Senate vs. House....Again?

By: Lowell
Published On: 11/8/2007 8:58:31 AM

Now that we're all done nursing our election party hangovers, the cold reality -- and I mean cold, there was frost on my windshield this morning! -- settles in.  Here's a sobering thought, courtesy of the Washington Post:

Democrats also face the grim prospect that their victory may end up looking somewhat empty. Although the Senate will have a slender Democratic majority, the House of Delegates -- which has repeatedly blocked Democratic initiatives to invest in the state's future -- will remain under barely dented Republican control. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, who worked so hard (and spent so heavily) to help get fellow Democrats elected, may find that the new legislature is no friendlier a place to do business than the old.

In other words, the more things change, the more they stay the same.  Unfortunately, it seems like this could indeed be the case.  Let's face it, the State Senate -- with its moderate Republicans like Russ Potts and John Chichester -- had NOT been the problem the past few years.  No, that dubious honor goes to the House of Delegates, and particularly to hard-right-wing Republicans like Bill Howell, Terry Kilgore, Jeff Frederick and the like. 

After Tuesday, will the House of Delegates be any more willing to work with Tim Kaine the (now Democratic) State Senate than last year?  Unfortunately, it appears highly doubtful, at least based on the comments we're hearing today:
*Terry Kilgore says, "It just doesn't do any good to be bipartisan with Tim Kaine. He'll cut your hands off the next day."  Nice!

*House Majority Leader H. Morgan Griffith says, "The Senate Democrats will push a more liberal agenda . . . [but] they have to get permission to pass anything."  In other words, "nyet."

*Del. Dave "Abuser Fees" Albo says, "We still have an eight-seat majority...They will never take the majority. Never." 

I don't know, but this doesn't sound too promising to me.  How about you?  Here's the Washington Post again on the Virginia balance of power after Tuesday's elections:

The change in the overall dynamic of the Senate, however, might not be that noticeable. Moderate Republicans have controlled the Senate for the past seven years. And because several conservatives were replaced by Democrats in Tuesday's elections, many analysts predict Senate Democrats and Republicans will work closely together.

But House Republicans now become the party's dominant voice in government and will play a critical role in helping the party develop a plan to attempt a comeback before the 2009 governor's race. "With the House acting as the lead, they can stop bad things and be a firewall, or they can be the one that generates new ideas for Virginia," said Cantor, a former delegate.

So there you have it.  On Tuesday, Democrats took back the moderate chamber (the Senate) in the General Assembly while leaving the right-wing ideologues entrenched in the House of Delegates. True, Democrats chipped away a bit, picking up 4 seats in the House.  Still, the right-wing flat-earthers remain firmly in charge, with the power to block anything coming out of the Senate.

In sum, what it looks like as we cool down and reflect on Tuesday's results, is that in many ways we're back in the same place we were prior to Tuesday.  The key is taking back the House of Delegates, or at least getting very close, and we didn't do that on Tuesday (obviously, it would have been an extreme longshot).  Given that, I'd have to go with the famous French saying, "Plus +ša change, plus c'est la m+Žme chose."  The more things change, the more they stay the same. 


Comments



Yes...but!!! (doctormatt06 - 11/8/2007 9:19:13 AM)
Now with Democrats in control of the Senate, the leading Republicans are all the hard more right-wing conservatives.  If they are going to be the face of the Republican party in Virginia, expect more moderates and more independents to peal away from the Republicans over time.  And I expect even Prince William, will start swinging away from the Republican Party by  2009, unless of course like the Federal Congressional Dems, these Dems consistently just start shooting themselves in the foot.


Perhaps, but what I'm writing about here (Lowell - 11/8/2007 9:23:18 AM)
is strictly the House-Senate-Governor balance of power following Tuesday's elections.  Honestly, I see miniscule if any change in that regard.  Maybe if we had picked up 6-8 House seats...but we didn't.


Exactly correct (snolan - 11/8/2007 9:53:37 AM)
It is one reason I decided to focus my efforts more on house races than senate ones.  Oh don't get me wrong, it is nice to have a senate majority, and very nice that a few Northern Virginians are leaders now, but the house is the chamber we need to fix more.

It was the sicker of the two chambers, it needs more attention.
We need to run more candidates and improve our becoming excellent ground game even more.  We need to take the house away from demagogues.



