important, as are Appropriations, Budget and Armed Services.  Others, like Senate Environment and Public Works or Veterans Affairs, are far less powerful although still important, of course.  And, obviously, the most powerful committees are the most coveted. 

In Virginia, my understanding is that Rules, Finance and Appropriations are extremely powerful, with Education, Transportation, and Courts of Justice being "biggies" as well.  Again, that doesn't mean the other committees don't do important work, just that they generally have less clout than the top ones mentioned above. 

Anyway, congratulations on being sworn in as Delegate, and for your Committee assignments.  I am sure you will do great work and will make us all proud that we campaigned for you!



Bowling got Transpor (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Bowling got Transportation (good) and Militia, Police and Public Safety.  Not bad overall.


Also, I find it funn (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Also, I find it funny that on Anne B Crockett-Stark's profile page on the general assembly website, her preferred nickname is "Benny" (as in Benny Keister, who she defeated.)


I'm curious as to wh (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
I'm curious as to what Dan Bowling got?


About your second se (Melanie N. Lee - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
About your second set of lyrics:

You say:
"Or, here’s another version for those who feel more positively about Iran’s President Ahmedinejad and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamanei, and LESS positively about 'Emperor Dubya.'"

I say:
Believe me, you don't have to love Iran's current leadership to loathe America's current leadership!



of course should be (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
of course should be "yeah that N and Q are so close together"


yeah that N and are (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
yeah that N and are Q so close together


Oh, and Shannon Vale (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
Oh, and Shannon Valentine got Transportation plus Science and Technology.


David: By the way, (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:14 PM)
David:  By the way, I look forward to the day when I can refer to you as "Chairman of the powerful xxx Committee."  I will do all I can to make that happen.  Why?  Because you are EXACTLY the type of Progressive who should be running this state, alongside people like Greg Werkheiser and Bruce Roemmelt and Creigh Deeds and Tim Kaine and...  :)

So best of luck, David, and kick some butt in Richmond!

Lowell

PS  Say "hi" to my good friend "Sideshow Bob" Marshall for me. 



I agree that numbers (K - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
I agree that numbers are encouraging, and I also agree that it's far from time to start celebrating.

Given that redistricting in recent years has made so many, many districts so very, very safely Republican, it may be hard to upseat any but the most unsavory corrupt Republicans. So greater "D" votes may mean only that some/many Democratic incumbents get reelected by wider margins, and that few seats actually change sides.

All the more reason why we all need to work our butts off these next 10 months!



James: And it's nic (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
James:  And it's nice to see you continuing YOUR strategy of defending the indefensible (e.g., anti-gay bigotry, misogyny).  Please keep doing it, and watch your party suffer the consquences.  Thanks! :)


And, given the comme (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
And, given the comment about the race for Mims' seat, send money and give time to Mark Herring, Democratic candidate for Mims seat.


One thing that needs (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
One thing that needs to be done is all the different cannidate in all of the various states have to chop their overhead costs by for example sharing the same headquarters with say their state's Senate campaign's regional headquarters cutting down on rent,have donations of computers to turn into Linux virtual servers, see to it that compact floresent bulbs are installed in the ceilings above and everything else they can think up to cut costs so that everything goes into voter outreach and more importantly education.  Their are a large amount of uneducated people out there however they can be slowly educated and we will see their votes change over a long period of time.  The Great Wall wasn't built in a day.....


Election tidal waves (JC - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
Election tidal waves don't just happen.

Right now we still have four congressional candidates missing in action.  The dedline to announce is April 14th.

Tick, tick, tick . . .



Mike: I'm not quest (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
Mike:  I'm not questioning that Health, Welfare and Institutions is a fine committee, just that it's not one of the most powerful in the House of Delegates.  I'm sure David Englin will do great there, or anywhere else he serves in coming years.  David is a great guy, a principled Progressive, and a leader with tremendous promise.


Health, Welfare and (Mike Smaha - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
Health, Welfare and Inst. is a great committee!  I staffed a then freshman Dem on HWI and as a progressive, just like Del. Englin, he was excited at the opportunity to serve on the committee.  It's a good committee for those members who really care about the well being and care of Virginians who need it the most.


Although creative (a (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:15 PM)
Although creative (and even illegal) redistricting has occurred, it's still possible to chip away.  Tidal wave?  Maybe.  But to get there, we need to nip thefts of governorships, as in LA.  It woudln't hurt to route Arnold from his theft of the governorshiip of California either.  Far be it from me to say all that much about the guv in LA.  But if she should be recalled, Bush should be impeached (yesterday).  The recall is fast becoming just one more way to steal a government.  And it must be resisted, except in cases of corruption.  It's interesting to note that Jeb Bush's brand of do-nothing (except show up for cameras like his brother)on-your-ownership storm management is OK by Repugs, but Blanco, who at least tried to break through federal lethargy and ineptness,  is subject to an impending recall effort.  OF course (sarcasm detector) Blanko is different,  She's a Democrat.


NoVADem: Try lowellr (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
NoVADem: Try lowellrk@yahoo.com.  Apparently, we're having problems with the raisingkaine mail accounts as we attempt to transition to a different hosting service, etc.  More fun with technology! :)


Very well said. C (JAG - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Very well said.

Companies also use GLBT benefits and protections as a means of competition for employees. When one company in an industry adds things like domestic partner benefits, other companies in the industry add them just to keep up and attract more (and better) employees.

It just makes good business sense. It opens up your potential hiring pool to a larger group and helps you find better talent.



Interesting Cornell (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Interesting Cornell study that men who feel their masculinity is threatened will become, among other things, homophobic:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Aug05/soc.gender.dea.html

This is consistent with my real life experience.  People who are happy and secure don't go after people who happen to be different in some way.



It's greast to be ho (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
It's greast to be hopeful that, under Kaine, VA will continue to move forward.  I wonder if Kaine and Warner would be willing to install Warner as a Secretary of Commerce or something.  Warner clearly loved working with state policy and economic development.  If he were in some sort of position, he could continue--perhaps dealing with energy and medicaid issues as well.  It seems that his family REALLY doesn't want him to jump right back into the electoral scene--which may have been part of the problem with his (IMO) poor interview on This Week yesterday.  I think he would be awesome at the national level, but this might be a way for him to use his talents and energy meanwhile.  (I wonder why he didn't want to run for Lt. Gov?) 


Summercat: Yeah, I (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Summercat:  Yeah, I agree that Mark warner wasn't at the top of his game for that George Stephanopolous interview.  His answers were vague and not specific, possibly evidence of Warner's lack of experience with national and international issues.  He'll need to do a lot of work in those areas to be a serious contender in 2008, IMHO.  Highlight of the interview?  Warner saying that his favorite President was Teddy Roosevelt, one of my all-time Progressive heroes... :)


If anybody can find (Craig - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
If anybody can find a copy of the V.O. Key book mentioned by Dr. Fickett, it's definitely worth a read.  Southern politics then and now are so different, and it's easy to forget how recently the South (Virginia included) was a political museum piece.

I read large portions of that book for a paper I wrote on Southern politics.  Great for some political perspective.



A little more about (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
A little more about Lowell Feld (unelected blogger & D-Arlington).  Something big I'm hoping.  For now, I just want to say that sometimes (your case) I love bloggers and sometimes they drive me crazy.  That includes our side.


Lee: Ha, can you ple (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Lee: Ha, can you please tell me what I'm on the verge of, exactly?  :)

Torridjoe:  As far as I know, Tim Kaine has always been very favorable to equal protection under the law for ALL Virginians.  Anyway, my understanding is that this amendment isn't veto-able.  I could be wrong on that, though...does anyone know for sure?



Um, isn't Kaine plan (torridjoe - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Um, isn't Kaine planning on signing this?
So why give Waddell crap for it and not him?


We're lucky to have (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
We're lucky to have Lowell Feld (unelected blogger & D-Arlington) in the political process.  Raising Kaine has been a valuable source of news and information.  Lowell could be on the verge of something.


Equality for all Ame (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Equality for all Americans under the law is not a "far left opinion," as much as the extreme right wing (and their Democratic ennablers) would like you to believe.


David: Very interes (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
David:  Very interesting, thanks for clearing that up.  I agree with you on this 100%.


Well, Virginia alway (K - 4/4/2006 11:31:18 PM)
Well, Virginia always works hard to be at the end of the line when it comes to civil rights, so can we expect otherwise when it comes to any discimination protection for gays and lesbians?



CR UVa: I'm sure th (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:19 PM)
CR UVa:  I'm sure the tears were real, but the attention paid to the whole incident was completely ridiculous.  I mean, seriously, we're talking about a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.  This ain't tiddlywinks!  If Mrs. Alito didn't want to see her husband get asked tough questions, she should have stayed home.


Interesting, can you (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:19 PM)
Interesting, can you give some examples?  How about "Green Roofs?"  I see no reason why every new commerical building in Arlington shouldn't have Green Roofs and other energy efficient features.  Buildings last a long time, and account for a large chunk or our greenhouse gas emissions, so we need to start right away in upgrading them!


Well, of course she (CR UVa - 4/4/2006 11:31:19 PM)
Well, of course she has no emotions and just staged an act.  She's an unfeeling Republican.

Or it could just be that she felt that her husband was being bullied and she broke down in tears. 

Either way, I think people will be more feeling towards Mrs. Alito, and it would be prudent for the Democrats in the Senate to be reasonable in finalizing the confirmation.  They do not need to vote for him, but they are the ones that will face the most scutiny following the Alito hearings.



The whole Alito's wi (dsquared - 4/4/2006 11:31:19 PM)
The whole Alito's wife crying thing was nothing more than a fabrication and contrivance designed to distract from the fact that Alito rules in favor of established authority and particularly executive authority to the detriment of those individuals who have been victims of discrimination on the basis of race, gender, disability and other factors or those who've had their civil liberties encroached upon by a covetous and demanding executive branch. Shame on the mass media for being snookered by a well-orchestrated publicity stunt and shame on WaPo for suspending its judgment on the basis of fear rather than reason.


Maybe the Washington (CR UVa - 4/4/2006 11:31:19 PM)
Maybe the Washington Post is concerned with how the liberal senators will appear if Alito is not confirmed.  Remember, with the strongest images from the hearings being those of Mrs. Alito crying, the Democrats have appeared to be nothing more than bullies towards Alito.  The only way this will be forgotten is if he is confirmed and gets votes from many of those Democrats questioning him.  The Post may just have enough sense to realize that denying Alito a spot on the high court may actually hurt the Democrats in the long run.


Hi, Lowell: Thank (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:20 PM)
Hi, Lowell:

Thanks for blogging the event.  Those of us four-plus hours away appreciate you're doing this for us.  I'd have loved to be able to go, though.



Kathy: I'm still no (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:20 PM)
Kathy:  I'm still not 100% sure I'll be blogging it.  I'm trying to get a press pass, but as of now I don't have one yet.  I'll keep trying...


The energy conservat (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:20 PM)
The energy conservation movement definitely, at least in the present administration, has to grow from the ground up.  Sen. Whipple is to be commended.  Hopefully, she will start a trend.


James, James, James. (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:21 PM)
James, James, James....what are we going to do with you?  Al Gore precipated a constitutional crisis because he wanted every vote counted, and because he really won the state of Florida and the 2000 election?  Yeah. What. Ever.


James: You're great (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:21 PM)
James: You're great too!!  In a bizarr-o sort of way, of course.  What's all this about "nihilism" exactly?  Seems to me that you're the one who keeps ranting about Evil Homosexuals and all.  Ha.

As far as the 2000 election is concerned, this has been looked at in great depth and two things are obvious:  1) Gore won the popular vote; 2) Gore almost certainly would have won Florida if every vote had been counted properly.  But keep trying to change the subject, it's what Republicans do best (since there's so much they need to change the subject FROM).



James: I disagree t (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:21 PM)
James:  I disagree that Bush legitimately won the Electoral Vote in 2000, but obviously we're not going to agree on this - or much of anything, really.

As far as the "Big Lie" is concerned, Republicans are the masters at this since they have no positive achievements to talk about.  And, by the way, mentioning Nazi leader Goebbels means you just lost this argument per Godwin's Law ("once such a comparison [to Nazis] is made, the thread is over and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.").



John: I like that " (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
John:  I like that "Gore/Warner/Clark" idea.  Not sure about the Roman Triumvirate (we know how THAT worked out) but how about Gore for President, Warner for VP, and Clark for Secretary of State?  Sounds like a plan to me!! :)


Adam: What else do (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
Adam:  What else do right-wing pinheads do?  Attack attack attack.  Tora tora tora!!! :)


Regarding my comment (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
Regarding my comment above, a correction is in order.  I wrote of Gore's courageous speeches in Agust through Fall fo 2004.  I should have said 2003.  gore has given speeches since then, but the ones I was referring to were in 2003.  Sorry for the error.


Adam: No, Gore didn (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
Adam:  No, Gore didn't use the "I" word himself, although a guy sitting near me yelled out "impeach the cocksucker" at one point.  I think that might have been James Young.  Ha ha.


James: Thanks, that (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
James:  Thanks, that's defiinitely one of my worst typos ever.  God, I hate errors!


Lowell, we agree. (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
Lowell, we agree.

In August through Dec. 2004, Al Gore made several very courageous speeches, which (unfortunately) many in our party ignored. It was another illustration that when the going gets tough, we can count on Gore to lead.  While our current elected party leaders seem to be spinningtheir wheels, here Gore is now saying what needed to be said.  Besides the fact that he showed he can win (by actually winning in 2000), he has the leadership we need both now and in 2008.  I don't know that he's interesting in running. But, I think he should run.



James: Do you agree (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:24 PM)
James:  Do you agree wtih Barr and Gore that this Administration is a menace, at least as great as those "radical homosexuals" who worry you so?  Heh.


John and Kathy: Yes (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:25 PM)
John and Kathy:  Yes, Gore is courageous, no doubt.  I just wish he would come over here and take down our resident troll, James Young.  According to James, everyone who disagrees with him is either telling the "Big Lie," a "shallow idiot," a "nihilist," or pushing a "radical homosexual agenda."  How tiresome.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....


Hey, if anybody can (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:27 PM)
Hey, if anybody can find or has that picture of Thelma Drake falling asleep at the BRAC meeting, can you post a link?  Or, send it to me by e-mail at dandalf_the_blue@hotmail.com.  Make sure you tell me where you got it.  Thanks!


I think the parents (April - 4/4/2006 11:31:27 PM)
I think the parents of 4 yr olds should be able to decide themselves if their child is ready to start school. I have 2 children and it is my choice!  If you refer to education experts and psychologist a child needs to have to develop from hands on experiences first and not all the books.  Kids in Finland do not start reading and math until second grade but are at the top the of the world academically by the time they finish elementary school!  KIDS NEED TIME TO BE KIDS!!  LEARN FROM WATCHING THEIR ELDERS AND LEARN THROUGH IMAGINARY PLAY AND HANDS ON!  DO NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR US TO SEND BABIES OFF TO SCHOOL TO BE PUNISHED IF THEY ACCIDENTALLY CANT MAKE IT TO THE BATHROOM IN TIME..  HALF OF THE EDUCATION BE TAUGHT IN OUR CLASSROOMS IN INAPPROPRIATE EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!


The fundimental issu (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:28 PM)
The fundimental issue with the birth tax lobby is that the super rich believe that they deserve everything they have and don't believe that anyone else deserves a cent.

Government costs a hell of a lot and it's the super rich who benefit the most.  A huge military defends the interests of the super rich, most.  The legal system is overwhelmingly used to promote the economic interests of the super rich.  Roads, schools, infrastructure, all most benefit the super rich.

But they want a free ride on the backs of the proud working poor and the middle class.

The rich didn't make themselves rich.  American infrastructure made it possible for you to benefit the most, and you owe the most to America.

Enough is enough.  Greed, ignorance, and hate are not American values, they are only the values of what Pew calls "Enterprisers" and what I call ingrates.



The purpose of Arist (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:28 PM)
The purpose of Aristocrats it to be Aristocrats.

Remember that and you finally understand today's republican party.



David: Uh, try agai (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:28 PM)
David:  Uh, try again!! Ha ha.

Josh:  You got it - the "birth tax lobby" believes in the super rich and screw everyone else. A friend of mine once called the Republican Party the "I've got mine so f*** you" Party.  How true.



REPUBLICANS!!! Is th (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:28 PM)
REPUBLICANS!!! Is that the right answer?


1% of 7 million is 7 (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:28 PM)
1% of 7 million is 70,000. If it's only 1000 families, that's a lot less than 1%. no?


Will: I think what (Tony Mastalski - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Will:  I think what is on everybody's mind these days is the deplorable conditions / situation brought on the American people by the likes of George Bush & George Allen (protege') and the current Republican methods of forcing their agenda.

Let see .... they've strengthen institutional careerism across the state & federal bureaucracy, elevated cronyism to a high art, hardwired lobbyist into the government decision making process (the new 4th branch of Government) and delivered Big Government and Super sized Deficeits ..... Now come on man .... what's wrong with that??

I suspect Mr. Webb ....and anybody else who cares (Harris Miller) sees  this and has to gauge how do you go about defeating the incumbant ... NO SMALL TASK.  The odds are against you.

So I complement Mr. Miller for being Brave ..... and I look forward to Mr. Webb's formal announcement. The head wound (games) is self inflicted..... because with Mr. Miller we see a valient but losing struggle .... with undeclared Webb we instinctively see a KNOCK OUT BLOW.

Don't lose faith .... remain positive .... the trend (survey) is very positive !!!



What's wrong with sp (blackbegone - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
What's wrong with sprawl - Mick says he "likes living in the suburbs" therefore, obviously everyone else will, too.

Dontcha know that rational, transit-oriented development isn't "family friendly?" It's so much better for the offspring to be trapped out in a cul-de-sac somewhere, totally dependent on the obligatory stay-at-home mom to drive them to pre-approved activities where their nascent, conservative little brains won't be challenged with too much contradictory information.

Speaking of which, we have a pretty chilling analysis of Mick's "support" for education here.



This is the work of (Not Mick Staton - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
This is the work of the out of control Loudoun Board of Supervisors.  Great reason to vote for Mark Herring.


Jim Webb has MADE at (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Jim Webb has MADE at least one public statement ( http://www.jameswebb.com )over the last three months about his interest in running for the Senate as a Democrat.  Everything we've done has been in response to his interest.  Also, it is a lot more than "blogrolling."  Several hundred people (most of them Virginians) have signed the petition at http://www.draftjameswebb.com .  Many pledged money and/or offered to volunteer.  There is a committed grassroots network waiting to be formed and get right behind his candidacy instantaneously.


Something's odd here (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Something's odd here.  Why would the WSJ commission a poll including Webb when there has been no evidence on the ground (as opposed to blog logrolling) of his interest in the race?

If Webb wants to run, he needs to get around the state and start lining up support ASAP, because very soon Miller and the DSCC will have sucked all the oxygen ($$=political oxygen) out of the room.



blackbegone: Exactl (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
blackbegone:  Exactly, sprawl is great!!! :)


Alec: A-MEN, brothe (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Alec:  A-MEN, brother!!!


Anonymous: I think (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Anonymous:  I think thse are fair points.  I'd love to get more "internals" and other details from Zogby and Rasmussen on these polls.


Allen has nothing to (AlecBGreen - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
Allen has nothing to fear from Miller. He has EVERYTHING to fear from a Webb candidacy.

RUN JAMES RUN!

-Alec



That's amazing. Web (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
That's amazing.  Webb could take out Allen '08 before it gets off the ground.


hey Valley Icon, (Tony Mastalski - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
hey Valley Icon,

My thought on the NYT piece is pretty simple. At the heart of the piece was a story about Sen. Bob Kerry & Vietnam. Kerry is retired from the Senate and holds a President's position at an old small college / university in New York City. Is somewhat newly married. Anyhow Webb's friend is there somewhat friendly turf. It's been carried by other websites pretty well.



My question is why p (valley iconoclast - 4/4/2006 11:31:29 PM)
My question is why publish the Op-ed piece now if you are not thinking about running.  Although, if he were serious, shouldn't the piece have been in the Post? 

Also, does anyone know about statements Allen has made regarding Murtha or other veterans critical of the war?  I would love to see them.



Aaron: Ha ha, that (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:30 PM)
Aaron:  Ha ha, that is hilarious! :)  Anyway, it's fixed now...thanks.


You know, Rothenberg (Mary - 4/4/2006 11:31:30 PM)
You know, Rothenberg is running his argument on a whole lot of presumption and little facts.  Tim Kaine didn't run against George W. Bush last fall, so there was little reason for addressing a non-relevant rival. Kaine may speak bipartisanly--or he may not. The fact is, this is a whole different context from any he has spoken to so far, so there really is no way to predict what he'll say.

In many ways, it's much like when Barak Obama spoke at the Democratic National Convention. Prior to the speech, there were a whole lot of  concerned assumptions over what the little known politician would say. Those assumptions were mostly wrong--and a star ascended.

Tim Kaine now has the chance to become the next star. To us here in Virginia--we know how he has unified our state over even the most problematic issues. It will be really exciting to see what he comes out with regarding national issues!



Yea, and Arianna and (Mimi Schaeffer - 4/4/2006 11:31:30 PM)
Yea, and Arianna and Hullaboo are also making catty remarks.

It's like besmirching the record executive who was stupid enough to sign the unknown Elvis!



