Obama and Huckabee Projected Winners in Iowa

By: Rob
Published On: 1/3/2008 9:03:25 PM

The caucuses are underway!  Updates here as the night progresses.  Use this diary as your open thread!

UPDATE: CNN entrance poll says Mitt and Huck leading for GOP (duh) and tight race between Hillary and Obama with Edwards third (thanks for nothing).  

UPDATE:  TPM's guide to the caucus.

UPDATE 8:33 PM: With 128 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Edwards 35.58%, Clinton 30.85%, Obama 30.01%, Richardson 1.67%, Biden 1.46%, Dodd 0.24%, uncommitted 0.16%.

UPDATE 8:43 PM: With 279 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Edwards 34.13%, Clinton 31.89%, Obama 31.01%

UPDATE 8:44 PM  "It's a three man, a three person race, I should say" -- Wolf Blitzer

UPDATE 8:51 PM: With 461 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Edwards 32.62%, Clinton 32.30%, Obama 32.30%

UPDATE 8:53 PM:  Obama moves into second. With 513 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Edwards 32.52%, Obama 32.41%, Clinton 32.15%

UPDATE 8:55 PM:  CNN projecting that Huck has won in Iowa.  "A dramatic, dramatic development," says Blitzer about a result everyone expected.

UPDATE 9:02 PM:  Obama starting to pull away? It's still close, but with 784 of 1,781 precincts reporting (44%), it's Obama 33.50%,  Edwards 32.04%, Clinton 31.71%.  

UPDATE 9:10 PM:  Obama keeps going.  Now  943 of 1,781 precincts reporting (44%), Obama 34.09%,  Edwards 31.66%, Clinton 31.43%.  

UPDATE 9:15 PM:  Now, we're going from "close" to a trend.  We're at 1057 of 1,781 precincts reporting (60%), Obama 34.69%,  Edwards 31.52%, Clinton 31.00%.  

UPDATE 9:24 PM:  NBC News just called it for Obama.  

UPDATE 9:36 PM: With 1,458 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Obama 36.44%, Edwards 30.42%, Clinton 30.12%.

UPDATE 9:49 PM: With 1,588 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Obama 36.94%, Edwards 30.09%, Clinton 29.79%.

UPDATE 10:00 PM: With 1,642 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Obama 37.14%, Edwards 30.00%, Clinton 29.60%.

UPDATE 10:16 PM: With 1,700 of 1,781 precincts reporting, it's Obama 37.39%, Edwards 29.95%, Clinton 29.47%.  


Comments



Switching between C-Span and C-SPan II (Newport News Dem - 1/3/2008 9:33:59 PM)
Just looking at the persons (minorities excluded unfortunately) attending the respective caucuses makes on proud to be a Democrats.

What a bunch of frowning unhappy people at the Carrol County repugnant Caucus. The Democrats are having a blast!



Huck ran his negative ad anyway! (elevandoski - 1/3/2008 9:38:43 PM)
http://www.factcheck.org/elect...


Looks like high turnout (Lowell - 1/3/2008 9:46:53 PM)
For instance, see here:

"HUGE crowd," USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely e-mails us, from inside a Democratic caucus at the Edmunds Academy of Fine Arts in Des Moines. The official count, she says: 248 caucus-goers, nearly double the 2004 attendance of 130 at that site. It's a pro-Obama crowd, she says. The first round of voting went 122 for Sen. Barack Obama, 37 for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.


According to TalkingPointsMemo (JPTERP - 1/3/2008 10:34:23 PM)
We may be looking at almost twice the number of caucus goers in relation to 2004 (which I seem to remember as a pretty energized year for the Democrats).

Obama campaign estimates 207,000 voters -- that is pretty amazing in and of itself.  It sounds like Obama is bringing a lot of new, young voters, into Democrat the fold as well.  Great news for Dems, bad news for the GOP.



I wonder . . . (True Blue - 1/3/2008 9:56:13 PM)
if perhaps Edwards has an edge in the smaller rural precincts which will report first and if Obama will score big in the larger urban centers that will report last.