Exactly (Teddy - 11/8/2007 9:38:47 AM)
what I feared, especially considering two things Speaker Howell has said: First, last session, when he said something to the effect of, "we cooperated with Mark Warner and raised taxes, but we learned our lesson: Never Again!" and so they stymied Kaine at every turn.  Second, just after this year's election Howell remarked that losing only four seats in the House showed how strongly Republican Virginia (the real Virginia?) is, so the GOP would continue enforcing the Republican anti-tax policies--- and, presumably, the ret of their anti-everything ideology. 

Considering this record of deliberate intransigeance from  national level to state (didn't Senator Trott say "obstructionism has been working for us?") perhaps the Democrats should do as some in the House of Representatives have done, and investigate or otherwise highlight a few of the Republican shenanigans and operatives, not to mention the republican complete political manipulative intransigence... Terry Kilgore said it didn't do any good to cooperate with Kaine because he'd cut your hand off later(sort of like President Bush at the national level, eh?). Let's not disappoint Terry. There are plenty of questionable links and peculiar goings-on by self-righteous elephant-folk which deserve a look-see. Let's start now laying the groundwork for the next House of Delegates races in two years.

It's a shame it has come to this; people say they're tired of partisan rancor. Oh? Why, then, does it work for Republicans over and over.  Yet when Democrats try to extend the hand of bipartisanship they get blamed for partisanship equally with Republicans for contributing to partisanship rancor.  If you're going to be tarred with that brush anyway, don't hesitate to respond... graefully of course, and with malicious intent.



All true ... (Rob - 11/8/2007 9:59:36 AM)
The grand prize here is a seat at the redistricting table and a continued show of progressive momentum.

However, if the HOD wants to be obstructionists ... and admit that's their battle plan, they'll come to regret it down the road.



Redistricting may be the "grand prize" (Lowell - 11/8/2007 10:50:02 AM)
but there are lots of other prizes as well, ranging from the environment to pre-K to transportation to...lots of things.


Screw you Dave Albo (afausser - 11/8/2007 10:06:38 AM)
I'm ready for 09. Let's prove him wrong.


Positioning (Arlington Mike - 11/8/2007 10:48:24 AM)
It's all about preemptive positioning.

Before we even get to 2008, Democrats need to start positioning the HOD as obstructionist, anti-progress, etc.  Rather than let them define VA Dems as liberal, tax-raising, out-of-touch, etc., VA Dems need to actively plan an agenda that includes hard-to-refuse items and need to push it as the right thing for all of Virginia.  And then need to be aggressive in asking GOP HOD members how they can resist things like education funding, healthcare, transportation, whatever.

Democrats consistently fail at defining their opponents; it's something the GOP has excelled at during Bush's time in office.  On a local level, it has the power to shape how both sides are perceived.  VA Dems aren't trying to ram through a liberal agenda, they are fighting for things that all Virginians believe in, and are being blocked by the HOD, which refuses to acknowledge the need to move Virginia forward to maintain our competitive advantages.  It's not about liberal versus conservative, it's about what's right for Virginia's families, hard-working middle class, growing base of brainpower, active military presence, and business community.

Otherwise, HOD members will continue to do what they've already done - witness Griffith's quote.



Republicans will FORCE a Democratic Majority (The Grey Havens - 11/8/2007 11:08:59 AM)
We should all keep that article and send it to Dave Albo in 2009 with his quote highlighted when voters demand a Democratic majority.

The real insight in this article comes from Brian Moran:

"The lesson learned from [Tuesday's] election is to govern from the middle," said Del. Brian J. Moran (D-Alexandria)

It's a lesson that Democrats have learned, and from which their victories have emerged.  This crop of Gilmore/Allen Republicans is incapable of governing from the middle.

Thus, when Albo says "They will never take the majority. Never."  he's right.

Democrats will not take the majority, Republican will give it away, by alienating and failing to serve the interests of Virginia's voters.

Albo is the last one to be pounding his chest, it's precisely his ideology and incompetence which will pave the way for an enduring Democratic majority in the Commonwealth of Virginia... including the House of Delegates.



Albo's also the last person to talk (Lowell - 11/8/2007 11:15:32 AM)
because despite having no opposition, a LOT of people wrote in "Mickey Mouse" or whoever instead of voting for him.  If Albo had faced a strong Dem. candidate this year, he would have gotten his butt kicked.  In 2009, he won't be so lucky.


Albo's also the last person to talk (Lowell - 11/8/2007 11:15:32 AM)
because despite having no opposition, a LOT of people wrote in "Mickey Mouse" or whoever instead of voting for him.  If Albo had faced a strong Dem. candidate this year, he would have gotten his butt kicked.  In 2009, he won't be so lucky.


