New Hampshire Primary Day

By: Lowell
Published On: 1/8/2008 7:27:54 AM

As we all know, today is the New Hampshire primary (polls open at different times, but most by 8 am). Please feel free to use this as an open thread, including for your predictions. To get you in the mood, I'm including some excellent photos, courtesy of Aaron Webb (an acquaintance of James Martin's, no relation to Jim Webb), of New Hampshire.

UPDATE: Zogby just released a poll showing Obama at 42%, Clinton at 29%, and Edwards at 17% in NH.  The same poll showed McCain at 36%, Romney at 27%, and Huckabee at 10% (followed by Giuliani, Thompson and Paul).

UPDATE 11 AM:  Heavy -- possibly record -- turnout is being reported.  That's great news for Barack Obama...and for Democracy.  

UPDATE 3 PM: The Huffington Post reports that the Clinton campaign is "panicked and cash-short" and "considering giving up on the Nevada caucuses and on the South Carolina primary."  Wow.

UPDATE 3:08 PM: Key Nevada union looks likely to endorse Barack Obama tomorrow.










Comments



Colin Powell on Barack Obama (Lowell - 1/8/2008 8:33:39 AM)


The Military Has No Powells Today (dsvabeachdems - 1/8/2008 8:55:39 AM)
The Republicans have run them all off and our security is more at risk for this. He is an honest broker and his heart must be broken by the betrayals of this administration.  


Local paper ion NH (Bernie Quigley - 1/8/2008 8:59:09 AM)
The Valley News, my local paper in the Hanover, NH (Dartmouth College) region had a picture of Obama under banner headline this morning talking to a very large group. Beneath were smaller pictures of John McCain and BILL CLINTON (!!!). Hillary wasn't pictured anywhere at all. A coy piece of photojournalism by good and honest NH journalists. You could hear Judy Woodruff, Katty Kay (BBC) and Gwen Ifill last night talking about "passion" in the Democratic crowds - there is real passion and enthusiasm but in is all for Obama here in the northern part of the state - I don't know what they are doing in the southern industrial cities of NH but my feeling is that the media has been intentionally pushing the "close race" for market potential as they did in Iowa. I don't think this will be close at all.


Bernie, I hope we get updates from you (Lowell - 1/8/2008 9:04:47 AM)
throughout the day and evening...thanks.


It is a very warm day . . . (Bernie Quigley - 1/8/2008 11:07:39 AM)
. . . and clear. On the other side, we see nothing but McCain signs.


Obama ahead in Dixvill Notch, Edwrads, 2nd, Hillary, 0 (Bernie Quigley - 1/8/2008 11:17:27 AM)
This is how it is going at Dixville Notch, the northernmost town in NH, according to the NYTs. It is core northern New Hampshire, cold and gnarly-est of mountain NH. Wes Clark won Dixville Notch in '04 (he said he had never been so cold in his life). I think this reflects what is happening in my neighborhood, about a hour and a half south. There are a lot of young people voting: my son and his friends are all voting for Obama. They are college freshmen working up here as ski instructors over Christmas. My son was sitting with his crowd for lunch and people asked who they were going to vote for (it is their first time voting). My son said "Hillary Clinton" - just joking; he is a trickster - and everyone scorned him. The young 'uns in his class are universally for Obama. As the National Review reporter said on Fox news the other day; whatever happens in '08 Obama will mark the new generation.

Senator Barack Obama 7
John Edwards - 2
Gov. Bill Richardson - 1
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - 0



Edwards "victory" = > 20% (strong 3rd) (relawson - 1/8/2008 10:26:05 AM)
A second place finish for Edwards changes everything.  If he gets over 20% I think he is still viable.

My prediction is:

Obama: 41%
Clinton: 32%
Edwards: 20%
Others: 7%

I checked my math this time ;-)



It would take heavy spin to call that a victory (DanG - 1/8/2008 2:28:41 PM)


He stays in the race at > 20% (relawson - 1/8/2008 2:42:07 PM)
We aren't expecting him to do well at all in NH.  If he gets above 20% he beats expectations.  That's a small victory.