Fingers crossed for Obama.



Smaller precincts are faster to sort out. (Rob - 1/3/2008 9:57:43 PM)


On the Republican side, it's (Lowell - 1/3/2008 9:57:02 PM)
Huckabee 36%, Romney 23%, Thompson 14%, McCain 12%, Paul 11%, Giuliani 3% with 15% of precincts reporting (at 8:50 PM).


Des Moines Precinct 53 on C-Span (Newport News Dem - 1/3/2008 10:03:05 PM)
Just reported the viable candidates and it is route against Hillary.

180 something for Obama - 3 delegates
160 something for Edwards - 2 "
80 something for Clinton - 1 "



Results Site (Evan M - 1/3/2008 10:06:57 PM)
With a tip-o-the-hat to MyDD.

http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/

Real time, updated every 30 seconds.



Uh, yeah, that's what I'm F5ing! ;) (Rob - 1/3/2008 10:09:12 PM)


Huzzah to the Iowa Dems (Chris Guy - 1/3/2008 10:23:02 PM)
this site is purring like a kitten despite all the traffic.


The Iowa Republican site has been terrible (Lowell - 1/3/2008 10:24:58 PM)
...pretty much crashed.  Figures, the GOP can't even get its caucus night website to work right.


AP projects Huckabee wins (Lowell - 1/3/2008 10:10:23 PM)
According to USA Today.


I think he's going to crush Romney. (Rob - 1/3/2008 10:13:38 PM)
He could win this whole thing.  He's not expected to do well in NH already, but can pick up all those southern states (SC!)  Wow.


Obama expanding.... (NGB - 1/3/2008 10:14:53 PM)
As an Obama man, I'm hoping Edwards can hold off Hillary.


you need to look county by county (teacherken - 1/3/2008 10:24:29 PM)
3 key counties

Polk - Desmoines
Johnson - Iowa City  ISU
Story - Ames - U of Iowa

still less than 1/3 of each reporting.  In each case, Obam 1st, edwards 2nd, and Clinton 34d.

Obama should win perhaps y more than 5 points over Clinton

Edwards may just hold on to 2nd place.

McCain may finish 4th in Iowa.    



Why high conservative numbers for Clinton? (relawson - 1/3/2008 10:26:33 PM)
The one thing that concerns me is that Clinton is winning western Iowa - where there are high numbers of conservatives.

Why would conservatives - who tend to dislike Clinton - vote for her?  My guess is that conservatives are trying to choose a person they think a Republican is more likely to win against.

Am I wrong here?



Well if I lived in Iowa (Chris Guy - 1/3/2008 10:30:11 PM)
and couldn't decide on a Democrat, I'd consider caucusing for Romney for that very reason. >:)


MSNBC (NGB - 1/3/2008 10:27:24 PM)
called for Obama


The battle now is for second (Chris Guy - 1/3/2008 10:28:57 PM)
Hillary's catching up...


If Obama can get to 37% it's a blowout (True Blue - 1/3/2008 10:32:14 PM)

Watch for the big urban precincts to report last.


This is not a blowout - microcosim of America (relawson - 1/3/2008 10:46:45 PM)
A very tight race.  I realize you will spin it as a blowout, but it is a tight race without a doubt.

If Obama gets a 10% lead like Huckabee almsost did (at last count) then you can start talking about blowouts.

The Democratic race isn't over.  IMHO all 3 candidates are still in it.  I mean really, two hundred thousand people in Iowa representing a country with over 450 million people?  



It's a blowout because of the consequences (True Blue - 1/3/2008 10:50:45 PM)
Edwards bet everything on Iowa.  He put up a great fight and he is a great fighter.  But Edwards' money is gone and finishing second place 6-7%+ behind isn't good enough to spur new fundraising.  Edwards will not make it to the end of the road and Obama will become the "not-Hillary" candidate.

That's not spin: it's analysis.