Here's a book for al (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
Here's a book for all of the arch conservatives who thrilled to "March of the Penguins" as proof of God's hererosexual madate:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0689878451/002-8256616-6433647?v=glance&n=283155

And Tango Makes Three, the story of two male penguins who raise a penguin chick as a couple.  It's one of my favorite children's books.

;)

I loved "March of the Penguins", btw.



While we're debunkin (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
While we're debunking gay-bashers.  Anyone who is overly passionate about vilifying gays should consider looking in the mirror and taking a deep breath.

That would have helped virulent anti-gay pastor Lonnie Latham who was recently arrested in a gay sex sting in Tulsa.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb329600.htm

http://www.queerday.com/2006/jan/10/homophobic_pastor_lonnie_latham_arrested_in_gay_hotel_sting.html

http://bible.cc/luke/6-42.htm

A message to Virginia Lawmakers from...  guess who:

How will you say to your brother, Brother, let me take the grain of dust out of your eye, when you yourself do not see the bit of wood in your eye? O false one! first take the wood out of your eye and then you will see clearly to take the dust out of your brother's eye.  (BBE)


Well this is just hu (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
Well this is just hunkey dory, boys. Kaine is making a forward-thinking, honest attempt to tackle an incredibly messed up situation, just as he promised during the campaign. You have to start somewhere, not wait until EVERY little monkey in creation has dabbled in things and you've got the ab-so-lute-ly purrrfect plan which offends no one and costs nothing. Hail the millenium!

And, besides all that, Kaine's is looking at what is politically possible. One step at a time, folks. The longest journey begins with but a single step... forward.



Hmm bad Kaine.... go (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
Hmm bad Kaine.... going and setting up his plan without consulting the nations foremost independant expert in transportation when authorized by government Rodney Slater.  It's disgusting especially since Wesley Clark who stumped for Kaine is partners with Slater at James Lee Witt Associates in Washington DC right up the road from Richmond. 


I know this might so (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
I know this might sound like kind of republianisn. But, Kaine said he wasn't interested in raising tax, but he is doing that now. And isn't that one of the reason Kaine won?
I know this sound like a republican answer, but i'm starting to understand the republians veiw as well as the democrats.


But, I think that th (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
But, I think that the washington post has a good point in how the money is being made. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/20/AR2006012000884.html


I didn't see anythin (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
I didn't see anything on I-66, but let me know if you do.  For the record, I strongly oppose widening I-66 through Arlington, as does the entire Arlington County Board.


Does Gov. Kaine's tr (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
Does Gov. Kaine's transportation plan mention I-66 widening in Arlington?


Follow up to the ear (Mimi Schaeffer - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
Follow up to the earlier post.

At first, all the comments in a Hullabaloo were anti-Kaine until...the Virginia cavalry arrived.

Ain't no way we're gonna let people besmirch our governor.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/digby/113776823943285762/



David: I'm a bit co (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:31 PM)
David:  I'm a bit confused...what's the point your trying to make?  Thanks. - Lowell


The world won't over (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
The world won't over populate even though it is already begun. I think it was like 3% of all americans are gay. Any ways, that is why man-kind has created war. Lol


Well this sound like (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Well this sound like a better idea, but the only reason I didn't like the plan was because transportion doesn't applie to me yet. In other words, I can't drive yet. But like the starting stong program I would like to see how it goes.


summercat: I complet (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
summercat: I completely agree with you on everything you say here, except for the lottery idea. I dislike lotteries because they are wildly regressive.  Yeah, and what IS the deal with these supposed fiscal "conservatives" - Reagan, Gilmore, Bush - who don't mind piling up huge debts?  Bunch of hypocrites.


I agree with the lis (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
I agree with the list here, but would like to see a strong emphasis on public transportation--starting with busses, progressing to rail--as well.  And yes, it will cost--the no-tax people need to start thinking of taxes for this as investments--and building on the public-private connection as well.  (How about a special lottery for transportation needs--or a foundation, as is wiseky being done for the preschool program?) What VA does NOT need to do is take on more debt (for some reason, Norquist and his clones in the legislature hate taxes, but see not problem with crippling deficits and the interest payments attached to them.  Well, they are very wrong, IMO.)


Agreed. A related p (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Agreed.  A related point.  When I used to go to church, a great minister pointed out in a sermon that sometimes we overcomplicate our analysis of moral issues, leading to decisional paralysis.  But he didn't mean we shouldn't perform the analysis.  Just that at a certain point you have to make the decision that, e.g., "This war is immoral and I should try to do what I can to stop it or change public opinion."  Otherwise one can justify inaction a thousand different ways.

Also, this is a bit off topic, but I guess my connection is the justification for inaction thought --  some interesting points from a recent Molly Ivins piece -- I don't agree with them all but in general I think she's right on this one:

MOLLY IVINS RELEASE: FRIDAY, JANUARY 20, 2006, AND THEREAFTER AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president. Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges. The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief. If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines who liked to quote poetry. What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes. The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF? I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First, you have to win elections"). Can't you even read the damn polls? Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes, "There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008." This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman. Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they continue to dump on us daily. You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely. Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town. Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That, or you could just piss on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad news." Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can. To find out more about Molly Ivins and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2006 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.

Originally Published on Friday January 20, 2006



Willis and Lowell: (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Willis and Lowell:

The religious right doesn't seem to understand the mutual consent issue.  In fact they would see our attitudes as moral relativism.  In other words, they only seem to understand rigid rules from which no deviation is permitted -- no thinking -- no situational ethics.  If you read someone like Chuck Colson and other religious right opinion leaders you'll see them villifying those concepts.

I don't understand brains that work that way.  I do know that such rigid thinking denies freedom of choice to others -and I see that as a great moral crime --- but apparently they think that lack of human freedom is a virtue.  (The fact that they pick and choose which Old Testament and New Testament precepts to follow is a whole other topic.  Oh yes, the New Testamant too -- like the easygoing attitude so many of them over unjust wars.)  A

Any idea  why some brains work that way, i.e., brains unable to distinguish shades of gray?  Brains unable to accept that different viewpoints may be valid?  It may be that one generation after another hard wires their kids to think that way and they really don't know any better.  I do think one reason so many send their kids to private school or homeschool them is to keep them from growing into thinking, discerning adults.  Maybe it's all just based on fear -- fear of change, fear of difficult thinking, fear that their whole system of religious belief is a house of cards.  I don't know. 



Pete: I'd argue tha (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Pete:  I'd argue that the ability to simplify complex reality is a good thing, in moderation. Also, the primitive "reptilian" brain which deals with survival, fear, hunger, and sex drive is critically important, but you need a cerebrum too or you're not much of a human now, are you?  Unfortunately, it appears that religious zealots on the far right have an overwhelming need for certainty, and find shades of gray to be extremely disconcerting.  That leads to major errors of judgement, not to mention of compassion and humanity.


James "fudgepack mou (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
James "fudgepack mountain" Young, pedophilia and necrophilia involve taking advantage of non-consenting children and corpses, respectively.  I've explained this to you before, but you can't seem to get it.


Thanks for this grea (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Thanks for this great compilation.  Although I'm sure it won't do much for my friend James Young, it could help to enlighten others.

Won't it be interesting, whenever he calls anyone a "fudgepacker" (as Mr. Young is want to do) that I can say over 40% of heterosexuals are, in fact, "fudgepackers" as well??



Great post. I predi (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Great post.  I predict that in the very near future, the understanding that homosexuality is an orientation, not a choice, will sink in among the general populace.  Logically, that understanding would make all the anti-gay laws unconstitutional.  But, just as the winguts still think Saddam had something to do with 9/11, they will continue to fulminate against gays.  And as long as this continues to bring money into the RW coffers, it will be upheld by the Supremes and used as a political tool.
Jimmy Carter said it well when he wrote in Our Endangered Values that if the RW wanted to protect marriage, they should have an amendment against adulttery and divorce.

The only hope for conversion among the wingnuts is that they will get to know more homosexual people.  And that more of the sick and sad fear mongers who are gay themselves, but push anti-gay agendas, will be outed. 



And while we're on t (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
And while we're on the subject of parental guidance.  The "Homosexuality is a choice" lie was responsible for the murder of at least one 3-year old boy.

Read this and see if you still side with the Pat Robertson cabal:

- Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

More here.



Pete's explanation o (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Pete's explanation of the various methods of disposing of women in the ancient Middle East brings to mind the conditions there and then.In some ways forcing a widow to marry her brother-in-law, for example, had several purposes, not the least of which was to protect the woman who now had no male in her household.  Those were hostile times and unattached females were constantly in danger; they were also, shall we say, an attractive nuisance and probably could be a disruptive element in a social system that had no place for them. All around ugly. And I don't see the fundamentalists locking on all the rest of what Pete described (he left out all the other rules like dietary).  Rigid enforcement of endless rules, treating women as baby machines, etc. is a distinguishing characteristic of Islamic fundamentalists, too. 


One more point. Her (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
One more point.  Here's a nice summary of the many different types of "approved" male-female relationships in the Bible.  Much of what the Bible says is "okay" in male-female relationships is roundly condemned in the modern era.

  --

(from http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bibl.htm

The whole website is pretty good, laying out the contrasting positions on a number of current religious topics.

1.  The standard nuclear family: Genesis 2:24 describes how a man leaves his family of origin, joins with a woman, consummates the marriage and lives as a couple. There were quite a few differences between the customs and laws of contemporary North Americans and of ancient Israelites. In ancient Israel:  Inter-faith marriages were theoretically forbidden. However, they were sometimes formed.
  Children of inter-faith marriages were considered illegitimate.
  Marriages were generally arranged by family or friends; they did not result from a gradually evolving, loving relationship that developed during a period of courtship.
  A bride who had been presented as a virgin and who could not be proven to be one was stoned to death by the men of her village. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) There appears to have been no similar penalty for men who engaged in consensual pre-marital sexual activity. 

2. Polygyny marriage: A man would leave his family of origin and join with his first wife. Then, as finances allowed, he would marry as many additional women as he desired. The new wives would join the man and his other wives in an already established household. Polygyny was practiced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons, until the practice was suspended, a least temporarily, in the late 19th century. It is still practiced by separated fundamentalist Mormon groups which have been excommunicated from the main church.

There are many references to polygynous marriages in the Bible:  Lamech, in Genesis 4:19, became the first known polygynist. He had two wives. 
  Subsequent men in polygynous relationships included:  Esau with 3 wives; 
  Jacob: 2; 
  Ashur: 2; 
  Gideon: many; 
  Elkanah: 2; 
  David: many; 
  Solomon had 700 wives of royal birth; 
  Rehaboam: 3; 
  Abijah: 14. 
  Jehoram, Joash, Ahab, Jeholachin and Belshazzar also had multiple wives.

  From the historical record, it is known that Herod the Great (73 to 4 BCE) had nine wives.

We have been unable to find references to polyandrous marriages in the Bible -- unions involving one woman and more than one man. It is unlikely that many existed because of the distinctly inferior status given to women; they were often treated as property in the Hebrew Scriptures.

3.  Levirate Marriage: The name of this type of marriage is derived from the Latin word "levir," which means "brother-in-law." This involved a woman who was widowed without having borne a son. She would be required to leave her home, marry her brother-in-law, live with him, and engage in sexual relations. If there were feelings of attraction and love between the woman and her new husband, this arrangement could be quite agreeable to both. Otherwise, the woman would have to endure what was essentially serial rapes with her former brother-in-law as perpetrator. Their first-born son was considered to be sired by the deceased husband. In Genesis 38:6-10, Tamar's husband Er was killed by God for unspecified sinful behavior. Er's brother, Onan, was then required by custom to marry Tamar. Not wanting to have a child who would not be consider his, he engaged in an elementary (and quite unreliable) method of birth control: coitis interruptus. God appears to have given a very high priority to the levirate marriage obligation. Being very displeased with Onan's behavior, God killed him as well. Ruth 4 reveals that a man would be required to enter into a levirate marriage not only with his late brother's widow, but with a widow to whom he was the closest living relative.

4.  A man, a woman and her property -- a female slave: As described in Genesis 16, Sarah and Abram were infertile. Sarah owned Hagar, a female slave who apparently had been purchased earlier in Egypt. Because Hagar was Sarah's property, she could dispose of her as she wished. Sarah gave Hagar to Abram as a type of wife, so that Abram would have an heir.  Presumably, the arrangement to marry and engage in sexual activity was done without the consent of Hagar, who had such a low status in the society of the day that she was required to submit to what she probably felt were serial rapes by Abram. Hagar conceived and bore a son, Ishmael. This type of marriage had some points of similarity to polygamous marriage, as described above. However, Hagar's status as a human slave in a plural marriage with two free individuals makes it sufficiently different to warrant separate treatment here.

5.  A man, one or more wives, and some concubines: A man could keep numerous concubines, in addition to one or more wives. These women held an even lower status than a wife.  As implied in Genesis 21:10, a concubine could be dismissed when no longer wanted. According to Smith's Bible Dictionary, "A concubine would generally be either (1) a Hebrew girl bought...[from] her father; (2) a Gentile captive taken in war; (3) a foreign slave bought; or (4) a Canaanitish woman, bond or free." 1 They would probably be brought into an already-established household. Abraham had two concubines; Gideon: at least 1; Nahor: 1; Jacob: 1; Eliphaz: 1; Gideon: 1; Caleb: 2; Manassah: 1; Saul: 1; David: at least 10; Rehoboam: 60; Solomon: 300!; an unidentified Levite: 1; Belshazzar: more than 1.

6. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war: Numbers 31:1-18 describes how army of the ancient Israelites killed every adult Midianite male in battle. Moses then ordered the slaughter in cold blood of most of the captives, including all of the male children who numbered about 32,000. Only the lives of 32,000 women - all virgins -- were spared. Some of the latter were given to the priests as slaves. Most were taken by the Israeli soldiers as captives of war. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes how each captive woman would shave her head, pare her nails, be left alone to mourn the loss of her families, friends, and freedom. After a full month has passed, they would be required to submit to their owners sexually, as a wife. It is conceivable that in a few cases, a love bond might have formed between the soldier and his captive(s). However, in most cases we can assume that the woman had to submit sexually against her will; that is, she was raped.

7.  A male rapist and his victim: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 requires that a female virgin who is not engaged to be married and who has been raped must marry her attacker, no matter what her feelings were towards the rapist. A man could become married by simply sexually attacking a woman that appealed to him, and paying his father-in-law 50 shekels of silver. There is one disadvantage of this approach: he was not allowed to subsequently divorce her.

8.  A male and female slave: Exodus 21:4 indicates that a slave owner could assign one of his female slaves to one of his male slaves as a wife. There is no indication that women were consulted during this type of transaction. The arrangement would probably involve rape in most cases. In the times of the Hebrew Scriptures, Israelite women who were sold into slavery by their fathers were slaves forever. Men, and women who became slaves by another route, were limited to serving as slaves for seven years. When a male slave left his owner, the marriage would normally be terminated; his wife would stay behind, with any children that she had. He could elect to stay a slave if he wished.



Veyr nice compilatio (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Veyr nice compilation, Lowell.

I haven't read deeply into the work, but the late Yale historian John Boswell wrote a controversial book called "Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality : Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century" which argued that wholesale intolerance against homosexuality was not prevalent in early Christianity.  (People are still arguing about the book 25 years later, a sign that it must be pretty good.)  I started reading it a couple of years ago but it's really dry.  Nonetheless, I've just ordered a copy from Amazon.

You're right on target about the Old Testament making moral judgments that are unacceptable in modern society.  Leviticus in particular is atrocious.  For example, women were considered property.  God allegedly told Moses that it was okay to kill your children if they cursed you. (At least the writers of Leviticus so claim.)  Moses personally ordered death by stoning to someone who "blasphemed God."  (So much for religious dissent.)  Some translations of the Old Testament say "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's slaves . . .".  The language has been prettied up for modern consumption as "property" and we honor the language by putting it on courthouse lawns.

One of my favorite OT stories is about "holy" Elisha, who replaced Elijah, and worked the miracle of parting the Jordan.  The following is in 2 Kings 2:23---

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking up the path, some small boys came out of the city and harassed him, chanting, "Go up, baldy! Go up, baldy!"

24 He turned around, looked at them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two female bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths.

25 From there Elisha went to Mount Carmel, and then he returned to Samaria."

This is the junk people think of as divinely inspired literature.  Sorry.  Try me again in another millenium.

In honor of all the Va. conservative blogs who are undoubtedly frothing about the Maryland court decision, I offer this original poem:

Friends say, dear sheep, our love is wrong
But that never gets me down
I’ll never stop from seeing you
On the bleatin’ side of town.

This is important work, Lowell.  Keep it up.  Expose the religious right for what it is.  And, I'm sorry to say (being an ex-Republican) that the bigots among the Southern Democrats all seem to have flown over to the GOP over the years. 



And what have you do (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
And what have you done with Lillith, Lowell? The emendated Bible so popular among fundamentalist Christian sects has been scrubbed clean of any mention of she who is reputed to have been Adam’s first wife. You know, the female human being God made separate and presumably co-equal— after Adam had surveyed the animals going by him two by two to be named, and tried to mate with various animals (according to some texts), he  requested that God give HIM a counterpart to keep him company.  But Lillith refused to assume the submissive missionary position, and informed Adam him she wanted to be treated with more dignity than that.  She said the ancient equivalent of “no way,” and left. Thereafter God tried to bring her back to, er, service Adam, but she refused and was ever after considered to be a demon by Adam’s descendants.  Thus we have two notable points: Adam tried a little bestiality; and the first woman was created equivalent to mighty man. No wonder the fundamentalists get their knickers in a swivet trying to find ways to justify their primitive philosophy..


Some information I d (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Some information I didn't need to learn yet. Lol

Don't for get all the problems homosexual already face. Like depession and discrimination. And I don't see why they should ban gay marriage, it's not like they choose to be that why.



One thing that bothe (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
One thing that bothers me -- why does Kaine's plan (and from what the Post has speculated, forthcoming GOP plans) raise taxes and fees that cannot be deducted from one's federal income tax?  Most of us are in a 30+% federal bracket.  So if my state income tax rate goes up $100 I'd get 30+ dollars back because it raises my deductions.  (Admittedly the alternative minimum tax kicks in and I wouldn't see all those savings.) 

This isn't chump change, especially when one adds up the savings state wide.  And what would I do with the mythical $30 return?  Probably spend it, largely in-state, which would generate added sales tax revenues.

The political folks will say raising the state income tax rate is a recipe for non-election, but has anyone considered explaining to the voters why it's better to raise deductible taxes?

The Va. marginal tax structure tops out at $17,000.  Why not just add a step at some higher increment and increase the rate from 5.75 to 6%? 

Next, what's wrong with raising the cigarette tax again?  It's still one of the lowest nationwide.  (Yes, I know the political arguments, but the current low rate is ridiculous.) 

I do support higher fines for chronically bad drivers.  DUI fines should be very high also.  How low are speeding fines?  Remember Chris Craddock and all his tickets, several of which were for speeding?  His last was for reckless driving, going 24 mph over the limit.  He paid a paltry fine of $95 (plus $57 in court costs.) 



Amen, brother. Th (blueinthecommonwealth_VA - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
Amen, brother.

Thats all I have to say.



James: Wow, unvarni (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:32 PM)
James:  Wow, unvarnished and unapologitic bigotry, hatred and ignorance in the year 2006. Amazing.

Oh, and I see you're an "intelligent design" man as well, since you don't "believe" that humans are animals.  Pick up any biology book and it will set you straight (no pun intended).



LOL! Step away fr (rightwingprof - 4/4/2006 11:31:33 PM)
LOL!

Step away from the grape kool-aid now.



Warner is a realist- (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:33 PM)
Warner is a realist--and a successful one--unlike the group in power.  If Warner chooses to run, and gets the prepping that goes with the nomination, he will clean Allen's clock.  The wingnuts are terrified of this.
I love the quip about G. Allen being gay because he hired gays!


The ironic thing, of (Maura in VA - 4/4/2006 11:31:33 PM)
The ironic thing, of course, is that Dean as Governor is arguably even more of a "centrist" than Warner.  But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of right-wing commentators labeling Dean as a far-left extremist because he opposed the war in Iraq.  Similarly, let's just label anyone a "liberal" who disagrees with Bush's foreign policy.  It's so ridiculously simplistic...and yet it's what passes for political analysis not only in right-wing political circles, but in the so-called liberal media.  Whatever.


It was a good race. (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
It was a good race.  We were trying to replace a Republican in a special election, not an easy thing to do.


"So someone who was (IR - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
"So someone who was born in Mexico and immigrated to this country when they were 2; and spent 16 years in Virginia doesn’t deserve the tuition break I get after living here for 1 year?"

Assuming that person was "immigrated" illegally, no. Can you figure out why? Can you figure out what fundamental American concept is discounted by what you support?



These aren't "immigr (IR - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
These aren't "immigrants", they're "illegal aliens".

If you have the childlike policy that anyone who comes here is entitled to all or nearly all the same rights as citizens, then you've just declared open borders. Millions more will come here.

Regarding discounted college educations for illegal aliens, put on your thinking caps. Think about it for a few minutes to a few hours and try to come up with one of that plan's enormous, anti-American downsides. I'll leave that as a test.



It is well known tha (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
It is well known that the Republicans are split on immigration issues. 

To me it boils down to this

Enforce the law or don't enforce the law.  None of this wishywashy halfway stuff.