My SWAG at the final numbers (sndeak - 1/8/2008 10:33:29 AM)

NH Democrats
Obama - 41%
Clinton - 29%
Edwards - 24%
Richardson - 6%

NH republicans
McCain - 32%
Romney - 28%
Huckabee - 14%
Paul - 10%
Guiliani - 8%
Thompson - 7%
Hunter - 1%



Hey Steve!! (Doug in Mount Vernon - 1/8/2008 3:23:34 PM)
Great to see your name.

When is Georgia's primary?



Super Tuesday (sndeak - 1/8/2008 3:31:05 PM)
I'm working in Green Bay WI right now. Hope to be home for the primary.

I got to canvas over in Iowa for Obama a few times in Nov/Dec. Had a great time!

I'm running for national delegate this year.



Obama could end it today (True Blue - 1/8/2008 11:15:18 AM)

I suspect that Obama's organization has been able to create an "X-factor" in this election: the "unlikely Democratic voter."

Those of us who participated in the Kaine and Webb campaigns know how a campaign typically works: you get lists of LIKELY Democratic voters and you call, call, call.

Voters that don't have phones, aren't likely to vote, or may even be likely to oppose you, were ignored.

But what if Obama has found a way to reach those people and get them out?  What if, in addition to the polled 42%, he's able to pull another 3-5% out of his hat, just utterly swamp Hillary Clinton?  

I suspect that with his community organizing model and by leveraging big events like those with Oprah Winfrey, Obama has gone way outside of the "Likely Democratic Voter" model and is pulling all kinds of new people into the process, people who normally wouldn't show up on a pollster's radar screen.  This is why Mark Penn has been so completely blind-sided.  All of his models are completely off.  Democratic turnout in Iowa was about DOUBLE what is was in 2004.  How do you model that?

If Barack Obama beats Clinton by 15 points and Edwards by 20, is there a realistic reason for Clinton or Edwards to go on?  With Obama poised to win South Carolina by 20 points, would there really be a reason to continue?

Watch tonight for this X factor: does Obama merely win, or does he blow his rivals out?  That's the question tonight.



Democratic voters.. (sndeak - 1/8/2008 12:15:22 PM)
If Obama beats Clinton by more than 3 points with Democrats I think she has a tough time recovering. If all of his strength comes from Independents she will stay in the race and look towards the closed primaries on Feb 5 trying to rally hard-core democrats with a message of "Obama is not a Democrat".


Yes! (LAS - 1/8/2008 12:19:56 PM)
They need to stay in at least until Super Tuesday.

It seems to me we're making the same mistake we made in 2004. (No offense to Kerry) rushing headlong, falling in line behind the guy a (relatively speaking) handful of voters elected.

What's the hurry? Can we try to take a little time this go around?

Obama is my choice right now and I'd like the chance to vote for him. I'd like the chance to see him be tested a bit. Find out EVERYTHING we need to know BEFORE we burn our bridges. Date him, marry him, AND still be happy with him long after the honeymoon is over.

You know after all this build-up, the press is going to start tearing him down. Let's see if he can take it.  



I Am Behind Barack 1000% BUT (Lee Diamond - 1/8/2008 2:45:14 PM)
There is something to be said for being tested Prior to the general election.  I do agree with LAS on testing.  I have great respect for LAS.

I have been for Barack since March 2007.  Since we've been through too many bad times with weak Presidential candidates, I would be more relaxed if Barack does get challenged and tested.



Precisely.....what do you have to lose by (Dianne - 1/8/2008 6:00:04 PM)
waiting till at least more people vote in primaries before we go gung ho on one candidate.  