Definitely, Edwards needed to win Iowa (Lowell - 1/3/2008 10:54:33 PM)
He practically lived there the past 4 years...this was it for him, do or die.  Unfortunately for John Edwards, he didn't quite "do" it in Iowa, either in 2004 or 2008.  Close but no cigar.


What are the rules since he took public funding? (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:00:38 PM)
I think the answer to this question on his future depends on how much money he has left, how much money he can legally raise, and perhaps (ironically) 527 groups that may keep him alive.  Hell, I'm working on a mashup now ;-)

I don't see how the story can still be Hillary / Obama.  Edwards tied Hillary.  He should be getting more free media attention where as previously he was ignored.  

I know people want his campaign to be over.  But let's be real, this is one small state.

If you are an Obama supporter - it's your job to declare the race all but over.  I get that.  But it's not over until February 5th.

In short, Edwards was all but ignored by the media.  He still came in 2nd or a very strong 3rd (votes still being counted).



I still think Edwards hangs on for a while . . . (JPTERP - 1/3/2008 11:07:28 PM)
In the case of New Hampshire he has rock-solid support that isn't going anywhere.    

A 7% - 8% victory margin though in a tight three way race sends a pretty strong message.  The victory margin is way beyond what I anticipated  . . . I'm am very curious to see how this shakes out next week in New Hampshire.



This is also a wakeup call for other Edwards supporters (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:10:38 PM)
Those of us who have been holding on to our wallets may open them up for Edwards now that we know he is in the race, just needing cash.


Yes, that is true (True Blue - 1/3/2008 11:12:01 PM)

If you guys are willing to double you can buy him a second chance.


Should be "double-down" (True Blue - 1/3/2008 11:12:26 PM)


The real question is what Edwards does tonight or over the next few days (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:14:08 PM)
He needs to send a strong message that he is still in it.  I think Edwards lives if Edwards wants to live.  He needs to make a bold statement tonight I think.


Maybe (demdiva - 1/3/2008 11:46:23 PM)
and Huckabee will be the "not Obama" candidate in the general?


Edwards lives another day? (relawson - 1/3/2008 10:35:48 PM)
I think he does.  I am surprised how well Obama has done.


Edwards out of money (True Blue - 1/3/2008 10:44:26 PM)
And finishing second by 6%+ won't help fundraising.

Edwards may be toast.



Hillary wishes (relawson - 1/3/2008 10:48:43 PM)
That was a strong second.  Or third - no matter who comes in second.

I remember a certain race in Virginia where a candidate who was grossly outspent beat Harris Miller in the Primary.  I wonder if Jim Webb thinks it is over for John Edwards.



You are forgetting money (True Blue - 1/3/2008 10:53:36 PM)
Edwards needed a big win to restock his campaign chest.  A second place finish 7% down will not get him the money he needs to compete.

Edwards fought a great fight, but he's going to have a hard time going forward.



The sooner Edwards drops out (Chris Guy - 1/3/2008 10:59:16 PM)
the better for Obama imho.  


The question is (Ron1 - 1/3/2008 11:03:45 PM)
Does Obama go for the throat in this, and see if he can bring Edwards into his camp NOW as Veep? IMO, that would be game, set, match.

70% of the Dems in Iowa voted for some combination of Obama/Edwards/Richardson, i.e. the non-establishment candidates. That's a pretty solid coalition starting point, especially if he can bring Richardson in as Sec of State.

The only combination that would beat that would be if he could get a strong female governor on his ticket -- Kathleen Sebelius or Janet Napolitano. But if bringing in Edwards now assures him of the nomination, he'd be crazy not to do it, right?



Edwards for Attorney General (Rebecca - 1/3/2008 11:18:59 PM)
I hope Obama offers this to him.


An interesting idea (Ron1 - 1/3/2008 11:26:58 PM)
I dunno why, but that hadn't even crossed my mind. I was thinking more Sec of Labor (i.e., a Sec of Labor actually on the side of labor) or perhaps head of a New Orleans restoration project.

But AG might be a good fit.

Still, I think he'd have to offer Edwards the Veep slot to really cement his coalition between a non-ideological progressive (Obama) and a true populist.  