Hypothetical -- what (PM - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
Hypothetical -- what if the immigrants tended to vote Republican once they attained citizenship (as in Miami)?  Do you think there's a chance, just a small chance, that the GOP would be embracing them?  With all sorts of patriotic reasoning used to justify inclusion? LOL 

BTW, many GOP businessmen support getting all the cheap labor (and additional consumers)they can into this country and oppose these anti-immigration efforts.  The national GOP is badly split on the issue.

I also think that skin color plays a part here.  The Va. GOP largely houses what's left of the old Southern bigotry groups.  If these were Englishmen or Scandinavians? 



FYI: How about this (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
FYI:  How about this bill?

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+sum+HB1460



Thanks, NoVA Dem. I (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
Thanks, NoVA Dem.  I completely agree.  And hell, there are a lot worse things than grammar redundancy...like immigrant bashing bills by Jeff Frederick and Dave Albo! :)


Kaine will do a grea (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
Kaine will do a great job--and maybe a few Republicans will even listen to him.  (Although I would have gone for "someone whose name is prefaced by "General", as well, lol!)


He lost because 1% o (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
He lost because 1% of 10,000 is 100. So... You get the point.


There is no "America (NoVA Democrat - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
There is no "American" race; being an American means you accept the ideas of freedom and equality for all regardless of someone's ethnicity, color, race, or creed. If someone has lived in this country for effectively their whole life and considers themselves to be an American (freedom and equality) it shouldn’t matter what their parents did 2 decades ago (as determined by Congress, many of the members included never knew what it meant to be an American in the first place).


Those opposed to Mr (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:34 PM)
Those opposed to Mr Kaine don't realize he can speak as a Mayor, Legislative chair and State Chief Executive all at the same time bringing a rather unique vision to bear on our current problems nationally.  He also has that really cool eyebrow thing that he can do to emphasize a point. 


I would say it's dia (JC - 4/4/2006 11:31:35 PM)
I would say it's diabolically brilliant.  Let's face it: Lefty Blogs is the liberal media in Virginia.

Viva Lefty Blogs!  Viva Raising Kaine!



Wait, so is Deeds fo (YMSP82 - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
Wait, so is Deeds for the amendment or not? His rhetoric in the article above in comments is inspiring -- then he voted for the bill??? WTF?


According to the Was (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
According to the Washington Post:

Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) does not have to sign the resolution for it to be placed on the ballot. While he could veto a separate bill that specifically calls for the referendum, his press secretary Delacey Skinner said he will not do so.

"The governor's position is that a marriage is between one man and one woman," Skinner said. She added that he does share concerns with proponents that the amendment as drafted is so broadly drawn that it could impair some contracts.



Kaine's position mak (J. Sarge - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
Kaine's position makes no difference from a practical standpoint.  Constitutional amendments don't go to the Governor, just straight to the ballot box.


Ahh from what I see (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
Ahh from what I see in washington post. I say yes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012501329.html



Truly, it is an offe (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
Truly, it is an offense to George Mason, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and to the Republic, to write something like this into the venerated and historic Bill of Rights---the very document intended to do EXACTLY the opposite of what this will attempt to do!

VIRGINIANS OF ALL STRIPES, it is time to fight this filth at the ballot box.  We're going to need money, and lots of it.



I will be dedicating (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:31:38 PM)
I will be dedicating a significant portion of my life to convincing Virginians to vote against this in November, and given the impact on the venerated Bill of Rights, and the less then genuine wording of the ballot question, there is ample opportunity to attack this amendment, and create enough attention to merit people really thinking it through.  This has got to be kept in the forefront of the minds of fair-minded Virginians.


Interesting...from < (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
Interesting...from an article in May 2004

Virginia General Assembly: Gay Marriage Bill Attacked by Creigh Deeds and Mitch Van Yahres

"State Sen. R. Creigh Deeds blasted Republican legislators Tuesday for a “mean-spirited and unnecessary” bill banning gay marriage and legal contracts between unmarried partners.

But illustrating the complexity of the controversial issue, Deeds acknowledged that he had voted for a modified version of the measure, which awaits the governor’s signature.

“I tried to look at the bill as a lawyer,” said Deeds, who opposes gay marriage. “I don’t think it changes anything in Virginia law.”

Deeds, D-Bath County, and Del. Mitchell Van Yahres, who voted against the House bill, drew cheers from a 100-strong crowd Tuesday night at Thomas Jefferson Memorial Church. Equality Virginia, a statewide lobbying group for gay rights, organized the reception.

“Rob Bell has to be confronted,” Charlottesville Democrat Van Yahres said of the Albemarle County GOP delegate, who voted for House Bill 751. “And not just once. You can’t let up.”

Dels. Steve Landes and Watkins M. Abbitt Jr., the former a Republican and the latter an independent, also voted for the House bill, Van Yahres said, and should be confronted along with Bell.

Deeds also decried the state Republicans’ social agenda: “[They] want to get into your bedroom and tell you what to do and what not to do. Gay rights becomes the whipping boy.”

The bill, which now awaits the governor’s signature, bars recognition of same-sex marriages, civil unions or legal contracts such as wills between non-married partners. It was passed with a veto-proof margin this session.

Deeds voted for a different version of the Senate bill, to which Warner added amendments limiting its impact on legal contracts. The amendments failed.

House of Representatives candidate Al Weed, the father of a lesbian daughter, told the crowd that he worries about the “breakdown” of the wall between church and state through the Bush administration’s efforts.

“Biblically informed bigotry is bigotry,” said Weed, the Democratic opponent of Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr., R-Rocky Mount.

Mark Usry, a local representative for Equality Virginia, previously known as Virginians for Justice, said the group will sponsor a lawsuit challenging the bill and asked attendees to donate money.

But Deeds and Van Yahres called on the crowd to go further, to make themselves heard.

“They’re going to keep on after you as long as they can,” Deeds said. “You need to be in people’s faces all over the place.”" (Kate Andrews, The Daily Progress, May 5, 2004)

Contact Kate Andrews at (434) 978-7261 or kandrews@dailyprogress.com.



He's gonna "cut and (Rob - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
He's gonna "cut and run" on Virginia.  I'm anxiously waiting Mark Warner's reply.


I was there on the 2 (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
I was there on the 25th when Equality VA gathered almost 500 people to lobby their respective delegates and state senators.  At the very end of a long day, those who voted our way gathered at the library and recieved a huge cheer for their efforts.  Standing on those stairs next to Del. Englin, Ebbin, Ward, Valentine and the rest was Creigh Deeds. 

I was in Paula Miller's office when we printed out the results of the vote that day.  I was surprised because Sen. Yvonne Miller (my senator) actually voted against it this year.  We were somewhat less surprised that Deeds didn't.

I knocked on doors for the coordinated campaign.  I was even a recount observer for Deeds.  I couldn't believe he had the gall to stand on those stairs with the rest of those who voted against the Affirmation of Marriage Act and wave. He was the only elected official whos hand I did not shake. 



I really like Deeds, (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
I really like Deeds, but don't quite follow where he stands on this issue.

  This referendum is nothing more than a tool to motivate ultra "religious" people to the polls for this (repressive) issue so that republican will get votes by default.

America- moving backwards to the future. 



I busted my ass for (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
I busted my ass for Deeds and practically wept when he lost the AG race.

Now...

Jefferson weeps.



Virginia sucks, just (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
Virginia sucks, just like the rest of America.  We're a backwards country.


OK, take a breath. Y (saywhat?? - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
OK, take a breath. Yes, this is sad. And I think the amendment will likely pass in November, but apparently Virginia needs to go through these steps on her way to doing what's right in the end. We are heading in the right direction, albeit too slowly, but still the right way. Waldo said it, Virginia Centrist said it and most everybody knows it.


Awesome. Since marr (Silly Sam - 4/4/2006 11:31:39 PM)
Awesome.  Since marriage is between "one man and one woman," now my sister and I can finally get married!  We got a cabin in Kentuuuuucky.


That's funny...yet p (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:31:40 PM)
That's funny...yet pathetic at the same time.


There was a reason f (Rick O'Dell - 4/4/2006 11:31:40 PM)
There was a reason for Deputy Fife to have just one bullet.  Perhaps legislation taking away Reid's bullet is in order.  Let him keep the gun -- after all it's the bullet -- no make that the shooter that's dangerous.


http://leg1.state.va (Brave Hart - 4/4/2006 11:31:40 PM)
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+coh+18.2-56.1+408741

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+coh+18.2-279+408741

Lock'em up. Or is that just for the commoners?



That's not to mentio (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:40 PM)
That's not to mention the clear associations that can be drawn between Palistinian and Iraqi elections.  If Palestine is electing HAMAS leaders and other militant representatives, shouldn't that provide a lesson for shrub on what to expect in Iraq??

But he is too dumb to see that.



Outstanding, Lowell. (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:31:40 PM)
Outstanding, Lowell.  I think it's safe to say 'irony' is one of the many, many, many words George W. Bush doesn't understand.


Yes James, you naile (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:44 PM)
Yes James, you nailed it, I'm against democracy!  How did you know?  Wow, it's like you can read my mind!  Or is this what psychologists call "projection?"  Hmmm...

Now, please explain why your hero Bush is siding with a group dedicated to destroying Israel?  And please explain how a terrorist organization that has killed hundreds of innocent civilians is in any way, shape, or form comparable to MoveOn.org, a peaceful, liberal U.S. political group?  Utterly bizarre.



fpm Young, all any o (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:44 PM)
fpm Young, all any of us should care about is America.  If a Palistinian democracy promotes instability in the middle east, while a dictatorship would provide a more stable environment, we shouldn't necessarily favor democracy over there.

I've said this from the beginning regarding Iraq.  Saddam wasn't a threat, he was powerless, and he provided stability and didn't ally with Iran completely like it looks the new Iraq democracy will.

We've created a monster.



This is what happens (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:44 PM)
This is what happens when you have free elections in the arab middle east.  Some very similar things are bound to happen once we withdraw from Iraq.

Sometimes a militant dictator is a good thing.



James Young is objec (dsquared - 4/4/2006 11:31:44 PM)
James Young is objectively pro-Hamas and pro terrorist. If he's more concerned about Moveon.com and the now dormant Media Fund than he is about Bush taking steps advancing electoral empowerment of a group dedicated to Israel's destruction, then he without doubt has MAJOR ISSUES.


a) Stay in the party (JC - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
a) Stay in the party and fight from the inside


The party is us. (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
The party is us.

It's like that guy who said he was going to commit suicide if Kerry lost.. bollocks!

If you want to move make big changes, it won't be done outside the 2 party system.  The Democratic party can most certainly be moved, and we're just the kind of people who make that kind of thing happen.



I agree with Josh. (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
I agree with Josh.  With the ongoing abuse of power coming from the administration, and the likelihood it will continue with the next GOP nominee, we have little choice but to hang in there.  But, it's still fair to raise the question: Senatorial Dems--what are they good for?  Unfortunately, the attempt to block Alito was a necessary but not sufficient show of backbone.  So those not on the "list" are not off the hook.  They've had far too many lapses of judgment.  There are a few others I am done with: Clinton, Biden, Reid to name a few.  I may be a yellow-dog Dem when I vote.  But I am not when I volunteer. 

Closer to home, in the Virginia Senate race, it appears that Miller cares little about an auditable paper trail.  BTW, though this is no-doubt heresy, it's important to note that Mark Warner didn't care much about it either. A new book (entitled "Fooled Again") takes on voter fraud in Ohio.  And the appeasers on verified voting in our own ranks have given it all away for the forseeable future...unless Dems act with clarity and conviction now.  I think it's long past time we expect more courage from our representatives.  If this isn't the time to show it, then when is?



Take a little vacati (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
Take a little vacation. Stop reading the news for a little while. Take a break. Go on vacation. Let your head clear. Get your center.

Then come back and fight.



Democrats who side w (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
Democrats who side with Republicans in Congress aren't worth our time.  The first thing to do is stop funding guys like Joe Lieberman.


Those who hope for t (Timothy Seeley - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
Those who hope for the best and want to improve what is occuring in the nation have except for a few periods in American history have never had clear majorities in the branches of government on any level in any state.  Therefore we will have large periods of seeming inaction and some regressive backsliding. The Democratic Party needs people like you Mr Feld those who ignore the arguements that in politics one can only be a worker bee not a strategist as well and instead simply accomplish things. Remember that in dealing with the electorate your dealing with people who prefer lazy comfort to action which in our culture has been in a way made to seem the realm of a select few and something tremendously uncomfortable and not worth the time or effort to accomplish them. 


Agree with Willis. (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:53 PM)
Agree with Willis.  Except for the DNC, PACS of those who get it, or local Democratic parties, I think donations should be to candidates themselves.


Loudon is coming in. (uva08 - 4/4/2006 11:31:54 PM)
Loudon is coming in.... Its a complete blowout


"a lil one sided." I (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:54 PM)
"a lil one sided." I'd say, Herring won every single precinct.  WOW


Sweet Mary, this is (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:31:54 PM)
Sweet Mary, this is a complete blowout!

What does this mean for the State Senate?



Tom/Kevin: Yes it i (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:54 PM)
Tom/Kevin:  Yes it is! :)


God what a butt whoo (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:31:54 PM)
God what a butt whoopin'!  This is awesome!!!


This is a great nigh (Brian - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
This is a great night for Democrats.

Congrats to Herring!



His speech was wonde (Nichole - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
His speech was wonderful. The words flowed naturally. HOW he said his words was as important as the words themselves. He showed the nation that he was being truthful, and that negativity does not have to be the name of the game.

I disagree with David, I don't at all think he sounded cocky! I actually think he sounded confident. (Which we should be). However, I don't think he went into the over-confident territory.

Kaine, made excellent points in relating what has been done in VA to what could/should be done for the nation.

Bravo Tim!



Yea I liked his spea (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Yea I liked his speach. He Basically oppose everything that bush said. And he did it in 15 minutes instead of the hour, that Bush used. But there was one thing I didn't like. He sounded to cockie.

So if you want to see it, just click on the link:
You see a video scream, click on "More Video", then on "Va Gov Kaine Gives Domocratic Responce"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/?nav=globetop



Yeah, we have plenty (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Yeah, we have plenty of seats that a strong Democratic challenger could take this year.

Davis, Wolf, Goode, and Drake have all been fine examples of how corrupt the Republican Party has become.  Let's bring them down!



Congratulations! (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)


"let’s try and bounc (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
"let’s try and bounce Davis and Wolf this year!"

You're right Kevin.  Let's add Virgil Goode to the list too.



Woohoo!!! This at (Will Evans - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Woohoo!!!

This at least takes some of the sting out of Alito's confirmation.

The trend is clear.  We have the advantage up here.

Let's keep it up.



Congratulations to S (Matusleo - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Congratulations to Sen. Herring!  And congratulations to Mary, and everyone else who worked hard to make tonight's victory possible!

Each seat closer is one more seat closer to making Virginia Blue.  I'm so proud of you guys! :-)



Teddy: Right, let's (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Teddy:  Right, let's go for a clear majority and watch as these right-wing Republicans crawl back under the slimy rock from whence they slithered.


Amen, bretheren! Wha (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Amen, bretheren! What a grand victory... even if there were any Republican absentee ballots that are slipped into the count, it should be a firm Democratic victory. Thanks to Mary for her great efforts. I wonder what the dog walker she encountered thinks now? But, Lowell, to say the Dems need only 3 more to pull even is only partially accurate. If the President of the Senate is a Republican and you have a straight party-line vote, the Repubs will still control. Remember what they taught us in boot camp: "50 percent plus 1."


Wolf just got some s (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Wolf just got some strong competition, too. Judy Feder looks like a potential winner to me, especially given the strong blue tide sweeping NOVA.  Hey Frank, remember what happened to Connie Morella?  Just a little something to think about.  And how about you, Tom Davis?  You think you're so invulnerable?  Well, we'll just have to see about that!


"This is huge, the m (Tom Joad (Kevin) - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
"This is huge, the momentum continues, 2007 is just around the corner."

For right now, lets focus on 2006.  I know that there's a difference between federal and state elections but let's try and bounce Davis and Wolf this year!



Let's just say, as B (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Let's just say, as Ben wrote the other day, that we're nearing "Cuccinelli's Last Stand!"  And we all know how THAT one ended...heh.


Lowell, why don't yo (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Lowell, why don't you blog James Webb to death? to change his mind.

Herring won unless Stalon can get about 75% of the rest of the votes. So Stalon might have a chance.



This is huge, the mo (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
This is huge, the momentum continues, 2007 is just around the corner.


Not to say I told yo (Mimi Schaeffer - 4/4/2006 11:31:55 PM)
Not to say I told you so, but...

I told you so.



Feel good generaliti (Dr. Addison Jump - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
Feel good generalities but no painful discussion about withdrawal from Iraq.  Withdrawal in 2006 will mean an agonizing civil war.  Withdrawal in 2009 will mean an agonizing civil war.  The UN has been in Cyprus since 1964:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_dispute

The situation in Cyprus is different from that in Iraq.  But consider the cases of Yugoslavia, Lebanon, Vietnam, Korea -- those of you better versed in history than I am can find dozens of cases in which blood shed is not forgiven until one side wins completely.  Iraqis should kiss and make up, forget all the murders, forget the loss in wealth, power, influence to other groups.

Miracles do happen, as in South Africa.  Do we have individuals of the stature and greatness of Mandela or Tutu in Iraq?

If we pull out of Iraq it will be said that heroic Muslims checked the world's only superpower.  When we pulled out of Vietnam, it was said heroic Communists checked the world's only superpower.  Not long afterward, Vietnam was fighting China.  Later they did humanity a favor by eliminating Pol Pot, also a Communist.  Once we are out, Iraqis are not going to look favorably on Al Queda elements that have been murdering Iraqi women and children.  A temporary apparent boost for the terrorist approach will be dissolved by a Muslim stuggle to solve their internal conflicts.

If we could stay in Iraq for 41 years, as long as the UN has been in Cyprus, we might prevent a terrible bloodletting.  Perhaps that would be the moral course, but I don't think it's politically possible.

We are gambling with the lives of your young people by staying.  Leaving is hard, hard, agonizing.  Maybe that's why so many don't seem to be talking about terrible truths such as: a young man with his legs blown off, blood pouring out of his mouth, eyes glazing.



I was also impressed (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
I was also impressed with Kaine's speech , but was also impressed and moved by your post.

Amen Brother!  It starts now, let's do it.



Very well put Dr. Ad (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
Very well put Dr. Addison, I haven't heard it phrased that way (or maybe I did and missed it)

"Iraqis are not going to look favorably on Al Queda elements that have been murdering Iraqi women and children. A temporary apparent boost for the terrorist approach will be dissolved by a Muslim stuggle to solve their internal conflicts."



Kaine made Bush look (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
Kaine made Bush look like... bush league. Go, Tim! So a few naysayers worried about Kaine's signature eyebrow. That's the moral equivalent of discussing, for example, Diane Feinstein's dress instead of the content of her speech, and effectively is trying to trivialize what he has to say ("Senator Feinstein wore a baby blue suit with shawl lapels today in her speech against..."). One reason I really don't watch television, and do not own a set, is because I can better concentrate on what is actually being said.


Tim did a great job. (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
Tim did a great job.  It was the perfect response.


I stayed up to watch (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
I stayed up to watch.  He did rather well, considering that he's only been governor for about a week.  Good message.  His major goal wasn't to alienate anybody.  Good tactic, especially when the response is usually used to further a divide between the two parties.


Kaine's words were l (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:31:56 PM)
Kaine's words were lessons to all of us...well written. He did a solid job of delivery too.


There is an omnibus (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:32:00 PM)
There is an omnibus energy bill floating around committee in Richmond, SB 262, patron Frank Wagner. It's a doozie, 30 pages long. Check it out, Lowell, and give us your analysis (I warn you upfront, it has a very broad brush and even includes drilling for oil off Virginia coasts).


Because ancient Isra (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:32:03 PM)
Because ancient Israel was a kingdom it is highly likely that the king could have enforced decrees against illegal immigration, if it had existed at that time.

The Hebrew Bible makes no claims about whether the United States can enforce its own laws against illegal immigration.

I am in favor of enforcing immigration laws when they are wise, and repealing them when not.

It seems to me that the current system benefits  wealthy people who employ illegal aliens. That is who the illegal immigration is for the benefit of.

It is not tolerated in order to benefit the illegal immigrants themselves. Pul-leeze.



I think the use of t (PM - 4/4/2006 11:32:03 PM)
I think the use of the verse by Lowell is more a form of irony.  I agree that the OT is filled with dreadful stuff.  I agree also that the principles we should follow are the modern ones.  It's just that the right thinks they get to pick and choose. 


Pete: Exactly. Jus (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:03 PM)
Pete:  Exactly.  Just as it is ironic how the right-wingers selectively quote the Bible to justify their positions on certain issues, while ignoring all the parts that speak of showing compassion for the poor, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc?


Agreed many supporte (Corey - 4/4/2006 11:32:03 PM)
Agreed many supporters (and detractors) have their own motivations, the least of which is to serve the common good.

On the same note, a similar bill passed the House last year but was killed in the Senate.

Unfortunately, I believe the goal isn't necessarily to get the bill passed.  The goal is to stir up racial tensions and get the hard-core conservative base motivated and to win the next election.  Consequently, the bills supporters may be rooting for it not to pass so they can bitch and moan through the next election and then start the process all over again next session.  It's not as if there are pressing issues :).