Frankly, guys I'm really disappointed in all the pokes, scorns, and downright viciousness that people have given Hillary Clinton here and elsewhere in the media.  She has done nothing to deserve what she's been dished by US DEMOCRATS.  If NY likes her (and they have for two elections now) then she must have something good going for her, including her consistent voting record on the DEMOCRATIC side. Further, I'm not sure it will ever be time for a woman to hold the Presidency in the United States.

Demdiva said it pretty tongue in cheek  in Lowell's diary endorsing Obama (but I've heard so much of this before):

Don't vote for a woman! (0.00 / 0)
There is no way on earth that the US is ready for a woman president.  All women politcas are too shrill, too emotional, too cold, too unfeeling, too robotic, too simpering, too domineering, too calculating, too old, and too wrinkled to be qualified.  The only women who even get anywhere in American politics do so because of their husband's accomplishments and they don't deserve to win any public office on their own.  Women politicians have no sex appeal.  They're all menopausal and they wear stupid clothes.  If they don't wear stupid clothes then they're obsessed with fashion.  If they wear high collars, if proof they're frigid.  If they show cleavage they're either trying too hard or they're hussies.  If they show emotion they have PMS.  If they don't show emotion,     they're cold, unfeeling bitches.  Yes. Bitches.  Especially the ones who get a little too big for their pantyhose and get all uppity to think that they're qualified and have the experience to lead a nation.  Nope.  Not yet. Probably not ever.  All you 40-something cougars and perimenopausal 50-somethings should just go home and let the menfolks keep their genitalic destiny intact.  Stop messin' where you don't belong, bitches.              

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"Downright viciousness" here? (Lowell - 1/8/2008 6:06:59 PM)
I must have missed that.  Personally, I think we have several fine candidates this year, any one of whom would make an excellent president.  No reason to attack any of them, and I hope they will avoid attacking each other too.


Why would Edwards leave? (tx2vadem - 1/8/2008 12:20:29 PM)
Or Hillary for that matter?  This is their life's work.  They are passionate about what they believe and what they have to offer America.  New Hampshire is still one state as was Iowa.  Edwards and Hillary both have enough money to go all the way.  

If we were talking about California, Texas, New York and Florida, and majorities there lined up behind Obama in their primaries, then it would be a different story.  But New Hampshire is not any of those states.  

I want all candidates to see this through to the end.  I want my choice on February 12th to have meaning.



You have to be seen as viable to get the money you need (True Blue - 1/8/2008 12:54:11 PM)

Granted, you can scale your operation down to a certain extent and continue a bare bones camapign, but that's just putting off the inevitable.

Clinton is--believe it or not--about to come up on a cash crunch, even though she has $15 million in the bank.  This is because her donations have suddenly stopped after Iowa and she has a huge paid organization.  She didn't budget on getting almost no money after Iowa, and after tonight her problems are going to get a lot worse.  Many of Clinton's donors are maxed out and she isn't getting any new ones.  She'll have to initiate mass lay offs before Super Tuesday, which will further disrupt her campaign.

Edwards is somewhat better off in this respect.  With a more modest budget and more realistic outlook, he has kept his organization more manageable in terms of its size and payroll.

But my point is this: if Obama blows them out tonight, they will cease to get any new campaign contributions, while Obama will see a wave of new donations (and with a existing donor base of 500,000+ Obama has barely begun to scratch the surface).

Edwards and Clinton are ambitious, true, but they aren't stupid and they'll know when they are beat.  



I agree with this (Ron1 - 1/8/2008 3:14:20 PM)
Even after Nevada and South Carolina, a total of 17 of the 435 Congressional districts (436 if you count DC) will have spoken. That's less than 4% of the entire Democratic-voting electorate.

Throw in the weirdness with Michigan and Florida and their delegate-seating, and the rest of the country basically doesn't get a vote until February 5. I want to see the full nationwide primary, and that's as someone leaning Obama at this point.



Baaaahhh. Baaaaahhh. (relawson - 1/8/2008 2:15:50 PM)
"If Barack Obama beats Clinton by 15 points and Edwards by 20, is there a realistic reason for Clinton or Edwards to go on?  "

The sheep will follow.  But that's no way to pick a president.