Really? (tx2vadem - 1/3/2008 11:06:33 PM)
The man had $12 million on hand at the end of Q3; that's more than many a Republican candidate.  The results could convince his supporters to redouble their efforts and give as much as they can.  With proportional allocation of pledged delegates, he may stay in the race until the end and deny the other two an outright majority.  

I think it is way too early to pronounce the Edwards candidacy DOA.



Believe me, money not forgotten (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:07:12 PM)
How much knowledge do you have regarding his finances?  You can't just say it is over until you do your homework.  The big question is how much is left.  If he can pull off a stronger than expected showing say in Florida or South Carolina - game on.


We'll know soon enough (True Blue - 1/3/2008 11:10:45 PM)

When are their 2007 Q4 numbers due?


Wikipedia delegate count/dates site (PM - 1/3/2008 10:39:24 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

For those who like to keep score, the Wikipedia site above gives the dates of each primary, and the number of delegates at stake.  It also gives the count on superdelegates who've already made endorsements.  

This other site below explains how the Democrats allocate delegates nationwide:  

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/...



Why does this matter? (TheGreenMiles - 1/3/2008 10:40:55 PM)
25,000 Iowans are excited about Mike Huckabee and this deserves wall-to-wall coverage on CNN? That would fill 1/4 of Fedex Field.


It matters (Ron1 - 1/3/2008 10:47:44 PM)
because the establishment media's Republican mouthpieces are about to collectively go crazy. Good theater.

Count me as root, root, rooting for Huckabee. The only Republicans that sort of scare me are McCain (because he can win) and Giuliani (because he's insane). Any of the other clowns get crushed in November.



Agree (PM - 1/3/2008 10:52:09 PM)
McCain can win, Giuliani is frightening, the other Repubs have displayed significant polling weaknesses in lots of states.


And not Huckabee? (tx2vadem - 1/3/2008 11:14:32 PM)
If he can pull off a Republican nomination, he is the perfect mix of economic populism and social conservatism.  The man is charming.  I think he has a stronger chance of winning than even McCain.


I just can't see Huckabee winning more than about 8 states (Ron1 - 1/3/2008 11:32:26 PM)
He'd fracture the normal Republican coalition -- libertarian types (the few that are left, granted), the country club set, and even some of the crazier neo-cons would not work for him.

And independents and 18-30 y.o. voters would flock in droves to Obama. I mean, it would be a landslide in the younger set.

Huck's combination of anti-evolution, general anti-science, know-nothingism, along with his fervent evangelicalism, would result in a rout.

Just my $.02, of course, but I think the only chance the Republicans have is if they nominate McCain, because he still (wrongly) maintains his indy cred in the press.



2000 and 2004 (tx2vadem - 1/3/2008 11:44:46 PM)
All of the things you dismiss Huckabee on were/are for the most part espoused by President Bush.  Only Huckabee actually walks the walk on "compassionate conservatism."

I doubt he would really fracture the Republican coalition.  And he has great potential for drawing away Democrats that are socially conservative.  He may not be the favorite of the Republican elite, but I bet they will back him once the nomination is over.  I doubt they are going fold up shop and vote for a Democrat, not vote, or send their money our way.  And at the end of the day, I bet he will get help from Rove and Bush.



bush vs. huckabee (bcat - 1/3/2008 11:59:38 PM)
Yeah, but Bush also came in waving the banner of corporate America, his talk about a personal savior notwithstanding. 2004 was a bit of an aberration--call it the War on Terror election--but in 2000, he did a pretty nice job of straddling the rift between the secular and non-secular wings of his party. I'm not sure you can say that same thing about Huckabee. He plays the evangelist role with much more authenticity, I think, than Bush, but looking over his record from Arkansas, I wouldn't expect him to fire up the anti-tax, anti-government types.

If it comes down to Huckabee, in other words, I would expect a lot of enthusiasm from Republican Christians, and a lot of nervous ambivalence from everyone else.