I'm astounded and th (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:03 PM)
I'm astounded and this is sickening.  What the hell are they thinking?

Y'all deserve your ignorant children.  According to Newsweek, After 3rd grade Boys in American might as well drop dead for all the use education is going to do them.

Y'all deserve your decaying roads.  How do you thing these things get built?

Is there no end to the perfidity of the enormously wealthy in this nation? 

I'm ashamed of the greed in this nation, I thought Virginia was better than this.

I've been wrong before.  I guess you can't go wrong underestimating the intelligence of the American people and now you can't go wrong overestimating the Greed of the American people.

I'm gonna be sick...



flip it around a sec (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
flip it around a second you are telling 871 people to pay 120million/871=$137,732 each when they die as a "reward" for making it. 

As a compromise maybe you could exempt monies that an individual has already paid taxes on (income, capital gains, dividends)

Kaine might realize that he doesn't have the votes(I don't know what the vote range was)



Not the same Adam- (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Not the same Adam-

i am not a HOD member yet. give me 8-10 years and who knows. I have posted in another topic that i will post under my full name from now on because i have been confused with Adam Sharp who also posts here.



Dan says, "Adam, you (Not the same Adam - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Dan says, "Adam, you made the choice to give a tax cut to the wealthy. As much as I think you are a wonderful delegate, and a great guy, I think you made a mistake..." FYI, the "Adam" who is posting on this page about this issue is not a member of the House of Delegates.


Tim Kaine supported (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Tim Kaine supported this publicly a year ago.  It was one of the major reservations I had about his politics. 

In addition to the basic point that it's regressive -- a break for the rich that will be paid for by cuts to the poor -- it would seem to work against the "fiscally sound" message Kaine has tried hard to build.



Bill Gates Sr. says (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Bill Gates Sr. says "Long Live the Estate Tax!"

Lost in this debate are the benefits to our country of maintaining an estate tax. Originally passed in 1916, the estate tax was a fundamentally American response to the excesses of the Gilded Age. Populist reformers labored for the three decades before 1916 to pass federal income and estate taxes in order to shift the tax burden, mostly in the form of nineteenth-century tariff duties and excise taxes, off of Midwestern and Southern farm states and onto the wealthy Northeastern states. But underlying the movement for an estate tax was a recognition that too much concentrated wealth and power was putting our democracy at risk. We had fought a revolution to reject hereditary political and economic power--and the dizzying inequalities of the Gilded Age violated a fundamental American ideal of equality of opportunity.

We are now in a second Gilded Age. Instead of taking steps that would strengthen our democracy, we're heading backward to the wealth inequalities of a century ago. We need to preserve the estate tax in states and at the federal level for exactly the reason it is under assault. In a democracy, we should be offended when the power of concentrated wealth brazenly attempts to shape the terms of policy debate and dictate the rules of our society.



I would be willing t (Steve Nelson - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
I would be willing to bet that there is more to this story that we don't know about. A you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. Kaine is focused on transportation. Maybe the Republicans have said "we'll give you your transporation bill if you give us this tax cut".

In all honesty that would be a HUGE win for the Democrats. Think about it. If Kaine can successfuly clean up the roads in VA it'll impress 6,999,129 people. Kaine will get that victory not the Republicans. In return the Republicans are impressing the remaining 871 people in the state. 



Adam: It's called "e (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Adam: It's called "estate planning," and I certainly have little sympathy for rich people who have reams of accountants and lawyers to take care of this stuff for them.


Adam: No, the only (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Adam:  No, the only way to "make up" lost revenue is to raise it elsewhere - or to cut spending.  I have seen no sign of either.  The estate tax is probably the most American tax and the most PROGRESSIVE tax there is, since it only affects the richest, since it encourages meritocracy, and since it discouraages part of what we rebelled against in 1776 - a hereditary aristocracy.

Regarding the # of people affected, it's miniscule - 871 estates in FY 2005, out of 7.1 million people in Virginia.  Assuming that 10 people per estate are affected, which is a highly generous assumption, that would mean 8,710 people affected out of 7.1 million Virginians, or 0.1%.  In other words, 99.9% of Virginians are NOT affected by this tax.  However, the loss of $120 million per year will hurt every single Virginian, particularly the middle class and the poor. 



Dead people don't ne (valley iconoclast - 4/4/2006 11:32:04 PM)
Dead people don't need the money, their children have done nothing to earn the money.  Inheritance does not promote any of the values of a market based society, it just allows wealth accumulation.  In a society where wealth=power, permitting the transfers of massive wealth creates a virtual aristocracy. 

We can be reasonable and raise the floor of when this tax kicks in, or exempt real property but abolishing the estate tax is just plain stupid. 



Way too late, dude. (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Way too late, dude.  It's already up at about 1016 now.  I think I signed it way back when it was around 100.


We need a primary to (Wendell - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
We need a primary to see who has the legs to beat Allen. Run Webb, Run!!!!!


You'll notice Hang'e (Brave Hart - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
You'll notice Hang'em High Hargrove is not here, that's because he is now against the death penalty.

  So what is it people of Hanover are you against the death penalty or in favor of killing children along with everyone else?

HB 859 Death penalty; persons not eligible for parole or good conduct allowance.
Frank D. Hargrove, Sr.

Summary as introduced:
Crimes; death penalty.  Abolishes the death penalty for all Class 1 felonies committed on or after July 1, 2006.

He knows it won't pass, so what is his purpose of entering this bill for the past 6 years?



If Webb runs for the (Wendell - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
If Webb runs for the US Senate, all we need to know is how he feels on the war and what is he going to do about it. Also, Webb don't got baggage of corruption and/or money changing in the temple for a quick buck.

Senator Kennedy will take care of all the other issues if he becomes Chairman of the Health, Education Labor & Pension Committee. Remember the world does not spin around Virginia. That poor man from Colorado has to get reelected and whomever the poor soul from Ohio is when that person wins that seat.

Mr Webb's resume alone will get him a seat on the Senate Intelligence committee as well as the Foreign Relations committee. I would like him on Armed Services but I Believe our best interests are guaranteed there if a certain person is the ranking minority member. Remember he looses his chairmanship soon but he will not loose his seniority.

A Webb candidicy will expose the money changers in the temple even if he doesn't win.



Please everybody jus (Lee Diamond - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Please everybody just relax.  DraftJamesWebb started as a grassroots effort.  We do not have any great secrets or anything like that.  We felt it was important to act.  We did that.  We're managing the effort to draft Mr. Webb, or encourage him to run, if you like.

We do not speak for Mr. Webb.  Everything we've put out or highlighted comes from Mr. Webb's personal website, http://www.jameswebb.com.

Every person involved in this is a Democratic activist.  I am sorry we did not come out at the beginning and identify ourselves.  I guess it was another one of those internet phenoms.  We are committed to doing what is best for the Democratic Party.

Go to http://www.vetpac.org or http://bandofbrothers2006.org and find out about the national movement sweeping America.

Thanks,
Lee Diamond



Lowell, Lee, and Jos (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Lowell, Lee, and Josh DO know what he stands for.  They aren't allowed to tell us, as Webb asked that it was all off the record.  (If I recall, Miller has had most of his own conversations be off the record.)  However, they tell me that his views are that off a moderate-progressive Democrat.  I trust them.  That's all there is to it.


I understand that... (ZB - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
I understand that... I just don't get why we're trying to draft someone when we DON'T know where he stands on so many important issues.  Why not try to draft someone whose views you know are in line with ours?


ZB, Lee and Lowell (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
ZB,
Lee and Lowell and I don't have any special knowledge about Mr. Webb's positions.  We'll see what's going on with this situation very soon, when all of us interested observers find out.

I do have a prediction, however. Based on what James Webb has already published (especially his Purple Heartbreakers op-ed in the NYT), once he articulates the positions you've asked about ZB, I predict you'll be motivated to vote for him in the Dem primary and certainly in the general v. Allen.

You'll have to come back and let me know if I'm right.

Josh



Allen may be beatabl (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Allen may be beatable--but not by Miller, imo.  I sure hope Webb will run--if he does, he'll need to hit the ground running, so to speak--tempus fugit!


I'd be happy to cons (ZB - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
I'd be happy to consider being #1000 if any of the other 999 could tell me where James Webb stands on:

- the employment non-discrimination act
- open service by gays and lesbians in the military
- the local law enforcement act
- abortion rights
- raising the minimum wage
- drilling in ANWR
- school vouchers
- seperation of church and state
- Presidential wiretaps without a warrant
- universal health care
- the right of the Senate to filibuster judicial nominations
- liability reform for asbestos companies
- renewal of the assault weapons ban

Heck, I'd settle for one or two of these questions being answered.



I just wish people w (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
I just wish people wouldn't immediately jump into either camp, one way or the other, over Miller or Webb.  Let's give both men a chance to show us what they've got, and we can go from there.

Frankly, I don't care who gets in the race at this point, it's way too late for anyone--we should have a big frontrunner up and running already, but we don't.  So, given that, let's have a good competition of ideas and let the DEmocratic primary voters decide.  The winner will get TONS of money and support from all Democrats across the state, because if Santorum is beatable in PA, so is Allen in VA.



I think whenyou anno (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
I think whenyou announced he was out, then back in, it got people interested.  Regardless of what Miller-people say, I don't think he burned many bridges.  The numbers on the petition have actually been doing better since he dropped out and then got back in.


Dannyboy: Interesti (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Dannyboy:  Interesting, looks like the old Hollywood expression that "all publicity is good publicity" still applies? :)

Doug:  Definitely, Allen is beatable.  He never really ran a tough race against a determined candidate with the broad appeal of a Jim Webb.  This is going to be interesting...if I were Allen I'd be a bit worried.

ZB:  This will all start coming out after Webb makes an announcement.  Stay tuned.

Dannyboy: Exactly.  Listen to Webb and decide if he impresses you as much as he has impressed so many grassroots activists and respected Democrats like former Sen. Bob Kerrey.



James Webb hasn't an (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
James Webb hasn't announced his positions on those because he is NOT A CANDIDATE YET.  Come on, man.  Miller didn't say anything before he was a candidate (still hasn't said everything he needs to.)  You don't have to sign the petition, ZB (I think he's already made up his mind one way or the other by now.)  Just listen to him if decides to run.  That's all I ask.


Ha, it was 999 this (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
Ha, it was 999 this morning when I wrote this;  seems like the number jumps every time I check.  Obviously, there's a great deal of excitement out there for a Webb candidacy, as well there should be.  :)


I just have one ques (uva08 - 4/4/2006 11:32:08 PM)
I just have one question... What is the status of his candidacy?!  I have heard he was making an announcement this week.


Adam: There were a (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
Adam:  There were a couple of technical glitches that we're hoping to work out by early next week.  Converting to a new technology isn't as easy as I thought it would be.  Is it ever? :)


bipartisan agreement (nova_middle_man - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
bipartisan agreement woohoo :)


What possesses these (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
What possesses these people?  I can't believe any I's or D's voted for this monstrosity.
We need campaign finance reform now.


True.........can't w (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
True.........can't wait to see the final product. What i did see of it looked like a big move forward for RK.


Sorry. This is off t (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
Sorry. This is off topic, but where did the new site go?


ZB: Thanks, I fixed (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
ZB:  Thanks, I fixed it.  Sad to see Algie Howell vote for this...


A sad correction---H (ZB - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
A sad correction---Howell, AT is Delegate Algie T. Howell Jr. (D-Nofolk).  You have him listed as an R.

First droopy drawers.  Now this.  Shame on him



J. Sarge: Thanks, I (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:09 PM)
J. Sarge: Thanks, I made the correction.


guys, that pic is cr (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
guys, that pic is creig deeds not al weed.
Josh


correction: I was re (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
correction: I was referring to ID as a general theory that is in need of tweaking, not necessarily a scientific one. I haven’t made up my mind about weather I view ID as science or not. I’m trying to see it from a non-religious interpretation.

People have different conflicting motives for everything they do. some are completely off the wall as in this article but, as long as the result is the righting of a wrong and mean of achieving their goal is ethical and legal(should have pointed this out above sorry) then the motive is not of concern to me at least until it leads to things like Iraq (extreme example), or censorship ext. In areas where the motive is being applied to the detriment of society I will be the first point it out.



Point taken, Adam, e (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Point taken, Adam, except for one thing.  I don't belive ID to be a scientific theory.  For me, I'll admit it is faith-based.  While I do believe in the principle of evolution, I see evolution as part of God's work through means uncomprehendable to mankind.  That every evolutionary step is God doing what he does best.  I don't expect my beliefs to be taught as science.  They are matters of faith.  A faith not everybody will agree on.

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree, however, on if motivation means anything as long as a "right" is done in the end.



Teddy In scientif (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Teddy

In scientific terms, a “theory” is a plausible general principle

that definition means unproven by using the word "plausible." I didn't say it means unproven assumption, I interpret it as an unproven idea.



Dannyboy- "So you (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Dannyboy-

"So you’d bet they guy who claimed that atomic structure should be described as a theory in a science book?"

this brings up a good point. Some things should be reevaluated as to weather or not results of work based on theories prove them to be fact(ex. many aspects of atomic theory).

No. all the information we have come up with after that is not also a theory. we know atomic structures exist it is still theory because we don't fully understand how it works.

they are the smartest people in the world. but unless they prove what they say, then it will remain theory. In the article it was a web designer not a scientist.

In my eyes if a wrong is righted then the motivation is irrelevant. even if the creationists are appeased the result is still the correct representation of "big bang theory."

Saying "Just a theory" down plays the importance of theoretical science. evolution is a theory, an important theory, but still a theory. evolution is a theory because many aspects of it are unproveable. If you believe in a "loose form of ID"(i do as well) then you must recognize that there are flaws in evolutionary theory. the fact that it has flaws doesn't discredit the entire theory it just needs tweaking same goes for ID and all other theories.

You are right bush would set up as theocratic monarchy if we let him. I personally feel the pre-bush gov. has been disrespectful to religion across the board. bush has made the right to public religious expression worse by favoring one over the rest. Its like Bushes Faith Based Initiative. the idea i support, the motivation and method of application i do not. bush wants it and applies it for Christians and is creating more disrespect and discrimination in the process. If Democrats controlled the program, it would truly give all religions charities' equal and fair access to competitive funding.



The word "theory" is (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
The word "theory" is a semantic snake pit because to the untrained, unscientific ear it sounds "iffy" like "I have a theory my girl friend is maybe seeing another guy on the sly." It means something a little different, shall we say, to a scientist who is trained to look at evidence (what REALLY is) and postulate a rationale for the way it IS and then do an experiment to prove or disprove his theory, and then OTHER third parties must be able to replicate the experiment and get the same results.

In scientific terms, a "theory" is a plausible general principle NOT an unproved assumption per se. Unfortunately, the American education system does not teach the scientific method in grammar school, children actually graduate from high school never having performed an experiment or having been taught to think through a scientific problem.  Received wisdom, as stated in the Bible as interpreted by certain religious leaders, is the ultimate authority for far too many Americans today, and on far too many topics beyond the scope of religion (in my opinion). 

No wonder foreigners want to get into our Universities but NOT our lower level schools.  We will no longer be able to compete in the coming global systems if we continue this assinine anti-science thinking... it is the mind set displayed by the know-nothings Bush has salted throughout the government that worries me, not the specifics of what they arbitrarily say about evolution, contraception, Big Bang or anything else.

Great God Almighty, wake up, folks! Isn't the universe itself wondrous enough if you're looking to prove God's handiwork with a sense of wonder? Science and the scientific method every day give us something new to wonder at, often something that turns previous "knowledge" on its head. That's exciting revelation of God at work, if you care to look, and are inclined to think that way.



By the way, to clear (Adam Sharp - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
By the way, to clear up confusion, I am the guy who posted the story. I always comment with my full name.

Thanks for the link, Lowell.



I agree that it shou (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
I agree that it should be called the big bang theory, but not for the sake of appeasing creationists.  So you'd bet they guy who claimed that atomic structure should be described as a theory in a science book?  That all the information we have come up with after that is also a theory?  I understand what you're saying Adam, but your own doubts to the big bang hardly help your argument.  With all due respect, dude, these guys who agree with the big bang are some of the smartest men and women on the planet.  If they tell me they think the big bang is correct, I'm going to agree with them.  The Bush Administration is just trying to further the force of religion into government.  Like I said, I'm a very religious person myself.  I just get upset when my government tries to tell me what is religiously correct. It's a very personal matter, someone's faith, and I don't like it getting messed with.  Trust the science to the science buffs, and religion to theology buffs.  I personally believe in a very loose form of intelligent design.  That doesn't mean I want evolution to be considered "just a theory."


weather the motive i (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
weather the motive is to leave open creationism as an option is irrelevant. If the big bang theory was portrayed as fact then he was right to have "theory" put with big bang. If it says big bang, relativity, evolution, ect. without "theory" after or "theory of" before they are written then they are incorrectly stated as fact. Just because the theories are widely accepted doesn't mean they should be presented as fact. I wouldn’t say Big Bang Theory is just opinion but it is unproven and that should be made clear.

I don't know how the universe originated (fairies flew out of a sock with pixy dust, space is full of dust. why not?), but I have reservations about the Big Bang Theory. According to the theory, the universe started with a fight of sorts between matter (something) and anti-matter (nothing) that ended with an explosion. the idea that something got into a fight with nothing and won thus creating the universe is a little shaky to me. I am not saying the theory is wrong, but it is a theory because it is not proven and should be written as such no matter how accepted it is.

Just to be clear, I am not supporting or detracting from the theories of big bang, evolution, or intelligent design for that matter. I am just saying that as an unproven scientific idea, the Big Bang Theory and all other theories should always be presented as a theory never as fact.



Jesus, what does tha (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Jesus, what does that first sentence say?  I just got up 5 minutes ago.  What I meant to say was that even though all those are theories, they are still considered correct and true by mainstream science.


If I remember my Hig (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
If I remember my High School Science class correctly "The Big Bang" is a theory.


Yeah, so is relativi (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Yeah, so is relativity.  So is evolution.  So is atomic structure.  Just because they are theories, doesn't mean that mainstream science is correct.

Read the whole statement, and you'll see that the kid (I say kid because he's only 5 years older than me) wants to leave room for design by a creater as an option.

Now, I consider myself a religious person.  But creationism?  The world is NOT 6000 years old, it's nearly 6 billion.  Evolution and the Big Bang have much more evidence than intelligent design or creationism, which rely mostly upon faith.  Not to step on anybody's beliefs, you want to be a creationist, go ahead.  But it's religious, not scientific.  NASA does science, not religion.



I see evolution in m (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
I see evolution in much the same way as you. I mean if an animal’s environment changes is just makes scene that god would adapt the animal rather than let it go extinct.


Is the event tonight (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Is the event tonight, Monday, 1/6/06? No date is given.


Sorry. It hadn’t eve (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:10 PM)
Sorry. It hadn’t even occurred to me that I might be confused with you. I will post with my full name as well for clarity.


I agree with the bas (Andrew - 4/4/2006 11:32:13 PM)
I agree with the basis of thought that legislators should live under the rules they set but raising the minimum wage does nothing to aliviate poverty. If it did then the United States would not have any peron(s) living in poverty and we could end foreign aid and just tell nations in Latin America, Africa and SE Asia to implement minimum wage laws and watch their standard of living grow. But that is not how economics works. Forcing business owners in the more rural and economically depressed part of the Commonwealth to increase their employee's pay will only lead to further unemployment and lagging job growth.


how hard would is be (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:13 PM)
how hard would is be for us to potition and get it on the ballot? what are the rules for that in VA?


Seems like Kaine's B (David Lang - 4/4/2006 11:32:13 PM)
Seems like Kaine's Bills are being rejected one by one. This time it is the transportaion bill.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/08/AR2006020801335.html


That is why us Dem's (Andrew - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
That is why us Dem's lose elections. We adhere to redistribution of income and forcfully taking or wanting to take from others (business owners).


This is terrific new (J. Sarge - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
This is terrific news!  Congratulations, y'all!


when will we see a c (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
when will we see a campaign web site?


Congratulations! Now (Howard Park - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
Congratulations! Now comes the hard part!


Congrats on the resu (JC - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
Congrats on the results of all your hard work.  Now we can meet Saturday night over drinks and begin planning Webb's victory.


No question, at a ce (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
No question, at a certain level - not sure what it is, but my guess is it's a LOT higher than it is now - the minimum wage increases the cost of labor enough to decrease the quanitity demanded.  However, raising the wage from $5.15 per hour to $6.15 per hour is highly unlikely, in my opinion, to make much if any difference in this way.  Also, I would argue that if raising wages by $1 per hour, let's say, helped 99 people while causing 1 to lose a job, it might be worth it.  The point is, employment is not the only variable here. 

Another example: requiring employers to provide a safe work environment, or health insurance, raises their costs and theoretically could reduce their demand for labor.  However, I wouldn't oppose those things because they have overriding benefits.  The bottom line is that you've got to look at the whole picture....

Also, I would raise the topic of "externalities" - costs and other bad stuff (pollution) not captured by standard economics or the market.  For instance, if maintaining low minimum wages harms social cohesion, or increases crime, or simply shifts the burden of providing nutritional, housing and health care assistance to local, state, or federal governments, then that's an "externality" from the market's point of view.  Yet it is still a cost.  Even more complicated, how do you measure the "cost" of morality.  In other words, some things are "right" to do even if economic theory says they are not "optimal" or whatever...