Obama simply out organized them (True Blue - 1/8/2008 2:33:47 PM)

Obama's campaign is simply of a different magnitude.  As one commenter has it: Obama is playing chess while Clinton and Edwards were playing checkers.  

Obama's campaign has done something very different, though I'm not sure what.  It's like Blitzkrieg, Clinton has been caught completely off guard and she doesn't have time to react or adjust.  I don't think she realized she had a problem until Iowa, and then she only had five days to retool her campaign: it couldn't be done.

Now Obama will have won the first two big campaign events and in 18 days he'll probably take South Carolina by a wide margin.

But don't hate Obama for his skillful performance: just hope he's able to do the same thing to the Republicans.  I don't think the GOP will know what hit them come November.



Not an Obama hater (relawson - 1/8/2008 2:39:54 PM)
"But don't hate Obama for his skillful performance"

I don't hate Obama.  He is my second choice after Edwards.  He has run a great campaign.

That said, we shouldn't be calling the election before the second primary/caucus.  That is disrespectful to the other candidates and their supporters.

The last thing we should be doing is acting like sheep - the "Obama has momentum so let's support him" is a lousy reason to support him.  A primary amongst Democrats is nothing remotely similar to a national race involving everyone.

Frankly, I don't think Obama can beat the Republicans.  Isn't that a valid reason to support someone else?



Well, I endorsed Obama on Feb. 22, 2007 (True Blue - 1/8/2008 2:57:36 PM)

So I'm hardly a late comer or band wagon guy.

I don't mean to be disrespectful of anyone else's feelings.  I was only speaking to the perceived realities of the political siutation.

For Edwards or Clinton to catch Obama after tonight would require that they overcome the settled patterns of primary elections of the past 30-40 years.  That's certainly not impossible, just very unlikely.

I just don't think Obama going to make a mistake at this point.  He's masterfully outmaneuvered Clinton at her own game and I don't think 18 days will be enough for her to retool her campaign.

Contrast this with McCain.  McCain imploded in July 2007, but he had six months to put everything back together.  He's adjusted his message, reshuffled his campaign leadership, reworked his budget and payroll to reflect realistic donor levels, and put together a brand new campaign that bears little resemblance to his "presumed front runner" campaign of last March.  Now he's competitive again.

Clinton has to do what McCain did, but she only has 18 days to do it.  Is it possible?  Maybe.  Is it likely?  You tell me.



More early primary states (relawson - 1/8/2008 3:03:41 PM)
Those will undoubtedly have an impact on Feb 5th.


Kismet (tx2vadem - 1/8/2008 6:16:24 PM)
So, you see Florida's decision to move their primary further compressing the schedule and moving campaigning back to the holiday season may have sealed the deal for Obama.  Florida's move may prove the death knell for campaigns hoping to overcome the Obama Wave of Hope.


Blow-out for Obama. (Jack Landers - 1/8/2008 11:28:03 AM)
Last night I was saying I thought Obama would beat Hillary by 7 points with Edwards somewhere in 3rd place. This morning, it's feeling like an even bigger margin. The Zogby poll, the early numbers from the small precincts, the effect of the crying Hillary video.

Obama in the lead by at least 10 points. Maybe more. The Democratic nomination will be effectively decided by midnight tonight.

Onward to the veepstakes.  



As for the other side... (LAS - 1/8/2008 12:25:15 PM)
I don't think McCain is going to do as well as expected--although he may win it. I've a feeling he won't have the numbers he needs for a blow-out.

But he won't be the nominee. I guess that will be Mitt, since that's the one the establishment wants.

But I still think Huckabee's the one to watch--and a very dangerous man. Although I would never wish this in a million years, I have to admit it would be delicious irony if Huckabee won the nomination. For years the greedy Republicans have used the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists and given them precious little in return. Imagine if they turned it around and got Huckabee--payback's a bitch.  