That's my point (Ron1 - 1/4/2008 12:01:02 AM)
All of the things you dismiss Huckabee on were/are for the most part espoused by President Bush.  Only Huckabee actually walks the walk on "compassionate conservatism."

Which is why Huckabee will get crushed. Any one that speaks like Mr. 28% did 8 years ago has no chance, absolutely no chance, to win. That brand is destroyed. You might argue that Bush never ACTUALLY went after that agenda, fine. But regardless, I think the profile of the heavily religious outsider trying to do the "compassionate conservative" route is doomed for quite a long time.

Independents and younger voters want no part of that type of agenda anymore.

As for socially conservative Dems, maybe some will leave the coalition to vote for a genuine social conservative. But I doubt that population is very high -- voters with a profile like that, where social issues trump the war and/or economic issues, are mostly Republicans already.



The Christian Right (tx2vadem - 1/4/2008 12:26:43 AM)
These voters won Ohio for Bush.  They are the foot soldiers of the Republican Party; they deliver the votes.  George Will and The Heritage Foundation don't.  I think you underestimate Huckabee.  And overestimate how much the rest of Republicans are going to object to him.  

Young voters don't historically show up.  Homogeneous, issue oriented groups do.

On the pull, he has economic issues down and the war may not be as much of an issue in November if violence continues to stay down.  It's not about social issues trumping other issues in drawing away support; it is about the combination of economic populism and social conservatism.  



It's 2008, not 2004 (Ron1 - 1/4/2008 1:05:31 AM)
C'mon, you have to recognize that this is a much different country than it was almost four years ago. Those same voters in Ohio delivered blowout, landslide victories for a Democratic Governor and a Democratic Senator in 2006. Bush and the Republicans Peter-and-the-Wolf-ed the fear card, slamming it over our collective consciousness every day since 9/11 -- and it got them a victory in 2004.

Since then, the whole country has slowly been opening its eyes. Reality eventually trumps a manufactured fear and loathing.

Ask Obama tonight if youth, first time voters, and independents can make a difference or not.

Bush's recipe was a one time deal. This country is becoming less and less a white, conservative, Christian electorate. That may be the Republican party base, but all that guarantees is a very long minority party status. Non-union, white, Christian males are the only demographic the Republicans have anymore. Huckabee may well win that demographic handily -- and lose the country by at least 60/40.  



If the race is Huckabee v. Obama (mkfox - 1/3/2008 10:43:53 PM)
then it'll be like the '60s Civil Rights Movement all over again: white Southern Baptist miniter versus black guy


heh (Sui Juris - 1/3/2008 11:05:03 PM)
Creationism now, creationism tomorrow, creationism forevah!


huckster (Newport News Dem - 1/4/2008 12:41:16 AM)
goes the way of pat robertson, another Iowa winner....


Tonight's allocation (PM - 1/3/2008 11:03:26 PM)
I understand the momentum, viability, etc. arguments about Iowa, and the effects of Iowa on other races.  But assuming something like a 37-30-29 breakdown, and given 56 delegates, does that mean Obama gets maybe 21 delegates, and perhaps Hillary and Edwards get 17 each?

On Super Tuesday over 2,000 delegates are chosen.



yup (Sui Juris - 1/3/2008 11:05:39 PM)
in any sane democracy, tonight is meaningless.

Beware the qualifiers.



Switching Between CNN- MSNBC (Gordie - 1/3/2008 11:06:38 PM)
the early voter polling had me predicting Obama would win.

Why?

Cause if their canvasing was correct, REPUBLICAN's switched parties to vote against Hillary. Obama's jump of 5-7 percentage points all came from Republicans or Independant leaning Republicans. All afraid that Hillary would win Iowa.

Don't believe it? Look at the low turn out of Republican voters. What were there 4 D votes to every R vote?



You're insane (DanG - 1/4/2008 4:15:58 AM)
That may be the worst pro-Hillary spin i've ever heard.


The same point could have been made (Lowell - 1/4/2008 6:34:54 AM)
without the "you're insane" part.  