I under stand all th (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
I under stand all that. raising minimum wage once every 5-10-15 years or so (as in the past) does nothing. It's just that you have to start somewhere and the GA isn't going to do squat. I would like to see an incremental increase of 30-50 cents over a year or 2 then when it reaches a set level implement something along the lines of what you said above. I would do it annually to reduce the hassle on accounting and gov cost of implementation and enforcement. just the basic accounting I’m in now is a pain in the rear.


It is not redistribu (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
It is not redistribution of income or forcefully taking from others. It is properly pay employees for their work. Not to mention better pay brings in better workers.

Economic Info
Part of the reason minimum wage has to be set by an outside entity (the government)is because low wage businesses that would be willing to pay employees properly are unable to because it will put them at a competitive disadvantage to those reaping benefits at the expense of their employees livelihood. By the Government setting minimum wages, businesses are able to pay livable wages and be on equal competitive ground in that respect. Employees will be happy, willing to work harder, and employers don't have to cut wages to be competitive with other similar businesses. Businesses can use profits for improvements, promotion, and anything else business related without worrying about being undermined by others lowering wages to increase profits giving them a bigger pot to dip from at the employees expense. 

It is a shame that it has to be written law for employers to pay properly but that is the facts of life.



I'm not sure It was (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
I'm not sure It was referred to as a "Million Dollar a year store" without distinction. none the less even if of is rev. a gas station of its size (physically) does not have a lot of over head costs. at the very least it is profiting 400-600,000 a year after all expenses including the miserable pay. Also there are 2 other bigger/nicer newer stations within 400 yards of it so it is at the competitive disadvantage as far as that goes. So I would assume the other 2 stations (Appco & Exxon/McDonalds combo) are doing even better that that one and payig about the same as well.


Was that million a i (Andrew - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
Was that million a in revenue or profit?


That’s a bunch of cr (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
That’s a bunch of crap with all due respect. I live in BFE down here in the 9th. witch is home to the poorest counties in VA. During a Management training at a local gas station (Quick Stop in Duffield, VA, My mom was told that One station earn over a Million dollars a year. the station had 10-15 employees all making less than 5.75 (usually 5.35) an hour except for the manager. I hardly see how paying 6.75 or 7.50 an hour is going to bring down the store.

And by the way, even by Bushes Tax Cut logic, that is how economics works. When you put more money in peoples pockets they can buy more. Bush just puts it in the wrong pockets. A rise in minimum wage will in turn increase tax rev. and business profits because more money will be circulating, especially in rural areas. But most importantly it will increase quality of life/opportunity for gain.

By the way I know this from growing up with a mom who worked for minimum wage. while raising the wage doesn't alleviate poverty completely, it does make things a little better for those living in it. A dollar or two an hour would have made a world of difference. your logic doesn't work when talking to someone who lived it.



Unfortunately, arbit (blueinthecommonwealth_VA - 4/4/2006 11:32:14 PM)
Unfortunately, arbitrary raises of the minimum wage do little but temporarily help low wage workers. Once prices have adequate time to catch up to the level of wages (which, on average, would increase if the minimum wage was raised), it would simply be back to the way it was.

I think a better answer economically would be to index wages to inflation and update that number every 3 to 6 months. If the minimum wage was dynamic, prices wouldn't react as quickly to subtle raises in the wage rate over time.

This isn't to say that there shouldn't be an initial real wage increase, since the minimum wage now IS sickeningly unlivable, but it really isn't a long term fix unless the wage rate is indexed to the rate of inflation.

Think about it like this. When the minimum wage was increased to $5.15 an hour, $5.15 had a greater value than it does now. With the wage increase, however, people suddenly had more money to spend.

More money means a sudden increase in aggregate demand which = increased prices...blah blah blah...

You get the picture...God i'm so glad i paid attention in Econ class...



Some comments on the (ScottCoDemocrat - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Some comments on the primary question.

The Central Committee of the Democratic Party of Virginia is meeting this weekend in Richmond to decide whether to nominate a Senate candidate by Primary or Convention.  If a primary is the chosen method of nomination it would be held on the second Tuesday in June (June 13, 2006)



Congrats! Very impr (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Congrats!  Very imprssive. Now we can beat George Allen.


We have a good man i (Chris from ASL - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
We have a good man in the race...all my best to James for a win. He's a good man to represent our Commonwealth


I would expect a pri (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
I would expect a primary.  A convention would cause too much anger and confusion amongst Democrats.  So remember, we have a lot of work before June 13, 2006!


Primary is coming so (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Primary is coming soon, we have to be prepared.  Hey, how about we organize a very polite, very honest, very positive debate between our two primary candidates?  Harris Miller, God bless him, isn't a very good speaker (he just lacks too much charisma.)  James Webb, from what I've heard, is pretty damn good.  Maybe we just need to let Virginia Democrats know who's the real challenger here.

P.S.  Mark Warner said earlier in they year that he wouldn't endorse any candidate until after a primary.  Let's see if he holds to that.



From the ABC Story: (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
From the ABC Story:

Webb said his campaign will also focus on ways to help middle- and low-income families and "restoring the traditional role of Congress" by checking the growth of presidential authority since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Lots to cheer today.



Ol' McDonnel is doin (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Ol' McDonnel is doing a live blog at
http://www.vaconservative.com/


Awesome! We now have (mike20169 - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Awesome! We now have maybe 8 Republican seats 'in play' to various degrees: DeWine, Burns, Chafee, Kyl, Santorum, Frist, Talent, and now Allen. Fantastic. What's it going to take to get this of race into the top tier?


This story has gaine (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
This story has gained so much news that it's gone national!

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1594552

James Webb on ABC news, considered a real contender for George Allen!



Lowell is talking in (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Lowell is talking in riddles again!  Oh, the agony and the ecstasy of the situtation.  If Jarding gets hired...we can win this thing.  With the combined brains of Webb and Jarding, we would be unstoppable.  Allen's probably shaking at the thought of it. 


It doesn't say Jardi (flutterbug - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
It doesn't say Jarding has been hired by Webb. They may have talked as friends. I hope Jarding manages the Webb campaign.


Oh yeah, one more th (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Oh yeah, one more thing.  Jim, don't worry...the Webb-site situation appears to be well under control! :)


From the Washington (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
From the Washington Post story...

Steve Jarding, who managed former governor Mark R. Warner's campaign in 2001, said he had met with Webb several times in the past few weeks.

"He's fearless and a tremendously exciting candidate," Jarding said. "I'm unbelievably impressed with him. He's got the perfect profile to run against George Allen."

Jarding said Webb's story -- a decorated Republican veteran turned Democrat -- is compelling enough to help Democrats defeat Allen.

"This is Ronald Reagan's secretary of the Navy saying, 'The Democratic Party is closer to my ideals,' " Jarding said. "This is the genuine, real deal."



Exactly what I was a (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Exactly what I was about to ask, Jim.  If Jarding got on board for this campaign....I may just run down my dormitory halls screaming and jumping in sheer delight.  Again, Webb hasn't even filed the papers yet, so we can't expect him to announce his staff.  But Webb, headed by Jarding, would be the most potent Senate team Allen could ever fear. 

I guess my new mission is to Draft Steve Jarding to beg Webb to let him run the campaign!  Ha!

James Webb for Senate, 2006!



You da man, Josh. A (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
You da man, Josh.  And you, Lee.  And you, Lowell.  In fact, everybody in Virginia raise your glass to these three guys for heading up our draft movement.  Without them, this may not have been possible.

Okay, now that sappy crap is over.  Let's get to winning this thing?  Any idea when Webb will start working on a staff?  Also, make sure you guys keep us updated on where our boy is heading until he gets his own website up.



I am very pleased! (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
I am very pleased!  I am little surprised-this is a great sacrifice for Webb...But I am very pleased!!

  I don't know what my voice did to convince him, but I am guessing my voice along with those others who contacted him directly, via DraftJameswebb.com, etc. had comething to do with it.  A true grassroots effort!!

Thanks James Webb.  Now we have a race.





Yeah, read about tha (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
Yeah, read about that stupid thing.  Who gives a crap about McDonnell?  He's trying to raise support for 2009, but he barely (i say that, even though the recount was bs) won a contest where he had twice the money, and was way up in the beginning.  If it were Deeds vs. McDonnell in 2009, I think it would be quite different.


So many comments, so (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
So many comments, so little time to respond!! :)

First, thanks to everyone for the congratulations.  I appreciate it, but as Howard Park points out, now the hard work really begins.  Webb will need everyone's help if we want him to defeat that fake cowboy, corrupt chickehawk named George Allen.  Let's do it!!!

Second, I know everyone is curious about Webb's positions on the issues.  I don't mean to speak in riddles, but I will have to let the candidate speak for himself.  All I can say is that I am very comfortable with him, as are Josh, Lee, and the others - Corey, Rob, Tony, etc. - who have been helping on the "draft."  Over the next few weeks, I fully expect that you will see why we have been so enthusiastic.

Finally, I agree with Conaway Haskins, who writes of the Webb candidacy's "Ramifications Beyond Virginia."  Conaway points out that the "growing power of Internet-based movements to influence political variables and even candidates...could become difference-makers in the South, a region without hegemonic traditional media outlets."  And Conaway concludes with this fascinating paragraph:

what could be the most fascinating aspect of the Webb candidacy is its potential to shift the racial politics of the former states of the Confederacy. In a 2004 Wall Street Journal article, Webb posited a politically-potent theory about uniting the South’s two major cultural groups. He says, "in fact the greatest realignment in modern politics would take place rather quickly if the right national leader found a way to bring the Scots-Irish and African Americans to the same table, and so to redefine a formula that has consciously set them apart for the past two centuries."

Getting excited yet?  I know I am! Go Webb!!



I am pleased because (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:32:15 PM)
I am pleased because I think that whomever emerges from the Democratic primary will be stronger for it, have more press attention and name recognition, and will ultimately make a stronger, much stronger challenge against Allen.

I have heard Miller speak in person and was impressed with HOW he conducted himself, but not all that impressed with WHAT he had to say.

I hope he and Webb engage with total respect for each other, and keep it fair and issue-oriented.  There's no place in our party primary for personal tear-downs or falsehoods.  Let's leave that for the GOP.



The funny thing is I (JC - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
The funny thing is I've never heard a single conservative attack Miller.  An attack from a conservative is like a love letter for a Democrat.

Webb has them worried!!!



Doug: Yeah, even as (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
Doug:  Yeah, even as "dumb" as "Dumb" is, he should be worried about James Webb.  But if the best argument the anti-Webb forces can muster is that he's a "neo-con," they are in big, big trouble.  Pathetic.

By the way, Dumb has been banned for trolling. I'll leave his commment up, though, so people can see what we're dealing with here...



Webb != neoconservat (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
Webb != neoconservative.

Lowell you should be flattered that Dumby is going after you with falsehoods.  You've got someone worried!

Such hostility!



Rudeness from anonym (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
Rudeness from anonymous voices is cowardess and has no place here.

Liberty means viewpoints that don't match yours. 



Lowell, I cannot (Dumb Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
Lowell,

I cannot wait for Webb to show the public his antisocial, bridge-burning, odd personality.  He has you fooled.

I give Webb 90 days.  Hackett will lose his primary, and so will Webb.

Oh, and you are a fool for supporting a neoconservative (AEI) as a "democrat." 

Moron.



Yeah, it's a great f (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:18 PM)
Yeah, it's a great feeling.  Let them keep underestimating Webb.  That way Allen and his team won't be prepared for him when he comes.


Lowell, Scott Cou (ScottCoDemocrat - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Lowell,

Scott County and Gate City have a lot more to offer than the Kilgores.

We have 6 Democratic members out of 7 on the Board of Supervisors, the 8th wonder of the world (Natural Tunnel State Park) and a very active and growing Democratic base.

A good Democrat can persuade Scott County voters.  Rick Boucher has carried every precinct in the county for the last 3 congressional elections. Please ask Mr. Webb to contact us.  I'm already getting calls from Mr. Miller.  And let's face it both are largely unknown quantities in SWVA.



I really like the so (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
I really like the sound of

Minority Senate Republicans



Let's all keep three (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Let's all keep three very powerful words in mind while we work our asses off this year to put James Webb in the US Senate:

Majority Leader Reid.



"Gate City, huh? And (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
"Gate City, huh? And here I thought I’d never think of that place as anything other than the home of Willie Mae, Jerry, and Terry Kilgore! Will wonders never cease?"

SWVA may be the Republican Hot Bed of VA, but there is a strong group of determined Democrats here and I am going to push Hard for Mr. Webb. A lot of work to be done but this could be an opportunity to make SWVA a little Bluer.



Looks like the RW is (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Looks like the RW is already nervous about Webb.  I'm sure he'll have his battle gear on, though.  He'll need it.
Thanks heavens he is running--and that he is getting support from some pretty well-connected Dem politicos. 
Go Webb!


Sean: Webb is havin (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Sean:  Webb is having surgery on his hand today and will be out of action for a few days.  I'm glad to hear that Webb is getting this taken care of now, because he'll need to be in tip-top boxing shape for the slugfest against Ollie...er, George Allen over the next 9 months.

By the way, if you met Webb, I strongly doubt you would think he had a "weird personality."  After meeting with im for 5 hours total, I can report that he is friendly, down-to-earth, smart, thoughtful, and not stuffy at all.  In other words, he's a great guy with whom you'd definitely want to have a beer, shoot some pool, and talk about Jacksonian Democracy vs. Teddy Roosevelt Progressivism.  Not necessarily in that order. :)



Oddly enough, I have (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Oddly enough, I have heard some stories about Webb's weird personality.  Apparently hes refused a request for him to speak on Saturday at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.

Then again, maybe the man has other plans. 

Either way, I don't care if he's got the personality of Dick Cheney.  So long as he gives us a good shot to get rid of Allen, I'm happy. 



Now we are talking. (Roy Lawson - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Now we are talking.  I simply couldn't stand to see Harris Miller on the Democratic ticket.  His past in my view is a disqualification.

I am glad that James Webb decided to fight what will be a hard fight.  Miller has no chance against Webb, but even having him on the ticket is bad for Democrats.  He does not share Democratic ideals and would try and hijack the party with his support of offshoring and temporary guest workers (cheap labor) program.

I am not against immigrants or global trade.  There are ways to fix the H1-B program that will prevent Americans from being displaced and foreign workers from being abused - both of which currently occur.

There are things you can do that aren't overly "protectionist" that can help keep jobs in the USA while not harming global trade.  I hope James Webb will at least listen to our side and hear us out, so that he knows what he is up against in the form of Harris Miller.



Oh, seriously dude! (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Oh, seriously dude!  Miller guys are pissed because Webb announces his candidacy and it goes international (it was in the Austrailian news, as Allen is supposed to be "The Republican Front-runner for 2008" or something), with people considering Webb to be a stronger candidate.  And Allen guys are terrified, because they know they're in for a tough campaign.  Look at Virginia Centrist.  He thinks there is a shot!


Josh, what is so pow (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:32:19 PM)
Josh, what is so powerful about that?  A bit of a yawner if you ask me!  I mean that it'd be Reid, not that we'd have the majority.  That is the exciting part.


The site looks great (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
The site looks great, guys.  I agree with Matt, we CAN win this thing, but we've got a lot of money to raise and a lot of message to get out.  We also have a primary challenger.  Let's get to work.


Lowell didn't you do (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Lowell didn't you do an RK interview with Mr. Webb a while back? if so can you post a link to it for me.


Any chance that migh (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Any chance that might happen?


Adam: Always a chanc (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Adam: Always a chance, but I haven't asked yet...


Any ideas how to get (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Any ideas how to get Webb's sites at the top of the list when people Google "James Webb" or "Senate Virginia" etc. ????


Gools: Aside from G (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Gools:
Aside from Google Bombing, which is probably a bad idea, I don't know.


What is Google Bombi (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
What is Google Bombing?


A Google Bomb is a c (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
A Google Bomb is a certain attempt to influence the ranking of a given page in results returned by the Google search engine. Due to the way that Google's PageRank algorithm works, a page will be ranked higher if the sites that link to that page all use consistent anchor text. A Google bomb is created if a large number of sites link to the page in this manner.  Basically, the more we link to the site in anchor text, the higher we go on the Google list (it works the same with Yahoo and other search engines, too.) 

What's wrong with this?  Most of the time, nothing.  I know the YD's at Virginia Tech Google Bombed to make sure that a bunch of sites like "The Real Jerry Kilgore" were put higher on the Google list.  You know when you type in "Miserable failure" in google and you search, you get George W. Bush's biography?  Google bombing is responsible for that (Republican retaliators tried to do the same thing with Michael Moore and Jimmy Carter, but there aren't enough.  And it's just not funny the second time around).  But Raising Kaine has direct connection to the Webb movement, and having our own guys do something with that kind of reputation might be kind of sketch.

Do it for fun all you want, but let's not officially connect RK or Webb with that kind of stuff, eh?



The more each of us (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
The more each of us bloggers put links to webbforsenate.com on our homepages, the quicker the site will rise in the rankings.

There's nothing wrong with putting a link on your homepage.



Adam: No, I haven't (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:20 PM)
Adam: No, I haven't done an on-the-record interview with James Webb.  I have met with him, and I have met with Harris Miller, but all "off the record."


ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. (Kaye - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.  Why haven't they applied for citizenship before now?????


Raising Kaine wrote: (TrvlnMn - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Raising Kaine wrote:

Students should not be punished because their parents entered this country illegally.

Well technically unless the students were born in the United States, they themselves entered illegally in violation of the law. Though I will concede that as minors their parents are more responsible for that violation of law than the child, and as such the responsiblity for any hardships should be placed squarely at the feet of their parents.

I am not at all in favor of rewarding those who break the law, and allowing in state tuition for illegals creates an incentive for those already here and those considering breaking our laws to come here, to continue to do so.

Additionally there are issues regarding the availablity of financial aid that I have not heard addressed.

For example, two equally qualified students, both are immigrants from mexico, one is here legally and one is illegal. Who gets the grant or scholarship aid? and who gets stuck with college loans and work study?

Don't we have a responsiblity first to those poor and working class who are here legally?

I wouldn't mind this more lenient approach to the issues of illegal immigration (or even a guest worker program) if something substantial were being done to encourage and/or facilitate the badly need reforms in mexican government that would enable their people to earn a living their.

Raising Kaine wrote:

I ask you, how much more are you willing to pay for just about everything - food, landscaping services, childcare - than you were previousl? How willing are you to see important sectors of our economy grind to a screeching halt?

No individual worker benefits from the suppressed wages that illegal immigrant labor causes. The higher wages everyone would be earning would offset any increases in the prices of various goods and services. Our economy would not grind to a halt.

Raising Kaine wrote:

Sen. Hanger has had a change of heart - ENCOURAGING illegal immigrants to seeks U.S. citizenship and to integrate into the great U.S. “melting pot” instead of bashing them and their kids.

Outside of allowing them to gain further education how does this facilitate U.S. citizen ship? Currently there is no way for someone here illegally to apply for U.S. citizenship. The simple fact that they are here illegally automatically disqualifies them from citizenship. 

Even if they do graduate from college what sort of jobs can they get? They have no documentation, no right to work papers.  So now what have you done?

You've graduated an highly skilled illegal immigrant with no right to work documentation who might end up competing with you for a high skill high wage job, and by the simple fact that if an employer were willing to hire them, they wouldn't have to pay them what they'd have to pay someone who was here legally. So since they would be paying them less that would directly contribute to your high skilled high wage job paying you less.

Now what do you do?



Oh, by the way, for (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Oh, by the way, for all you "ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL" moralists out there, I take it you have never violated any of the thousands of laws on the books, right?  Never cheated on your taxes, even a bit?  Never drove after having a glass of wine or beer?  Never did any illegal drugs.  Uh huh.  And I take it that all of your ancestors immigrated to America legally, right?  Just checking, since as we all know, "ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL."


Now, if only such co (David - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Now, if only such common sense had prevailed on the so-called "marriage amendment."

On the other hand, those who are bound and determined to use this divisive non-issue as a partisan wedge have handed us all the material we need to expose their cynicism, dishonesty and cruelty for years to come. Way to go, boys and girls!



WRITING IN CAPITAL L (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
WRITING IN CAPITAL LETTERS doesn't constitute an argument. Try again.


I'm married already, (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
I'm married already, just was thinking that some of these sisters/cousins might be good matches for a few right-wing Republicans in the Virginia GA who need an attitude adjustment! :)


Yes, but they're bot (Hanger's son - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Yes, but they're both married. Sorry friend. I'll see if she has any available cousins for you. :)


"Hanger's son": Tha (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
"Hanger's son":  Thanks very much for your comments.  I just hope some of your father's more extreme right-wing colleagues learn something from this situation. Hey, does your fiancée have any sisters? Ha ha. :)


My fiancée isn't ill (Hanger's son - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
My fiancée isn't illegal. I just thought I would point that out so I don't get in trouble :) That being said...she is an immigrant. She came here legally at the age of 12 with her folks. However, had she been brought here illegally...I would like to hope she wouldn't be cursed to a life-long lack of opportunity as a result of a decision she was never able to make for herself.

It's certainly a tough issue for people from both sides of the debate. I enjoyed reading all of your posts.