I've never been convinced (Chris Guy - 1/8/2008 12:38:41 PM)
that McCain can win NH this time around. Not only does he have Obama taking his beloved independent voters, but Ron Paul as well. Paul's a non-factor as far as winning the nomination is concerned, but NH, and their "Live Free or Die" mantra, is well suited for him.  


I Have To Disagree With LAS A Bit Here (Lee Diamond - 1/8/2008 2:53:26 PM)
If McCain does not win NH and South Carolina, I think that we will win the presidency.  We are going to find out in the next few weeks if the Republicans have decided to take over the Democrats' traditional role in American politics.  He absolutely has to win New Hamphire.

I agree with LAS about the potential for the evangelicals to come back and bite the Republicans.  I do not quite agree with most of my friends about the evil, diabolical nature of Mike Huckabee.  In any case, I am absolutely certain that we can beat him.  The only way there is potential for this to be a real race is if the Republican nominate McCain for President.



McCain = Iraq (Jack Landers - 1/8/2008 5:02:10 PM)
You really think that America is going to vote for the closest thing to a 3rd term for Bush that is being offered?

I don't see it happening. McCain would win a few states that Huckabee or Romney wouldn't win versus Obama.  But not enough to win the general election. Look at all the SUSA polls we've seen in the last few months. Even here in VA, McCain is well under 50% against Obama with Obama only 2 points behind. And McCain is a very known quantity with high name recognition.

McCain would clearly be playing defense against Obama even in red states. We'd be thumping him at fundraising, too.  I guess McCain would win Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, Arizona. Most other places in America we'll be kicking his butt.

His time is past. John McCain's wholehearted embrace of Iraq, Bush and the worst excesses of the early 2000's GOP has made him into tainted goods. We're making history and he's trying to re-do 2000.



McCain Is The Only Qualified And Reasonably Consistent Candidate (Lee Diamond - 1/8/2008 5:17:47 PM)
Hi Jackson.  How are ya?

McCain is the only truly national candidate the Republicans have among the current contenders.  While he has supported the war, he is the only candidate who clearly expressed criticism of the Bush Administration early on.  From the Republican perspective , that is pretty good.  At the same time he criticized Bush policy in Iraq, he has been a Bush supporter.

My point is that he has the best chance of uniting the Republican Party and competing in the general election.  That, however, is not necessarily saying a lot since the Republican Party is such a mess.

Among the contenders, McCain has the most consistent record.  Even though he is a maverick, he can honestly call himself a conservative.

His problem is that the interest groups within the party do not like him.  It will be very interesting to see how he fares.

If McCain does not get the nomination, the door is open for the Democrats to seek a more ambitious mandate than they might have with a formidable, established leader such as McCain as the Republican nominee.



Charlie Cook analysis (Lowell - 1/8/2008 12:27:27 PM)
The Democratic nomination fight may not be over, but the landscape has completely changed. Assuming an Obama victory tonight, it is unrealistic to expect Clinton and Edwards to both fold their tents. But whichever one continues on would have to run a slash-and-burn "Stop Obama" campaign. Such a maneuver would very likely create a backlash and encounter an enormous amount of pressure to cease and desist.

Whether Democrats should nominate Barack Obama or not is for someone else to decide. It remains to be seen whether he can successfully address concerns about his inexperience. But this nomination may well be settled before the answer to that question is known. Democrats now seem to want to nominate Obama and look very likely to do so unless he quickly appears to be a risk. It will be very difficult for either Clinton or Edwards to successfully raise those doubts at this point without rendering themselves unelectable as well.

On the Republican side, things will likely get very muddled, and perhaps stay that way for a while. Huckabee was unable to replicate his Iowa win in Wyoming, where Romney won, and is unlikely to win in New Hampshire, where McCain and Romney are battling it out. He also seems unlikely to win in Michigan on Jan. 15 or in Nevada on Jan. 19. Huckabee does, however, stand a decent chance in South Carolina and at least a half dozen of the Feb. 5 states. Indeed, of the19 states holding GOP primaries or caucuses on Feb. 5, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain and Romney all have states they could win.