Apparently (Gordie - 1/4/2008 7:58:33 AM)
You only hear what you want to hear.

And who the heck is spinning? I am not a Republican. I write what I believe to be facts, from the news that was reported on both CNN and MSNBC.

Now if the news media or others lie or spin lies, then I make the mistake of believing too much of what I hear.

We all walk the thin line of INSANE/SANITY, so be prepared for a cross over at some time in your life. And I hope you have the will power to return to sanity.

Can anyone explain the hundredths of a percentage point between Edwards and Clinton. That is the most impressive part of the caucus.



Tim Kaine statement (Lowell - 1/3/2008 11:15:01 PM)
Statement of the Governor on Senator Barack Obama's Iowa Caucus Win

PRESS RELEASE:  For Immediate Release                                                       CONTACT: Charlie Kelly                                                                    

January 3th, 2007                                                                                cell - (804) 822-1441

RICHMOND - Tim Kaine, national co-chair of the Obama for America campaign, released the following statement on Barack Obama's win in the Iowa Caucus.

"I want to congratulate Senator Obama on his solid victory in tonight's Iowa Caucus.

"Barack's success indicates his broad support and his ability to appeal to folks from across the political spectrum.

"Tonight we have seen that Iowans, like people here in Virginia and across America, are looking for real change in Washington."



Obama and Edwards carried the younger crowd (Rebecca - 1/3/2008 11:15:16 PM)
The Zogby polls didn't include people who cary cell phones instead of having a land line. That would cover many younger voters. That could explain why Obama and Edwards have bigger leads than expected.

One thing is for sure. They don't want another Clinton.



Hillary is seriously damaged by this (Rebecca - 1/3/2008 11:20:35 PM)
The question is whether or not it is a mortal wound.


Where will Clinton supporters go - and send their money? (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:23:08 PM)
Edwards or Obama?  Edwards came in second.  He was expected to come in a distant third.  He should ride this and give Obama and Clinton a run for their money.


Not a mortal wound or seriously damaged (tx2vadem - 1/3/2008 11:30:34 PM)
As of Q3, she had the most money on hand at $50 million.  She has more than enough money to run in all 50 states.  On top of that Iowa was not important to her overall run.

We'll see how things go in South Carolina which will be the most telling of these January events.  



tx2vadem is correct (True Blue - 1/4/2008 12:02:30 AM)
This is no big deal for Clinton, indeed, by holding Edwards to a 0.4% margin she has helped to finish Edwards.


Edwards is going on... (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:25:54 PM)
To New Hampshire, South Carolina, and beyond!!!  (without the Dean scream)


Edwards is done (DanG - 1/4/2008 12:53:50 AM)
He's down 20 points in NH and SC.  He's finished.

Obama 08!



218,000 caucus attendees for Dem's? (Lowell - 1/3/2008 11:28:34 PM)
That's according to NBC.


Politics aside (relawson - 1/3/2008 11:31:54 PM)
This is a great night for Democrats.  Even though my guy didn't come in first, the turnout is a great sign for us all.  


Both winners are indicators of rising populism (Rebecca - 1/4/2008 12:00:18 AM)
Obama and Huckabee both represent in their own ways the rise of anti-corporate populism. Edwards' strong showing is also an indicator of this. The American people, both Democrats and Republicans are tired of being ruled by the military-industrial complex.

The political engineering which once fused the corporate interests and the social values of Christian conservatives has now mutated. The DNA has recombined and reassembled itself into a Republican anti-corporate socially conservative politics. Thus we see the law of unintended consequences for the Republicans, and some poetic justice as well.



I agree (relawson - 1/4/2008 12:06:25 AM)
My question with Obama is if he is truly going to go up against special interests.  Edwards is much more absolute on this.

Don't get me wrong, I'll hop on the Obama band wagon if I think Edwards is out and Hillary may take the lead.  But when it comes to the candidate least likely to sell out to big business, I think that guy is Edwards.

Clinton on the other hand represents the status quo.  Her campaign is financed by big money.  I can't imagine voting for her.  I'd throw up!