Luis: Thanks very m (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Luis:  Thanks very much for this comment, it's very interesting and edifying.  Hopefully, all the xenophobes and ignorant people out there will listen to what you're saying here, because it's powerful stuff.  Come write for Raising Kaine anytime! :)

Lowell



I would like to clar (Luis Parada - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
I would like to clarify some common misunderstandings that I see reflected in the comments before mine.  I am an attorney, an immigrant who is now a US citizen, and someone who has met many immigrant high school students who have been affected by the exclusionary policies of some Virginia colleges that have been denying them outright admission or in-state tuition for years even in the absence of any state law that mandates it.

1)  Many of these students and their families have already applied to legalize their status, but some applications have taken as long as 14 years to be processed and resolved.  See the example of Brian Marroquin published by the Washington Post on September 25, 2004.  Brian even had a valid work permit and was denied admission by two Virginia public universities, at the urging of then-Attorney General Jerry Kilgore. 

Most immigrants now waiting in line would love having to wait for only one year.

2)  Virginia colleges and universities don't understand the complexities of immigration law and have wrongfully denied admission or in-state tuition to many immigrants who are lawfully present in the United States.  They don't understand that it is possible to be in the United States lawfully even without a visa (for example, having been granted asylum, or Temporary Protected Status, or by having properly filed an application for adjustment of status).

3) The bill that was adopted by the Senate Education Committee requires that the student or their families have paid taxes in Virginia for at least three years.  This is three times the period required from everyone else.  If these kids and their families are Virginia taxpayers, why shouldn't they enjoy the benefits designed for Virginia taxpayers?

4)  Finally, having seen the devastation of civil war in El Salvador, where I served in the Army for several years in the 1980's, I do not blame the parents who decided to save their lives and the lives of their children by coming to the United States.  But regardless of how one feels about the parents, I don't see how anyone can blame their children for that decision.

Luis Parada



My Mother entered th (Child of LEGAL Immigrant - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
My Mother entered this country LEGALLY, in 1968, from Britain. Why should she have to go through a year-long application process, background check, and have a job waiting for her before she's allowed entry when others can just waltz on in and do as they please? Yes, they should all be shipped home if they are here illegally. I don't care that they have attended schools here - I don't see how they could since they aren't citizens. We don't guarantee education to non-citizens so why are they allowed to attend schools? They shouldn't have any rights whatsoever. If I go to another country illegally, I am nothing and will receive nothing. Why is it that Americans are supposed to accept this without question? And I would really like to know just how many illegal aliens actually pay taxes...that's a joke.


Kaye: It is appare (Janice - 4/4/2006 11:32:21 PM)
Kaye:
It is apparent from your statement that you know almost nothing about immigration law. 

Question: "Why haven't they applied for citizenship before now?"

Answer: Before an alien can apply for naturalization, to become a U.S. citizen, the alien must first be a Legal Permanent Resident.  And for an alien to become a Legal Premanent Resident, there must be a mechanism in immigration law that will allow him/her to apply to achieve the LPR status. Unfortunately for the vast majority of undocumented or as uninformed people often call them, "illegal" aliens, there is no mechanism they can use, no form they can file that will allow them to take the first step towards becoming a Legal Permanent Residence, much less a USC.  Therefore, citizenship is not so much as a blip on their radar scopes.  So, when you say an alien is "illegal" and then ask why that "illegal alien" has not filed for citizenship, you display a total ignorance of the subject matter.  Couple that stupidity  with your profound "illegal is illegal" remark, you now simply look like a clown. 

Perhaps in the future, you will research your topic before voicing,)or as is in this case) posting illadvised comments. 



The party is what on (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:22 PM)
The party is what one makes of it.  If you join it, you are the party and the party is you.  You help define it.

I have long looked at American politics as a system containing only one organized monolythic party, the GOP.  Then there is everyone else...the democrats.  So the dems are a big tent indeed.

My whole adult life I have shied away from party label and yet with Bush et al. defining the GOP, and people like Warner, Kaine, Deeds, and Webb defining the party in VA.  I think I may find a place under this broadening umbrella.



This is the right tr (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:22 PM)
This is the right track.

The right track back for the Democratic party and the Right Track Back for America.

We've had 5 years of religious extremism, Fanatical Imperial Presidential power, a cowtowed press, coercive ignorance, and cronyist greet.  What's it gotten us?  Worldwide Violent Extremism, perpetual war, the end of the social contract in America, and a New Heredetary Aristocracy in America.

yes... that's right in AMERICA.

Freedom-loving Americans of all stripes know that it is time to return to American Greatness.  How?  American politics must change.  As the intransigence of every bushist position exposes, the Republican party is INCAPABLE OF UNDERGOING THE CRITICAL CHANGE NECESSARY TO REGAIN AMERICAN GREATNESS FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THE WORLD.

This can only happen through the Democratic party, because the Democrats are the only ones capable of taking a good long hard look at themselves and making the change necessary.

For Commonwealth and Country, James Webb will show us the way.



Webb has a way of ch (JC - 4/4/2006 11:32:22 PM)
Webb has a way of changing hearts.  Give the guy a chance to change his mind.  The party of Webb, Wanrer and Wes is really the Big Tent party.  Some other Democratic politicians have a hard time speaking to the middle.  Webb will speak to what Warner calls the "Sensible Center," and they'll listen to his message about freedom, security, justice and integrity.

Spread Webb's message and hearts will change.



I'm all for a big te (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:22 PM)
I'm all for a big tent party.  Without it, I'd get kicked the hell out!  I'm a very moderate Democrat (I consider myself Progressive in the Teddy Roosevelt style), and if the party was solely about Howard, Teddy, and Hillary, I'd have no place to go! 
Look, I'll be honest.  I don't know too much about the party on the national level.  All I know is that I love the Commonwealth with all my heart, and I truly believe that the Democratic Party is the best thing for it.  If one party can include candidates as different as Deeds and Byrne in the same year, you know we're doing something right.  But I think people are forgetting the other message this guy sends us: Webb attracts people from all walks of life.  If Webb "the person" can get the support of a Texas Republican, don't you think he can get a Moderate Virginia Republican's as Webb "the Democrat"?  Dan, I think we can't say "screw that guy" to anybody.  Not in with such a powerful opponent ahead of us.  I think to win this race, we're going to have to let people know that while Webb is a Democrat, he doesn't answer to Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton.  We have to look men like this guy in the eye and say "Senator Webb will only answer to Virginia."  Then we make them believe that just as strongly as I do.  That's how we win this campaign, my friends.


Does Kellam have a w (AlecBGreen - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
Does Kellam have a website yet? Ive been looking but I havent found one.

On that note, I am keeping the Virginia section of Campaign Underground (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1733) up to date and I need websites for the following people. Let me know if you can help.

-Harris Miller (Senate)
-Shawn O'Donnell (1st district)
-Carl Stephen Wolfe II (1st)
-Bern Ewert (5th)

I also see that we have no Dems running against Forbes (4th), Goodlatte (6th), and Cantor (7th). Is this correct? Thanks for your help!

-Alec



Kellam's website is (tidewater_roots - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
Kellam's website is now up and functioning. Be sure to checkout the VA Pilot article on the Cheney fundraising event for Drake (incorporated into the site here: http://www.kellamforcongress.com./passing/pass.cfm?section=press&id=19


I know Miller's is w (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
I know Miller's is www.miller2006.org

As for Kellam, expect a website soon.  If you're really impatient, you can go to www.repk.com, which was his web page for his latest re-election to Commisioner of the Revenue at the Beach (the GOP was too afraid to run somebody against him and give him any publicity).  Again, the site really only deals with Commisioner stuff, but it may help you get a feel for the guy.



Just out of curiosit (Joby - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
Just out of curiosity, how did the State Central Committee vote regarding the method for selecting a candidate to defeat Allen? Is is going to be with a convention or a primary?


So Ashe is really ou (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
So Ashe is really out, Eileen?  What's this new job thing, then?

Well now that Ashe is out of the Second District, we all need to support Phil Kellam in his quest to take out that hack Thelma Drake.  Kellam for Congress!  Webb for Senate!



Thanks to Eileen for (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
Thanks to Eileen for the "hat tip," by the way!!


I'm a Phil Kellam gu (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
I'm a Phil Kellam guy myself, simply because he's got a better shot to win against Thelma Drake, especially in Webb is the Senate nominee.  Kellam is part of the oldest Democratic families in Virginia, and has constantly been elected as a Democrat in elections were Republicans dominate the beach.  Don't get me wrong, Ashe is a great guy, but as a Virginia Beach Democrat I can honestly say that Phil Kellam is the only real shot at winning. 

I don't know if Ashe is dropping out, but it would seem logical, I guess.  If there's a primary, he'll have A LOT less money than Kellam (check the FEC website).  If it's a convention...well, a lot of the powers that be in VA Beach want Kellam to run, so there's little chance for victory there.

I like Ashe, but winning comes first.  Plus, Phil is a classical Centrist Democrat, just the kind of Democrat that the 2nd District likes to put in office (a la Owen Pickett).  Kellam for Congress!



Its too bad that Ash (tidewater_roots - 4/4/2006 11:32:31 PM)
Its too bad that Ashe had to drop out, but I had my worries that even in a Dem Tsunami year of his besting Drake. I agree with the comments that Kellam is emminently well suited to take this district. I noticed that Ashe is listed as an endorsement on Kellam's Commissioner of Rev campaign 2005 website.
District 2 - details 
Kilgore:
64,955
46.79%
Kaine
69,153
49.81%
Potts
4,559
3.28%
This District will surprise many naysayers come November.


Why not do one bette (John Hudson - 4/4/2006 11:32:38 PM)
Why not do one better than the race for AG.
Follow the money trail with Mark Warner/Tim
Kane with the state fair(not part of Gov.)getting a 17million dollar drive way from state tax payers. State fair greased a lot of
Pac's to get tax payers to foot the bill for
a private company that does not pay taxes.


Great catch on that (Waldo Jaquith - 4/4/2006 11:32:38 PM)
Great catch on that Dotterlydon address, Lowell.  This is precisely the sort of information that will be really helpful in unraveling the source of these contributions.


Whose the crybaby no (Christian McFee - 4/4/2006 11:32:43 PM)
Whose the crybaby now? Why don't you post that stupid baby picture up right now and slap the name of Governor Kaine under it? The only really bad thing here is that Leighty did not go down with LeBlanc.


Andy, Great kicko (Peggy Kugler - 4/4/2006 11:32:45 PM)
Andy,
  Great kickoff.  Don't sell yourself short.  I think there were closer to 400 people there.
  Peggy


Yeah Andy! He was o (vic silverfish - 4/4/2006 11:32:45 PM)
Yeah Andy!  He was on fire!!!  It's nice to see a Democrat with some mettle for a change.

If he can maintain the energy and discipline he will be "under the dome" in November!

/vic



This guy sounds good (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:32:45 PM)
This guy sounds good--I especially like his take on needing campaign finance reform.  This issue is a winner for Dems, if they would realize it.


Andy Hurst threw a s (David Itkin - 4/4/2006 11:32:45 PM)
Andy Hurst threw a spectacular campaign kick-off party last night. Progressive Virginians owe it to themselves to check out Hurst’s candidacy. He’s the real deal.

Talk him up, volunteer in his campaign, make a contribution.

Andy Hurst. Something Different. Something Better.

www.hurstforcongress.com



The one part of this (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:32:46 PM)
The one part of this I've read about (I believe it's part of it although I'm not sure since I don't know any specifics) is the extra sales tax on gas.  Is it correct that this tax will be refunded to those who collect receipts and submit to....here's the bizarre part....the DMV!!????  WTF?

This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.  What, people who use roads but are anal enough to have the time and determination to submit receipts to DMV for their $75 check shouldn't share the burden of paying for the roads?  This makes no sense!

The original revenue streams proposed that included extra fees on insurance and registration, as well as increased car sales tax and "bad driver fees" made MUCH more sense, and are not obfuscated by some ridiculous proposal to allow certain people to get a rebate.  Who thinks up this garbage?

Keep it simple, stupid!



Tom Davis and Frank (PM - 4/4/2006 11:32:46 PM)
Tom Davis and Frank Wolf are always costing the locals money though.  Both voted for the Republican tax plan, which avoided dealing with the Alternative Minimum Tax problem.  The AMT has long needed fixing, and the Democratic tax package put in indexing, but the GOP defeated it.  The AMT was supposed to be a device to ensure the rich paid some taxes, even if they came up with scads of deductions.  Now because of inflation -- and especially in this area where lots of people are part of a fairly high two income family --  (the income is high, not the family . . . hopefully)  people are getting pounded by the AMT.  These guys are hurting their main constituents -- high income Northern Virginians, who apparently are too politically dumb to take notice.  (Oh, yes, aren't our congressmen wonderful -- they keep getting raises for federal workers that barely keep up with inflation  before taxes.)


What they need to do (Charles Siler - 4/4/2006 11:32:47 PM)
What they need to do is cut all funding for wasteful programs like public health care, education, wic programs, etc., and use that money to pay for infrastructure that actually benefits the economic growth of the area, like transportation. Then there would be more money for the roads and the Metro, and taxes could be cut.


Dueling would be an (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:48 PM)
Dueling would be an exceptional method of natural selection for letting some of the morons get rid of themselves!!  (Just kidding.)

RE: The posting above.  I wonder...since many parking lots are private property (many are) it would seem to me that the gun possesion rules would be dictated by the owner of the lot...(If you believe in sanctity of private property).  "A man's home (property) is his castle," right?  I seem to recall at least from movies and history books that bars/saloons have frequently banned guns entering a premises. Does not the same hold true today?

As far as the cop's death.  A freak tragedy!!  (During my gun training it was hammered home not to leave guns lying around loaded. Never leave guns loaded!!! This death was caused by an improperly stored (i.e. loaded) firearm. Thus, the gun owner was at fault and responsible not the gun. (I would imagine manslaughter charges will be braught.)

....I certainly never leave my guns loaded!! 



Dueling would be an (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:32:48 PM)
Dueling would be an exceptional method of natural selection for letting some of the morons get rid of themselves!!  (Just kidding.)

RE: he posting above.  I wonder...since many parking lots are private property (many are) it would seem to me that the gun possesion rules would be dictated by the owner of the lot...(if you believe in sanctity of private property .  "A man's home (property) is his castle," right?  I seem to recall at least from movies and history books that bars/saloons have frequently banned guns entering a premises. Does not the same hold true today?

As far as the cop's death.  A freak tragedy!!  (During my gun training it was hammered home not to leave guns lying around loaded. Never leave guns loaded!!! This death was caused by an improperly stored (i.e. loaded) firearm. Thus, the gun owner was at fault and responsible not the gun. (I would imagine manslaughter charges will be braught.)

....I certainly never leave my guns loaded!! 



I am sure Delegate R (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:32:48 PM)
I am sure Delegate Reid will vote for the bill... wasn't he the one who shot his kevlar vest in his office in the General Assembly Office Building??  Back in the mid-19th century there used to be physical fights on the floor of the US House, and duels were common although illegal. 

I fully expect these pseudo-macho airheads to re-institute dueling so we can all enjoy the romantic Old West right here at home. Makes sense when you have a wannabe John Wayne in the Oval office, and a Ready-Fire-Aim Vice-president in his undisclosed location.



Lowell, From my (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Lowell,

From my calculations, the Webb campaign has only 4 months to do serious campaigning (that is if Webb wins the primary), and that's not a whole lot of time. He has to roll the ball soon.

Oh, and what can out-of-state people like me do to help, apart from sending financial support? Any suggestions? 



Two weeks after I go (ASRacer - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Two weeks after I got my concealed carry permit, I was confronted by a hispanic man with a machete.  I was in an industrial zone after hours, securing a vehicle that I was towing back home after having work done on it.  My cell phone was dead, and in my truck and getting to it would have required that I go towards the man.  As it was after hours on a Thursday, there was nobody around.

This guy begins swinging the machete around and deliberately trying to get my attention.  He'd strike it on the ground after flailing it a bit and then look over at me. He did this some 5 or 6 times.  I "ignored" him, but kept a sharp eye on him.  He was drunk, or high, or something.

I kept watch over him and thankfully I had my H&K USP .40 caliber on me.  Fortunately I did not have to use my weapon, but I was glad I had it with me and have carried it faithfully ever since.

I'd rather have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it.



sorry for the duplic (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
sorry for the duplicate. I hit the button a second time since the first post didn't show up.

I'm new here. I also signed up for the draftsite as Neo.

I'm just excited about James Webb and would be very happy to help in any way I can.



Lowell, From my (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Lowell,

From my calculations, the Webb campaign has only 4 months to do serious campaigning (that is if Webb wins the primary), and that's not a whole lot. He has to roll the ball soon.

Oh, and what can out-of-state people like me do to help, apart from sending financial support? Any suggestions? 



Brianna: Yeah, we'r (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Brianna:  Yeah, we're all anxious to see Webb get going. ON the other hand, we want him to do it "right" - professional, organized, disciplined, etc.  Believe me, I'm as impatient and "chomping at the bit" as anyone, but something tells me there will be PLENTY to get excited about over the next few months.  Also, keep in mind that we heard almost nothing from Harris Miller for a couple of weeks after he registered his candidacy.  These things take a bit of time...for better or for worse.  Meanwhile, let's all do what we can at the "grassroots" level, starting with petition signatures.  Thanks.


John, give Webb some (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
John, give Webb some time to campaign. I'm 100 percent positive he would put all your lingering questions or doubts about his candidacy to rest.

Hopefully, we will hear something from his campaign this week.

 



I'm still confused b (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
I'm still confused by the whole excitement for Webb.  The guy hates Bill Clinton, is a critic about Kerry protesting the Vietnam war, supports Don't Ask/Don't Tell, loves the confederacy, was harsh on Chuck Robb for not supporting the "Star Wars" missle defense system(?!?!?) and frankly his whole talk of getting the scot-irish/redneck vote scares the hell out of me.  He's said himself that they are "family oriented and fiercly oppose gun control."

Are you guys sure you want this guy representing you in the Senate?



John, is that really (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
John, is that really you Alice Marshall ... hehehehe (the avowed Webb dismisser). We are working on you Alice, and will bring you 'home'.

John, Jim Webb is his own man. He doesn't have to be Paul Hackett to impress anyone.

About Webb being a Democrat now, tell me, why would anyone looking at the Republican agenda this decade or so be proud of being called a Republican? Personally, I would be ashamed.

We welcome every candidate with a conscience and love for this country into the Democratic Party, whether they're new, old, born-again, saw-the-light, you name it.



I too wish the Webb (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
I too wish the Webb campaign would be a little more forthcoming. I know its early, but frankly the campaign started late, so its important to keep the momentum going real early. Keep your base in the know.

 



Any word on what Web (brianna - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Any word on what Webb is planning this week? Official campaign rollout?

Yeah, I'm impatient and I'm growing frustrated a bit. If the Webb campaign wants to keep people excited about his candidacy, why not give some hints here and there of his plans - at least keep your supporters updated through the campaign website, but we get ZIP. Nadda.

Something tangible needs to be seen this week. And for you insiders, let the Webb campaign folks know we are ready to work hard for him, but we need to know what's going. The absolute silence doesn't help.



Cool, when you sign (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Cool, when you sign in, maybe you can say who you are and what you'd like to do to help ELECT JAMES WEBB.  Thanks.


I joined the yahoo g (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
I joined the yahoo group--had previously signed up on the Webb site--let's go get "em!!


Lexis-Nexis. Search (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
Lexis-Nexis.  Search his name for the last ten years.  You'll find some interesting and scary stuff.  I would like to hear this guy's stances on social issues and soon.


I used to be VERY an (ASRacer - 4/4/2006 11:32:49 PM)
I used to be VERY anti-gun.  In fact for nearly 30 years I was that way.  Then I decided I'd learn to use a gun.  So I took lessons and finally bought my first hand gun in 2003.  I realized several things after learning about guns.

1) Gun laws will only affect those willing to abide by them.  Criminals don't follow laws (that's why they're criminals) so making new gun laws only restricts those who are already law-abiding citizens.

2) Most people seem to have the mistaken idea that the police will come and save them.  The reality is that the courts have upheld that the police have no obligation to come to your aid and are not liable in cases where "911" was called and nobody showed up.  The courts have upheld that the police's job is to protect teh community as a whole; however, individual security rests with the person.

3) The thing that criminals fear more than the police are armed would-be victims.

4) Cars kill more people every DAY than guns, yet nobody is crying for better driver education in this country, which would save more lives than getting rid of every gun in America.

5) It requires a fairly substantial amount of checking to be able to get a gun in VA, (private sales excluded), so those with restraining orders, history of mental illness, felonies, domestic violence convictions and accusations, cannot even possess a gun, let alone buy one.

Restricting people's ability to have a gun in their car so they may protect themselves to and from work is just plain ignorant.



Stan K: First, I su (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Stan K:  First, I sure hope you're not affiliated in any way with the Miller campaign, because your tone is aggressive, confrontational, and obnoxious. Or perhaps you're an Allen supporter?

By the way, we did very well today at the parade - many petition signatures and lots of positive feedback on a Webb candidacy.  Sure, people want to know more about him, but that's just because they find him intriguing and because they see him as the only possible hope of defeating George Allen.



Hey Lowell and the r (Stan K. - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Hey Lowell and the rest of you Webb lovers:

How was the Parade?  Was Webb there?  No?  Why?

I heard Harris Miller was there.  Harris spoke with lots of folks, I heard.