In short, we may be looking at a very early Democratic nomination and a much longer, more sustained fight for the GOP nod.



Obama enthusiasts at my door. (Bernie Quigley - 1/8/2008 3:28:19 PM)
I voted at 8 am for Obama and all morning there have been calls and calls and visits to the door - all supporting Obama. My wife works at Dartmouth and she says the crowd was overwhelming today to see Obama - (and as WaPost is reporting, they walked out on Bill). Obama is the new ride. NH is certainly the quirky-est state in New England and probably in the country. We always seem drawn to the outsider and it is not a surprise that we would go for Obama. What I find amazing is that we are confluent in this with conservative, consistent, conventional, white, Protestant, uniform, farm folk, Okie from Muscogee, did I say white? (97%) Iowa. We were as well in '04 but only because we ran a Favorite Son (two, actually). If an African-American from Chicago's South Side who still has sisters in Kenya can win in Iowa I don't see why he can't win everywhere. If Iowa no longer cares about race we are a free country. I think it might be easier for my friends and family in Tobaccoville, NC, and Poplar Camp, VA, to vote for a black man today than it was to vote for a Catholic in 1960.


Half the state's population! (Lowell - 1/8/2008 3:52:06 PM)
Now THIS is impressive!

More than 500,000 New Hampshire voters, nearly half of the total population, will go into the privacy of voting booths one-by-one - accompanied only by their consciences and their gut feelings - and make their collective suggestion to the nation on who should represent the Democratic and Republican parties in the November 2008 general election. The previous voter turnout high was in the 1992 primary, when 396,000 Granite Staters went to the polls.


That Is Good News (BP - 1/8/2008 4:28:59 PM)
I would love to see these record turnouts continue all the way through November.  Many of these new voters may even become politically active beyond the campaign season.  Warms the heart of the youthful idealist that still lives somewhere deep within me.


Clinton to pull out of NV, SC? (Lowell - 1/8/2008 3:59:18 PM)
The Huffington Post is reporting that "A panicked and cash-short Clinton campaign is seriously considering giving up on the Nevada caucuses and on the South Carolina primary in order to regroup and to save resources for the massive 19-state mega-primary on February 5."

Save resources?  Didn't this campaign raise $100 million?  What happened to all of it?

The Clinton campaign has raised over $100 million, but has "only" $15 to $20 million left. It faces donor reluctance to give more in the face of the Iowa defeat and the prospect of a second loss in New Hampshire today. Even worse, the campaign fears defections among those fundraisers who want to be with a winner and who might be easily persuaded to support Barack Obama.

While the amount of money Clinton has would seem to be more than enough by past standards, the cost of competing in the February 5 states -- including New York, California, Georgia, New Jersey, Minnesota, Colorado, Tennessee, Massachusetts and Arizona - is unprecedented in the history of American primaries. She will face, in turn, an extremely well-funded Obama campaign, whose cash register right now doesn't stop ringing as donations are coming in over the Internet, by mail and in checks handed over in person.

Amazing.



An Anatomy of Losing (Jack Landers - 1/8/2008 4:10:58 PM)
As usual, what the Clinton campaign is weighing as 'strategy' is really just another elaborate description of losing.

Losing Iowa and New Hampshire, running out of money and then not even attempting to compete in Nevada and South Carolina. Right. Formula for victory right there. Obama must be kicking himself for not thinking of it first.

Nitwits.

You know, sooner or later you do have to start winning some actual states. And if you've decided that this isn't going to happen then what that is called is 'losing.'



Could this just be.... (ericy - 1/8/2008 4:32:10 PM)

dirty tricks from other campaigns trying to sabotage Clinton's campaign?

I thought she had something 100 million set aside.  She couldn't have blown that already, could she?