So where was Webb?  Has there been a Webb sighting recently?  Do we need to send a search party?



Matt, You wrote, (Bill Felmlee - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Matt,

You wrote, "I believe that by saying I was an American first, a Virginian second, and a Democrat third, I was trying to indicate this was exactly the same stance James Webb takes. I think there are dozens of reasons a Republican would have become a Democrat over the last six years. I feel fully confident Webb will choose one over the coming days."

Problem is, the public has not ever heard James Webb stating, "American first, a Virginian second, and a Democrat third," let alone state this convincingly. 

And sure, there have been many Republicans and Republican-leaning Americans who recently turned to the Democratic Party.  HOWEVER, given James Webb's 30 year history of partisanship against Democrats and Democratic principles—and then, suddenly, announce to WaPost on a Monday that he is a Democrat and then on the proceeding Thursday file papers with the FEC to register his candidacy as a Democratic candidate for the United States Senate is, well, odd. 

Frankly, if I knew James Webb personally for 10 years, then maybe I would feel better about this issue.  However, Webb’s candidacy as a ‘Democrat’ is too much of a real leap of faith for me to commit to volunteer hours and financial support for a former Republican who became a 'Democrat' on a Monday and a 'Democratic Candidate' on a Thursday.  Again, James Webb has a lot of explaining to do, and convincingly.



Sean, I missed th (Bill Felmlee - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Sean,

I missed that Washington Times article.  Thanks.

I've read it a few times, and I wonder how James Webb will honestly answer to such a statement, given that it was made right after 9-11, our history with the FISA program, and today's issue(s) of domestic spying without FISA. 

Mr. Webb:  "What do you think of FISA, and what did you mean when you were interviewed by the Washington Times in October 2001?"

Mr. Webb:  "Do you believe in domestic spying without judicial oversight?"



Sure, an overreachin (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Sure, an overreaching, 4th amendment breaking wire tapping process from within the united states involving peta protestors is perfectly acceptable.


Sean: This is a rat (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Sean:  This is a rather one-sided presentation.  Yes, Webb criticized Kerry for implying that the majority of Vietnam War veterans had committed war atrocities.  Kerry also compared American soldiers in Vietnam to Genghis Khan.  This did not please Webb and many other Vietnam Veterans, to put it mildly.  In August 2004, Webb wrote:

Kerry's leadership of Vietnam Veterans Against the War is not only fair game; it speaks to legitimate issues of loyalty, and his actions at that time are the true core of this dispute.  For most veterans it was not that Kerry was against the war, but that he used his military credentials to denigrate the service of a whole generation of veterans.  The Vietnam Veterans Against the War was a very small, highly radical organization.  Their stories of atrocious conduct, repeated in lurid detail by Kerry before the Congress, represented not the typical experience of the American soldier, but its ugly extreme.  That the articulate, urbane Kerry would validate such allegations helped to make life hell for many Vietnam veterans, for a very long time.

Despite all this, Webb criticized the Swift Boat attacks against Kerry in 2004, saying: "If the young John Kerry were so able to manipulate the Navy's system that he unfairly collected five decorations, the system itself has no credibility, and all awards become meaningless."

Webb also has condemned the "ugly insinuations" "against Senators Max Cleland and John Kerry, and now Mr. Murtha."

As far as the Scots-Irish are concerned, you might want to read Webb's Parade Magazine piece.  Webb analyzes his people, the Scots-Irish, as a complex "study in wild contrasts." For instance:

His legacy is stained because he became the dominant culture in the South, whose economic system was based on slavery.  No matter that the English aristocrats of Tidewater were slavery's originators and principal beneficiaries or that the typical Scots-Irish yeoman had no slaves.

On Bill Clinton, Webb was no fan of Clinton's regarding military matters, probably because Clinton dodged the draft.  On the other hand, Webb writes in his recent article, "Purple Heartbreakers":

The political tactic of playing up the soldiers on the battlefield while tearing down the reputations of veterans who oppose them could eventually cost the Republicans dearly. It may be one reason that a preponderance of the Iraq war veterans who thus far have decided to run for office are doing so as Democrats.

In other words, Webb is consistent in lacking respect for those who denigrate military service or shirk their duty, including both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

As far as "Star Wars" is concerned, I'm not sure where you found that but I'd be curious to know. 

On "Don't Ask/Don't Tell," I don't agree with it personally but it's Bill Clinton's policy and Congress hasn't repealed it in 12 years now.  Also, as far as I can tell, Kerry was for it before he was against it.  At least I think so.  Who knows.

Last point: I believe it's an oversimplification of what Webb has written to say that he "loves the confederacy."  However, like many Americans with ancestors who fought on the side of the South in the Civil War, Webb is proud of their service.  In addition, Webb notes that "In 1860 fewer than five percent of the people in the South owned slaves, and fewer than twenty percent were involved with slavery in any capacity."  Webb's views on this issue are complex, as are those of many Americans, and I recommend that everyone read his speech on the subject in its entirety.

The bottom line is that Webb is a complex and fascinating man, definitely not "politically correct" at times, but someone who I personally find extremely refreshing.  No bullshit or hypocrisy with James Webb, that's for sure; he just lays it out there and lets the chips fall where they may. I admire that, even if I don't agree with him on every single issue. 

Of course, I don't agree with Harris Miller (Bush tax cuts, voter verified audit trails), Tim Kaine (estate tax) or Mark Warner (capital punishment) on every single issue either.  In fact, I STRONGLY disagree with them on several (see above).  But that doesn't prevent me from supporting them over Jerry Kilgore or George Allen.  In this case, James Webb is by far the strongest potential candidate against Allen, and I agree with him on far more than I disagree.  That's enough for me.



The reason I am a De (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
The reason I am a Democrat is because I put America first.  Usually I can depend on Democrats more so than Republicans to do what is right for America.  Meaning, not spying on its citizens. Another intersting quote from Webb I found:

The Washington Times
October 05, 2001, Friday, Final Edition
SECTION: PART A; NATION; INSIDE THE RING; Pg. A9
BYLINE: Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough; THE WASHINGTON TIMES

James Webb, a Vietnam combat veteran and former Navy secretary, has a strategic plan for stopping future terror attacks. It includes reinvigorated spycraft, tough diplomacy and the big stick.

In an interview, Mr. Webb says the first step is to stop looking at terror acts, such as the Sept. 11 catastrophe, as just a crime scene.

"I think we made a grave mistake for more than 20 years in attempting to categorize these sorts of incidents as mere crimes," Mr. Webb says. "Certainly, you can bring criminal actions when you bring people to justice. But these are clearly, from their perspective, acts of war. And they have been since Ayatollah Khomeini took over in Iran. Elements of the Islamic fundamentalist movement have considered themselves to be in a state of war with us."

Mr. Webb's plan of action: "At the end of this, we need two things. One is, we need to have a sophisticated and effective intelligence apparatus reinstituted in this country. I think you can do that without compromising individual liberties. I think really what has happened is we, in many ways, have become paralyzed by a lot of the political-correctness debates and by the movements in the mid-1970s to take apart a lot of our intelligence functioning, domestically and overseas. At the end of this, we need to have an apparatus that is free to do the job it wasn't able to do in this incident.

I mean, come on!!!

Sigh.



Matt, You wrote: (Bill Felmlee - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Matt,

You wrote: "But if your decisions are based on his lack of partisan red meat, then shame on you. You have put the Democratic party dogma ahead of our national interests."

The odd idea of James Webb as a 'Democratic' Senator is not due to a lack of partisan red meat, but rather for episodes of red meat partisanship against Democrats, Democratic leaders, and Democratic leaders in general over the past three decades.  This is an important issue that James Webb should address in full; every Democrat in Virginia should deserve an explanation of why he is "suddenly" a 'Democrat' after years of being a non-Democrat. 

You also wrote: "I am an American first, a Virginian second, and a Democrat third."  Funny, Harris Miller said that EXACT statement last Friday on WTOP.  I know Harris, and I know he will follow this principle.

So I'll respectfully ask you, Matt -- Will James Webb profess the same principle as a Democratic Senatorial candidate, and will he adhere to this principle if elected? 

In other words, will he hold 'Democrat' as third, or will it be 'Republican' or 'non-Democrat' or 'something'?  This is an honest question that James Webb must answer convincingly. 



Yup, those are the s (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Yup, those are the stories that I came across myself. 

In one of those stories about him supporting George Allen, Webb said he was upset that Robb's voting had cancelled out Warners vote in the Senate too many times.  So, I ask again:  Is this the guy you want to work for, vote for and call your senator. 

Right now, I don't.  I would like Webb to start explaining himself. 



Oops, should read: (Bill Felmlee - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Oops, should read:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1431

(with a (-) after 'irc' and before 'online')



Sean Holihan & J (Bill Felmlee - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
Sean Holihan & John,

I have many questions on Webb, too. 

Full disclosure:  In early January, I chose to support and contribute to Harris Miller.  I know Harris to be a kind, intelligent, and descent man.  I am also a Veteran (enlisted and officer), so I respect James Webb.  That said, after searching Lexis-Nexis, EBSCO, and Factiva on Webb, I found some disturbing quotes.  Here is a flavor:

…(Webb) respects (Chuck) Robb's service…"But it really depends on what you do with that service. I look at George McGovern," Webb said, referring to the Democratic candidate who lost to President Nixon in a landslide in 1972. "He won a Distinguished Flying Cross in World War II, and I wouldn't have voted for him if you put a gun to my head."
--From AP article, November 2, 2000, during a press conference with George Allen in Norfolk, VA (Webb endorsed Allen for Senate at this meeting).

And this one:
TAE:  Speaking of the top, what do you think of Bill Clinton? 
Mr. Webb:  I cannot conjure up an ounce of respect for Bill Clinton when it comes to the military.  Every time I see him salute a Marine, it infuriates me.  I don’t even think Bill Clinton cares one iota about what happens in a military unit.
--From the very conservative American Enterprise Institute magazine, March/April 1997 issue. 

By the way, James Webb has had a lot if interaction with the AEI over the years, which is disturbing in itself.  To know more about AEI, go here:  http://rightweb.irconline.org/profile/1431

James Webb is certainly entitled to his opinion, but now that he is a ‘Democrat’, how is he going to explain these quotes (and others) to the long-time Democratic activists who presumably will work on the front lines for him this fall?  And how will we know that James Webb will be a good Democrat in the Senate, respecting the Party’s platform and getting along with the Democratic Senators and Representatives.  The worst thing Virginia needs is to elect a Senator who may inevitably alienate himself from party leadership, thereby possibly hurting all Virginians--regardless of political affiliation. 

James Webb has a lot of explaining to do as a new ‘Democrat’ at the age of 60.  He has spent 40+years of his life a non-Democrat, and he has never made a supportive campaign contribution (at least above $200, as recorded by fec.org) to a national Democratic candidate.  James Webb did not take a position during the campaigns of Tim Kaine or Mark Warner, and has never made a supportive campaign contribution to a Virginian Democratic candidate (according to vpap.org).



No prob. Whats funn (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:32:50 PM)
No prob.  Whats funny is that I don't think many people have.


OT: feature request: (Nell - 4/4/2006 11:32:52 PM)
OT: feature request: When viewing a post in the one-at-a-time, comments-visible view, users would find handy a way to link directly to the previous and next posts.  To have to go back to 'home' and wait for the reload (RK loads very slowly as compared with many other blogs for us dial-uppers) is a real pain, just to get to an adjacent post.

This is not an exotic feature; most blogs have it.  Hope you can make it so.  Thanks for all the great content.



I disagree with the (Dean Settle - 4/4/2006 11:32:52 PM)
I disagree with the author's singular accusation that the Democratic Party suddenly represents a renewed interest in Virginia. What you are seeing is a very large dissatisfaction with the current development-friendly republicans in Loudoun.

There is also a large schism in the Grand Ole Party, as anti-development forces in the party attempt to divorce traditional and moral values from the pro-growth grasp on the party.

The current leadership of the Loudoun County Republican Committee has grasped God in one arm, and developers in the other and decreed that if you cast out one, you need to cast out both.

I support the moral beliefs, but I deal with those at a State level, not a county level. Most of the Republicans who bailed from the party to embrace a Governor and two district representatives here did so because that was the lesser of two evils....with only Mick Staton and Dick Black being worse than putting in two controlled growth advocates from the Democratic side of the aisle.

At two public input meetings before the low density decision for Loudoun, speakers in support of that plan outnumbered speakers for a high density plan in numbers that translated very close to five to one. In more public input since then, the numbers have reflected a very similar pattern.
What this means to any politician in any race that directly has bearing on Loudoun County development is that less of it means you can go to the front of the line, and if you still want to push for high density, and string out hearings on implimentation of it, you can sit this one out.

The curve isn't quite complete yet. Four members of the Loudoun Board of Supervisors are yet to be voted out. Three are definitely out, and one is a wait and see, because he recently voted for the low density development plan after he voted against it. I personally think he wanted to keep his wrench in the works, but his vote towards a low density plan may play well with some who do not realize what he's really after.

Mick Staton has already gotten a taste of what awaits him in that election by losing to Mr. Herring.
Mr. Snow and Mr. Delgaudio will most probably meet similar defeats. Mr. Tullock is still a tossup, because he has switched positions and caused confusion of his stance on the issues.



I am an American who (John Mikhail - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
I am an American who has lived in Dubai and I have been searching for another word to describe Congress' reaction, but I can't; STUPID.

Dubai is the most liberal, modern, city (not country like some congressmen alledge) in the Middle East. This company, nor the government of Dubai has done anything against US security interests. In fact, Dubai is the biggest liberty port in the world for US sailors. Dubai is also the finance center for the Middle East, so to say they have links to 9/11 is like saying Bill Gates has monetary links to Wall Street.

I was most astonished to see that some Congressmen said that this outcry has nothing to do with DP World being an Arab company, 'if any foreign nation bought it we would do this.' These Congressmen are so uninformed that they didn't noticed these ports have been operated by a British Company for years.

Even if none of this was true, no one has shown yet how this company operating these ports would compromise US security. Congress, Democrats and Republicans are using this as a political play. There are no merits to their objections and they are wasting time and money that could be better spent talking about something that actually matters.



I think that, due to (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
I think that, due to bipartisan anger against this move, a veto will be forced.  And, if the Democrats can keep their Republican allies in this battle, they may even be able to override the veto, which would be awesome.  A Republican Congress turning on a Republican President?  Music to my ears.


Dubai IS a shining s (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
Dubai IS a shining star of liberalism, at least for the Middle East, and it's turning itself into a Hong Kong or Singapore in terms of international finance (having just oened a stock exchange there, not to mention that wonderful insdoor ski resort).

Nevertheless, here is globalisation at work, and here is more evidence that the United States, bent on conspicuous consumption and living far beyond its means, has no way to pay for its continued profligate life style but to sell of American assets and otherwise lose control of its own economnic destiny.

Yes, the Dubai consortium, a state-owned concern (STATE-owned? Isn't that, er, socialism?), is buying from a British firm, so it's now second tier globalisation. Remember the Chinese tried to buy Conoco? Wait 'til some Indian outfit buys, say, the New York Stock Exchange. Or the White House. They have to do somethig with all those dollars they've accummulated from America's huge trade deficit, and they desperately want to replace depreciating dollars with real assets. We soon will no longer own our own country.



From sirotablog:
The more you read about the UAE port security scandal, the more it becomes patently obvious this is about far more than just one deal with one company or one country. The harsh reaction from the Bush administration to the proposal to rescind the deal should be a red flag. This administration is unquestionably the most corporate-controlled administration in recent history, meaning its reactions are usually tied directly to the reactions of Corporate America. And the fact that the White House is ignoring its own security experts and reacting so negatively to Congress's opposition to the deal means this cuts to the much deeper issue of global trade policy - an issue that trumps all others for Big Money interests, even post-9/11 security.

Money is all that matters.  Proof positive.  Democrats MUST force this veto.



This issue is BUSH'S (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
This issue is BUSH'S GREATEST LOSER!

Democrats... force this veto!



J. Sarge: Well, nei (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
J. Sarge:  Well, neither party has a monopoly on stupidity, that's for sure. It just seems that the Republican Party these days has more than its fair share! :)


The "droopy drawers" (J. Sarge - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
The "droopy drawers" legislation was proposed by Del. A.T. Howell, a Democrat.


Warner can easily tu (Adam Malle - 4/4/2006 11:32:54 PM)
Warner can easily turn this around and make it a clear example of the "culture of corruption" because the success of his programs has been proven time and time again.


I have to agree that (Q Jordon - 4/4/2006 11:32:55 PM)
I have to agree that this White House is willing to make corporate transactions at any cost. I called it CAACAUS (Capitalism At Any Cost Against the US.

I have to disagree with Ben and his myths about AUE. The AUE has supported terrorist in the past, and they are still in support of them, now.

America's premier expert on Islamic terrorism, Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, recently told MSNBC's Rita Cosby that "Hamas couriers as late as last year ... were sent to the West Bank or Gaza [who] came in with UAE cash. So there is still a problem of terrorist supporting operations."

On July 27, 2005, the Palestinian Information Center carried a public HAMAS statement thanking the UAE for it's "unstinting support." The statement said: "We highly appreciate his highness Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Bin Sultan Al-Nahyan (UAE president) in particular and the UAE people and government in general for their limitless support...that contributed more to consolidating our people's resoluteness in the face of the Israeli occupation".

These are facts that cannot be debunked or ignored. But with this said, I am in favor of the 45 day review and hope that we can allow the AUE/ Dubai Co. to show they are not a supporter of terrorist organizations. Or, otherwise we will have to go back to this President's words on terrorism,
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

I hope the AUE had gone forward, but time will tell.

Q Jordon



How funny is it to s (I.Publius - 4/4/2006 11:32:55 PM)
How funny is it to see jingoism and bigotry coming from self-proclaimed "progressive" (read: leftist) Democrats?

ROFL!!!

Keep it up, guys!



This Isn't About Arabs, it's About Allies

Could There Be More Behind the Port Dispute?, from NPR: "Senior News Analyst Daniel Schorr says the quarrel about port operations is a case of globalization meets xenophobia."

I'm not xenophobic, and I oppose the sale of port management operations to a company from the United Arab Emirates. The question for me is not whether the country involved is from the Middle East, as President Bush mentioned, or whether the company has played by the rules or not....



For a very interesti (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:32:55 PM)
For a very interesting analysis with new information on the Dubai port situation, see http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/19320/9920


Loved the David Igna (F. T. Rea - 4/4/2006 11:32:57 PM)
Loved the David Ignatius piece, too. To me, his unflinching analysis is a bulls-eye.

It reminded me of something I wrote about the act of coveting a few years ago for STYLE Weekly. A link to it is in my last SLANTblog post, "Coveting and Rage."



It is very true. It (Melissa - 4/4/2006 11:32:57 PM)
It is very true. It is also very sad. Having to delete comments on a blog because of thier content, angrily written emails, nasty blog entries... it's all sad. People need to take the time to calm down when they read something upsetting and not just type up something and send it off, forgetting that everything on the Internet is permanent.

What happens then, of course, if these comments don't get deleted, is that someone comments back explaining why the first commenter is a waste of oxygen. Commenter #2 replies again, and it becomes a vicious cycle.

Anyways, great post. It's a good reminder for people to just chill out sometimes.



Did not the Florida (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:33:06 PM)
Did not the Florida sheriffs ride through black neighborhood back in 2000, intimidating potential voters? And did not some Democrats shepherd low income folks (including blacks) to the polls to protect them from such intimidation? Is this our future in Virginia?  This is how you start to have Haiti-like electoral violence, seems to me. 


Teddy, Is this ou (ScottCoDemocrat - 4/4/2006 11:33:06 PM)
Teddy,

Is this our future in Virginia?  It's already happening.  Look at Gate City & Appalachia.  Both of the voting scandals appear to be evolving into law enforcement scandals. And what is the General Assembly doing about it.  Bills to allow the Sheriff and Police chief to do openly what they have been doing for years.
Bribing and intimidating the least among us to vote for their chosen candidates. (or maybe $7 and a bag of pork rinds will do the trick)
Is this the reason that buying votes is still a misdemeanor in Virginia?
As Mr. Branscome, Special Prosecutor in the Gate City case, asked why would someone go to such lengths to win a job that pays $200 a month?  My reply Mr. Branscome, Can you say kickbacks. Politcal Patronage? Jobs to be awarded or lost?
We are in need of massive election reform, but I don't see us getting it from the present bunch in Richmond or D.C.



Virginia's about as (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:07 PM)
Virginia's about as "Blue" as I am a monkey.  I'd consider it more of a Scarlett (that's a reddish purple).  However, if we CAN get Webb in the Senate this year, I'll upgrade it to 100% purple.  Then, if it votes for the Dem in 2008, I'll put it as "slightly blue."

But I love the attitude Josh!



The problem is, both (Willis - 4/4/2006 11:33:07 PM)
The problem is, both Ohio and Florida havebeen engaging in ELECTION FRAUD.

Even winning the states won't be enough.  We have to win by a sizable margin, 4 or 5% at least.



Josh: Until the Hou (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:33:07 PM)
Josh:  Until the House of Delegates is majority Democratic, Virginia ain't blue!  You've got a lot of work ahead of you, my friend, in "turning Virginia blue."

Willis:  True, so let's win by 4%-5% then! :)

Dannyboy:  So, Josh is going to make a monkey out of you in the end? :)



I like any map that (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:07 PM)
I like any map that shows Virginia as a blue state.

Truth is beautiful.



Thanks for recommend (KathyinBlacksburg - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
Thanks for recommending this book.  I've been doing so myself. 

Also, Rabbi Michael Lerner's journal Tikkun is a worth read.  Although I don't subscribe, I pick up a copy faairly often at the newsstand.  You can also check out the website here: http://www.tikkun.org/ Most articles appear here as well.  He has written this  journal to be broadly applicable for progressive people of many faiths. I am a Christian, but have long looked forward to reading commentary by Rabbi Lerner.  And he has an excellent listserv.  I add here that I have had trouble getting my emails from Tikkun because of aggresssive spam blocking by my internet provider(s).  But the website suffices.

 



If you're more the N (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
If you're more the New Testament type, don't overlook the Sojourners:  http://www.sojo.net/.

There needs to be a dialog on values in this nation.  The right is up there all day and all night.  Meanwhile the left is silent.  If you've got a debate and only one podium has an orator, don't blame the crowd for being swayed.

Every Democrat, Liberal, and Progressive in America needs to get comfortable prefacing each and every sentence with the words:  "I believe" or even better "We Strongly Believe."

Get in the game.  The right is raping the world.  You owe it to humanity to take up this fight.



The religious right (PM - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
The religious right (or as I've started calling them, the bedroom right) is going to have a tough time in 2008 if McCain or Giuliani are nominated. 

For those of you seeking to expand your outlook spiritually, I cannot recommend Elaine Pagels highly enough, though she may lead you to conclude (as I did) that a lot of the scriptures are fiction.  She's an award winning prof from Princeton, who once won a McArthur Foundation genius award.

Her most amazing work is Beyond Belief, the Secret Gospel of Thomas.  There's a summary here --

http://southerncrossreview.org/29/pagels.htm

Basically, the early Christian church leaders chose to brand as heretical anything that emphasized salvation through the internal rather than the external, and church leaders ordered the supression and destruction of any other materials. (This is common knowledge among university theologians -- there are quite a few scholars out there who have written about the so-called Gnostic movement and the Nag Hammadi discoveries of many banned texts in the 1940s.)

The discoveries of the ancient texts have given scholars a much different picture of early Christianity.  In short, there were diverse philosophies until intellectual supression set in.

Your local pastor doesn't tell you this stuff because he's interested in peddling a line of orthodoxy, whereas the Gnostics (as I understand them) were advocating thinking for yourself.

The Wash Post religion page this Saturday announced another found text, the Gospel of Judas, is being translated and will be released soon. (No one knows the contents -- speculation is that Judas is seen as an instrument of God, to carry out Biblical prophecy.)

You can also expand your horizons by googling "Bible" and contradictions or inconsistencies.  You'll find lots of compilations of gross errors and inconsistencies in the texts. Not just the primitive science, but, e.g., conflicting stories of many major religious events.  (Paul, for example, couldn't keep his story straight about his conversion.)  Thomas Jefferson realized all this and came up with a much shorter New Testament that excluded the problematic stuff.  A large group of university theologians called The Jesus Seminar has published lots of material on what the consensus view is on what in the New Testament is made up, what Jesus probably or certainly said, and what was fabricated.  Reading Pagels and a few others will enable you to understand why certain fabrications were made.  Briefly, one take is that the church had to make the new religion more attractive because Christ's prediction of the end of the world didn't happen, so they started adding all these popular pagan myths (virgin birth, divinity of the prophet).

For a really well written and humorous Biblical analysis(though tragic from another viewpoint)pick up Mencken's Treatise on the Gods.  80 years ago he was coming to some of the same ocnclusions as the Jesus Seminar scholars.  You can't beat Mencken for sheer power of the language.

Phew. 



Good post, Lowell - (William - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
Good post, Lowell - I have this on the reading list for recovering from the knee surgery.

I couldn't agree more with Josh.
I'm not a religious man at all, but that's not what the debate should be about.
The buzzword is 'values', and the right is smart to link values and religion, and the left accepts this premise at our peril.

I continue to malign the fact that the Democratic Party has allowed the GOP to plant their flag on the lush political soil of values, fiscal responsibility (HA!), and national security, leaving us mumbling incoherently about education and health care (which the right will also steal from us soon - another post).

I despise Karl Rove's politics, but if I were a CEO, he'd be my first interview for Chief Marketing Officer.
The Republican Party in America is a stronger brand than Coke, or Nike.
Everyone knows what they stand for, who they are.

And the three things I mentioned are core to that strategy, despite the fact that these are things that shouldn't be partisan issues, they're just tenets of good government, no matter who's running it.

Lead with integrity and compassion.
Spend the people's money wisely and effectively.
Ensure the safety of your citizenry.

How is it possible that we've allowed the Republican Party to convince American voters that they're the only ones who can do this?

PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'VE FAILED SPECTACULARLY AT ALL THREE????

Come on, Jim Webb.

hahaha



Amen, Brother Kaine. (Mimi Schaeffer - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
Amen, Brother Kaine.

My kind of post.  Politics with religion.



Thanks for the heads (summercat - 4/4/2006 11:33:08 PM)
Thanks for the heads-up.  Will put Lerner's book on my to-read list.  The Democrats do operate under the correct principles of all the great religions--but they need not be afraid to articulate the connection.  Jim Wallis has done some good work here, but perhaps Lerner will have a wider audience.  Dems could also help themselves by being more open on how they live out the principles in community service--which I know many individuals do, but which is not done in an organized way by Democratic groups, on the whole. (Suggestions:  Democratic teams for Relay for Life; contributions to food banks; entertainment at nursing homes, etc.) 


Will Wal-Mart save t (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:13 PM)
Will Wal-Mart save tens of millions of dollars annually as a result of your bill to eliminate tariffs on imports from Sri Lanka?


(1) Who do you like (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:13 PM)
(1) Who do you like better, 50 Cent or Jay-Z?

(2) Also, where were you last Tuesday night? It was the first time Congress had voted in two weeks, and you weren't there!

(3) Have you ever allowed John Murtha or someone other than you to vote on your behalf in Congress?

(4) Would you like to punch me?

(5) What would it take to get you to hit me?

(6) Isn't it true that you are a thrice-married, Jew-baiting, compulsive-futures-gambling incompetent corrupt oaf? (duck!)



"Do you, James P. Mo (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:13 PM)
"Do you, James P. Moran, support or oppose the $28 million federal earmark for Arlington I-66 widening that was included in the last transportation funding bill?"

Moran has a formula response for such questions designed to avoid answering. He will describe what other people think about I-66 widening, and discuss whether it will happen and under what conditions.

The question I am asking is whether he, James P. Moran, supports or opposes the $28 million federal earmark for I-66 widening in the last transportation funding bill.



Congressman, thank y (Josh Israel - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Congressman, thank you for your steadfast support for civil rights for every Virginian.  A recent poll of Virginians showed that about 86% believe gays and lesbians should be protected from job discrimination based purely on their sexual orientation.

In light of this, and the fact that a Virginia Congressman recently lost his job because of his perceived sexual orientation---what do you think it would take for the Republican members of our Virginia Delegation to support passing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) to ban such discrimination nationally?



How could you have v (Peter Rush - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
How could you have voted for the CAFTA bill, which gives mega-corporations the power to destroy the livelihood of Central American farmers with cheap food exports to Central America, roll over any environmental or labor laws in Central America, hurt American workers and some farmers, and for what? So corporations can lower wages in both the U.S. and Central America, just to save consumers a few pennies?


Please comment on yo (novamiddleman - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Please comment on your relationship with Congressman Wolf and Davis and, if you wish, how you have worked together to benefit NoVA.

Please describe how you plan to impact congress as a member of the minority party. Additionally, what would you do if you were a member of the party in power?



Ok folks, Let's (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Ok folks,

Let's remember, Mr. Moran is our congressman we're going to offer Mr. Moran respectful questions, since he's been kind enough to spare us some time.

Johnathan Mark, you've had your fun, now let some other people post some questions we might actually ask.



Congressman Moran, (VirginiaBelle - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Congressman Moran,

With the BRAC realignment, Arlington will be losing many of its defense jobs, and Ft. Belvoir will experience a huge population explosion and traffic nightmare.

1.) What sort of "new" Arlington do you forsee?
2.) What is being done, on a federal level, to ease the transition to Ft. Belvoir, both in Arlington and in Fairfax?



"Congressman Moran, (Don Wells - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
"Congressman Moran, what will you do to help promote biofuel development in Virginia?"


I’m a new constituen (Vicki Bomben - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
I’m a new constituent of Congressman Moran’s and believe he has consistently been pro-choice in his career, which I appreciate.  But I share the concern many others seems to have about the direction of this movement, especially with the recent South Dakota ban on abortion and a more conservative Supreme Court.  I’m curious what advice Congressman Moran would give the choice movement about how to recover and better position itself.


"Jonathan Mark, you’ (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
"Jonathan Mark, you’ve had your fun, now let some other people post some questions we might actually ask."

Seriously, I hope that you will ask him my suggested question about whether he supports the federal funding for I-66 widening in Arlington. It is a very important question.

Also, Moran's bill to remove tariffs on Sri Lankan textiles sold at Wal-Mart is equally important. It relates to CAFTA/NAFTA and a proposed Western hemisphere free trade zone which Moran has said that he supports.

Moran's positions on trade and I-66 widening are unpopular. He would prefer that you not ask him about these subjects. But that is why you should ask him.



Excellent questions (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Excellent questions by everyone, although note to Jonathan Mark - cut the childish crap ("would you like to punch me?") and the ad hominem attacks ("thrice married") or risk having your comments deleted as "trolling."


Well, it was funny w (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Well, it was funny when Stephen Colbert asked Moran that on the Colbert Report.



Why did you support, (Peter Rush - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Why did you support, much less champion, the Bankruptcy Bill which you co-sponsored? That bill is arguably one of the worst pieces of legislation in history. It dramatically penalizes the 85-95% of filers who really need protection for the possible sins of the 5-15% who might be abusing it. It raises legal costs to people who can't afford to pay, gives credit card companies a hammer to bully filers into reaffirming debts to prevent losing their personal property that used to be exempt, and worst of all, it forces a large percentage of filers into chapter 13 plans that they cannot afford, and will default on, leaving them with no protection. The bill was written by the credit card industry, but at best would only generate a billion or less--against their $30 billion in annual profits, so they didn't need it--at the cost of enormous personal pain, and public expense of at least half a billion in new court and legal costs to administer it.


Wages in Sweden are (Jonathan Mark - 4/4/2006 11:33:14 PM)
Wages in Sweden are on average ten percent more than in the US. Wages in Canada are ten percent less. Wages in Mexico are 89 percent less, and wages in Sri Lanka are 98 percent less.

Will it harm US workers to remove tariffs on imports from extremely low-wage countries such as Sri Lanka?



I'm lucky enough to (tidewater_roots - 4/4/2006 11:33:15 PM)
I'm lucky enough to know the family and in fact worked with Phil's brother. This is definitely one of our best chances for a surprise House seat pick-up in Nov.
Agree, the website rocks, especially the inclusion of the Va Pilot article on the Drake/Cheney fundraiser.
PS his brother was always offering me mints, thought it was my breath, now I get it.LOL.


Vivian: I don't liv (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:33:15 PM)
Vivian:  I don't live in Hampton Roads and had never heard about Kellam Mints.  What do they taste like (Laura says they're "quite tasty")?  Is this a popular brand down there or what?

Eileen:  I met Kellam at the JJ Dinner and thought he was very personable.  This guy's a winner, no doubt about it!



Yeah, the Kellam min (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:15 PM)
Yeah, the Kellam mints is one of his signature moves.  It works, though. 

I'd expect the site to become more informative as the campaign progresses.  Right now, both candidates are just raising money and warming up.  They'll start throwing fists soon enough.



Nah, they're not a p (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:33:15 PM)
Nah, they're not a popular brand unless Kellam is handing them out himself.  They're just regular mints with his name and logo on them.  He used to say, "I just want to leave a good taste in your mouth" but I think funny looks and saying something to his staff helped to stop that. 


I LOVE Kellum Mints! (Jen Little - 4/4/2006 11:33:16 PM)
I LOVE Kellum Mints!



I think that at the (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
I think that at the end of the week, Saturday, you're going to start seeing those announcements, cat.  Just wait, and I bet you'll be seeing a lot of Webb!  Onward to Victory!


I continue to reiter (William - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
I continue to reiterate (and echo, from what I'm reading) that Hillary's a losing proposition for us.

I agree with brianna in that she should see the signs of her inelectability, but I think her ego will trump that in the end.

I doubt I'd be getting e-mails on her behalf from James Carville and Paul Begala for donations to a Senate campaign I can't even vote for (I'm not exactly what you would call a major donor).

But I also don't think McCain's road is an easy one, either.  Bush isn't the issue.  McCain has stood by the President in the tough times, but the President's a non-issue by '08.  The party machine (and base, as mentioned) has some problems with McCain, similar to the (unfounded) concerns about James Webb now on the left - the base thinks he can win, but they're afraid they're not getting the "real" thing.

I'd love to see Warner, but his one-job resume is a bit thin.  Granted, it was a great 4 years here, but that'll be an issue.

If you can get to Alexandria tomorrow, come out and support James Webb!

Onward to Victory,
William



Warner easily beats (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
Warner easily beats everybody but McCain, which turns out to be a VERY competetive race.  Warner would have a shot, because if McCain wants that nomination, he'll have to cozy up to Bush, and we don't know where Bush will be popularity wise at the end of 2008.  I say that if it's Warner vs. McCain, toss-up.  Hillary loses to every Republican out there.  McCain easily beats every Democrat but Warner, which would be rather competitive. 


Brianna: You may be (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
Brianna: You may be right in your political analysis.  However, don't underestimate the Republicans desire to win. Also, McCain has been busy mending fences with the right wing the past few years. We'll see.

As far as Webb's campaign team is concerned, I'm sure you are aware that Steve Jarding and Dave "Mudcat" Saunders are involved.  Besides that, I'll let the Webb campaign make their own announcements regarding their excellent new campaign manager, etc.



Ok Josh, So when (Neo - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
Ok Josh,

So when are any offical announcements coming out of the campaign? It was supposed to be this week as Lowell said.

In any case, Webb seems to be on the move now, and this is good news.



All those announceme (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
All those announcements will come from the campaign, but what will really impress people will be James Webb, the man.

This is going to be fantastic.

This train is ready to leave the station.  ALL ABOARD!!!



Can't wait to shake (Susan Mariner - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
Can't wait to shake Webb's hand at the St. Patrick's Day Parade! 


Warner vs. Allen: Wa (Kinsey - 4/4/2006 11:33:17 PM)
Warner vs. Allen: Warner wins
Hillary vs. Allen: Allen wins
Hillary vs. McCain: McCain wins
Warner vs. McCain: McCain wins
Warner vs. Giuiliani: Warner wins


I loved the American (Doug in Mount Vernon - 4/4/2006 11:33:18 PM)
I loved the American Idol episode earlier this year in Austin for auditions when a bunch of UT students dressed up as "Shaun of the Dead" zombies and stumbled and marched around the entire arena as in the movie.

CLASSIC!!  It was so true!



Go sit in the neares (Teddy - 4/4/2006 11:33:18 PM)
Go sit in the nearest mega shopping mall and watch your fellow Amerians waddle by lugging shopping bags full of junk trinkets heavily advertised on TV, tugging whiney over-sugared brats. They're on their way to their gas guzzling SUV, the one with the stickers proclaiming "Support our Troops" (but don't send my kid to war) and "Freedom Isn't Free" (but take my civil liberties in order to protect me), licking their icecream cone while making a maudlin small donation as a charity dump to the latest TV "news" victim. And their car, their clothing, and every item in those crammed shopping bags was made in China or Malaysia or India, and paid for by a line of credit on their cookie cutter house, money supplied indirectly by the dirt poor savers in China, India, and Malaysia. Behold the Imperial American of the 21st Century, self-righteous, sure he/she is entitled to all this, contemptuous of other cultures even while selling off all the assets of America to pay for their trinkets and for preemptive wars to "secure" access to gasoline.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.



I think the greatest (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:18 PM)
I think the greatest irony of TV is FOX.

Here's the mouthpiece of the so called "family values" Republican party, and what's on there?

Family Guy.
cops.
24.

Remember:
How to Marry a Millionaire.

Didn't they get hit with a huge citation for showing strippers in some Las Vegas expose'.

The thing is that sex itself isn't bad, it's presented in this hateful and voilent way, by the very network that most vocally and iconoclastically defends the Radical Right wing of the Republican party.

When does irony become hypocrisy?



Democrac (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:18 PM)
Democracy dies when people turn on their TV sets

I love that quote!



I want every one of (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:20 PM)
I want every one of these folks on the stage with Webb on November 7.

Make is so!



I'd like to point ou (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:33:21 PM)
I'd like to point out that if ALexandria wasn't like 6 hours away or more, I would have been there!

Whenever he's down this way, I'll be there bright and early!

One thing I wonder, does anybody have a good picture of him (the one you all posted is good, but I had to look at it a second to verify it was him.  A really good one would be helpful for bloggers to use in posts)?



I've got some more p (Too Conservative - 4/4/2006 11:33:21 PM)
I've got some more pictures up on Too Conservative.


Thanks Vincent. By (Lowell - 4/4/2006 11:33:21 PM)
Thanks Vincent.  By the way, just for the record, Josh and I are very similar politically, although I'm definitely more conservative on foreign policy issues and possibly more of a fiscal moderate as well.  On social issues, we're both very liberal as far as I can tell.  We're also both very passionate, as you may have noticed! :)

PS  I was a big-time Clark supporter and I believe Josh was a Dean man.



Neal: Try this one

Dan:  Every member of the AYD had an opportunity to meet Webb yesterday; why weren't any of them there?



I'm all for good hum (Webb Supporter - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
I'm all for good humor, but thats a little immature.  If you are working hard for someone, why jeapordize it with the little things that will come back and bite you in the end -- its stunts like that, while all in good fun, that can bring a campaign down.  Definitely in poor taste


I'd say pretty damn (Sean Holihan - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
I'd say pretty damn sophmoric.  But, hey, that's just me.  Offensive?  Nah. 


I think that Harris (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
I think that Harris was just being a good Democrat and supporting the opposition. 

The real goal is to take out Allen, and one of these guys is going to do it.



Funny. Miller probab (the Gools - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
Funny. Miller probably took it in stride.  .....barely anyone will see this pic anyway.


I didn't think it wa (Ben - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
I didn't think it was very funny either, but I wasn't offended or anything.


Looks like the kind (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
Looks like the kind of thing that a Webb supporter might have done.  Shake hands with Miller, slap a sticker on while maintaining eye contact and smiling all the while. 

I don't know who might do such a thing :)

I can only imagine.



I agree with Eileen. (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
I agree with Eileen.  Norfolk and Virginia Beach will be a battleground come November.  This would be a good opportunity for Webb to be seen in a very military-oriented area. 


That's a pretty good (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
That's a pretty good one.  I'll use it next time I post about Webb (should be today or tonight).

PS-See, everybody from all different parts of the spectrum can come together for Webb (I was for Edwards.)!



Yeah that is (Neal2028 - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)
Yeah that is funny.

Gas to get to the St. Patrick's Parade..$20.00
Signs, Stickers, Banners...$200.00
Advertising for your oponent without knowing it...Priceless.

Some things (like Senate seats) money can't buy.  For everything else...well, you know the rest.



Hilarious (Too Conservative - 4/4/2006 11:33:22 PM)


I don't think Miller (DanG - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
I don't think Miller will complain.  He'll most likely admit that somebody "got him" and move on.


mmm... maybe there's (Josh - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
mmm... maybe there's another way.

:)



god, way to take the (Mario - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
god, way to take the wind out of my sails.

what a stupid comment in WaPo -- people blog for all sorts of reasons, and who the hell cares how influential some guy thinks you are?  there are a lot of talented people out there who don't give a damn who reads their spiels because, guess what, there's a difference between keeping a diary that you know only you will read and writing your thoughts down where someone else might be affected by them.  just because "28.7 million" people blog doesn't mean all of them can't spell definately..........

that kind of thinking really pisses me off -- who f-ing cares what kind of impact a blog makes.  if people read it and they like the stuff they read then they might come back.  if you tailor what you write just so that you stir up controversy or only to make a name for yourself, then your writing is not genuine and i'd call bullshit.

i'm not saying raising kaine is like that (because you guys are great and I read this site a lot).  Instead I'm just calling out this WaPo commenter because s/he's a freaking idiot.  I say the more the merrier -- if your writing is good enough and people like you then great; if not then you should still be proud of what you put out there because that's the only point to doing all this (or else we'd all just be keeping diaries.)

but that bit about definitely was pretty funny.  anyone ever see that harriet miers blog during that whole song-and-dance nomination?  hilarious!



I'm sure I could squ (JC - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
I'm sure I could squeeze most of the RK staff into the Richmond Democrat: maybe Brian Patton would agree to take the overflow . . .

;-)



Ha. I see I have mo (Brian - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
Ha.  I see I have moved up to #14 on Republitarian's list.  Watch out Lowell, I am planning to take your top 10 position soon. :)

Non-Richmonders writing for "Richmond Democrat?" 



Well naturally I wou (JC - 4/4/2006 11:33:23 PM)
Well naturally I would require them to relocate.