She never had $100 million "set aside" (Lowell - 1/8/2008 4:48:12 PM)
She RAISED $100 million, but that's constantly being spent on staff, offices, travel, TV, direct mail, etc., etc.  At this point, I have little doubt that she's spent most of the $100 million.


Same deal for Obama, btw (Lowell - 1/8/2008 4:49:07 PM)
But he's probably raking in money now, given his win in Iowa and expected win in NH.  Hillary, on the other hand, may start seeing the donation pipeline dry up unless she wins...soon.


General Election Money (Jack Landers - 1/8/2008 5:03:18 PM)
Remember that a lot of that had to be set aside for the general election only.


Excellent analysis by Josh Marshall (Lowell - 1/8/2008 4:53:17 PM)


Grassroots Rising (Teddy - 1/8/2008 5:04:57 PM)
Spectacular turnouts in Iowa and New Hampshire seem to boggle the minds (if they have any) of the noble punditocracy.

Just remember, it first began tentatively right here in Virginia when the heretofore silent underlings rebelled against the Democratic Establishment, threw out the Establishment candidate, nominated Jim Webb for US Senate, and then got him elected, in some cases almost over the dead bodies of the Establishment functionaries.

Could it be  We, the people have had enough, and are taking back their country? Now be wary. The Establishment (which runs across political party lines) will not go down easily. Backlash coming. Obama, be prepared.



Yep, the Establishment is quaking in their collective Italian leather shoes (tx2vadem - 1/8/2008 5:28:22 PM)
There have been secret meetings of the Trilateral Commission to discuss this very issue.  Oops, have I said too much?  ;)


Prediction, For What It's Worth (Newport News Dem - 1/8/2008 5:34:53 PM)
Obama - 39
Clinton - 31
Edwards - 18
Richardson - 5

The balance goes to the THE OTHER 17 CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT .

I checked out the official ballot and there are 21 candidates listed on the Democratic ballot!



My prediction, for what it's worth (Lowell - 1/8/2008 5:39:52 PM)
Obama: 41%
Clinton: 29%
Edwards: 23%
Richardson: 6%
Kucinich: 1%


no specific numbers (teacherken - 1/8/2008 6:24:05 PM)
seeing the incredibly heavy Democratic turnout (it is DEM ballots that that they were running out of) and the negative coverage of Bill Clinton's remarks tdoay, it will clearly be double digits.  I tend to think under 20, but probably 15 or more points.  I think Clinton may hold 2nd, burt not necesarily that far ahead of Edwards

I note that the one poll that had it close, Suffolk, had the margin expand from 1 point for Obama to 5 points for Obama - that is a pretty large overnight increase.



Lee Pitches High & Hard With Barack (Lee Diamond - 1/8/2008 5:50:58 PM)
Obama:  46
Clinton:  28
Edwards: 20
Richardson: 6

McCain has to win for the Republicans to be truly competitive in the general.  That is all.



JC places his bets with: (True Blue - 1/8/2008 5:56:37 PM)

Obama - 47%
Clinton - 29%
Edwards - 21%
Other - 3%

I think the new voters are going to swamp the establishment.



Bolling says Obama will be tough (Lowell - 1/8/2008 6:18:56 PM)
to beat.


My prediction (thegools - 1/8/2008 9:07:54 PM)
The bandwagon will continue, Obama gets the nomination.  In the ensuing months, people start researching his background & find a significant lack of experience.  The GOP attacks hard.  People start having buyers remorse.  In the general election, Obama loses, barely.

  If he loses, some people will think back to Spring 2008, and will wonder why they did not vote for the best & strongest progressive candidate in the race, John Edwards.  They will wonder what would have happened if they had followed their brains instead of their hearts and made Edwards the candidate instead of Obama.  They will remember wistfully that it was Edwards and not Obama who, more than any other democratic candidate, polled best against the GOP.  They will wonder at their mistake, but by that point it will be too late.  Four more years of GOP in the White House wil have already set in.

  (Perhaps I am wrong at my predictions, but that is my fear.)