The irony is (citizenindy - 11/8/2007 12:53:00 PM)
that when the Democrats take control they will eventually get pushed further to the left (by some of you guys in particular I say this in kindness :-) and the republicans will come back.  Its a political fact and its also healthy and best for small d democracy. 

I am going to save the Moran quote and watch what happens during the democratic primary against Deeds

Warner and Deeds Moderate
Kaine and Moran Liberal scratch that Progressive 



Maybe Rome (or Richmond) wasn't conquered in a day, (pol - 11/8/2007 11:37:05 AM)
but we got started. Eight more seats to take next time!


8 is less than 11 (snolan - 11/8/2007 12:54:47 PM)
Targeting 8 more seats to take will be much easier than targeting 11-12 like we were trying to do this year.


NoVA needs to stick together (formerMDresident - 11/8/2007 11:49:44 AM)
Now that NoVA senators are in charge of VA senate, my opinion is that all the NoVA legislators need to stick together and work to get more money back from Richmond from what we send there.  This will force the NoVA Repubs to either work with the NoVA Dems on $$$ issues that affect NoVA or to keep voting with the western VA Repubs who want to keep as much of our $$$ as they have in the past.  Then in the next election cycle, all Dems need to do is to highlight this - and see how they explain this.  FYI - I asked both Chap and JMDD about this issue.  Chap predicted a huge change while JMDD pleaded to keep the status quo, that's how the commonwealth "works".  No wonder she got voted out - she became insignicant.


NoVA needs to stick together (formerMDresident - 11/8/2007 11:51:17 AM)
...she became insignificant.


The senate will be fascinating (citizenindy - 11/8/2007 12:55:51 PM)
There are going to be lots of tough votes for Chap, Obrien and Cooch I'll throw Herring and Colgan into the mix as well.  Those five are going to have a big impact on what gets out of the senate


BARKER WON! (j - 11/8/2007 1:02:25 PM)
Barker beat O'Brien in an awesome race.


haha good catch :-) (citizenindy - 11/8/2007 2:10:45 PM)


so will the house (formerMDresident - 11/8/2007 7:25:20 PM)
The NoVA House Dems should work with the Senate to get more $$ too, and force the NoVA House Repubs to decide whether they should work for their constituents in terms of bringing back more $$$ or continue to stay in line with the House Repub leaders.  If they continue the way they have in the past, then we can use their votes to show that they don't care about NoVA.


Howell and the HOD (veryblue - 11/8/2007 11:54:14 AM)
Mr. Bill had two opponents in this race, neither bothered to campaign much.  Matthews spend $5,000, made few public appearances, and basically only put signs up on E-Day. He sat over in Fredericksburg playing the noble, uninvolved opponent role. Mr. Ennis placed a few signs and went to at least one public appearance.

STILL, together Ennis and Matthews got 35% of the vote.  There was a 35% increase in voters in HOD 28th, too! In 2003, Howell got 7,373 votes -- about 96%.  On Tuesday he got 7,205 votes about 65%. 

When Mr. Bill goes back to Richmond, the HOD Reps may want a more moderate face. Him and the remaining hard-right NOVA HODs might be relegated to a legistative corner, regardless of the tough guy comments from Albo and his ilk. 



Idiot quote by Albo (Lowell - 11/8/2007 12:35:59 PM)
From the Virginia Politics blog, Anita Kumar (an excellent reporter, by the way!), writes:

An extraordinary number - more than 12 percent - of the vote in 42nd District in Fairfax County for write-in candidates. In one precinct it was higher than 37 percent.

Albo said a handful of anti-Republican activists who run the albomustgo Web site stood outside three precincts - Lorton, Lorton Station and Laurel Hill - to convince voters to write in other candidates' names. That doesn't explain the high numbers, one more than 10 percent, in some of the other precincts.

"It's an 8th grade campaign,'' Albo said. "They hate Republicans."

No, Dave, YOU are an 8th grade delegate.  And yeah, we don't particularly like you OR your @#$%@#$% abuser fees.  Wait 'til 2009!



A Pyrrhic Victory then? (tx2vadem - 11/8/2007 2:08:44 PM)
So a few diaries back, you were lauding Tim Kaine and the party leaders as winners.  But now, are they really winners?  The outcome of this will most likely be gridlock.  And what will become of Tim Kaine's legacy?  Is he really still a winner?

Thankfully, Republican social conservative hooey will now be scuttled in the Senate.  Though, it's doubtful that they won't still waste legislative time on the House side passing that B.S.  On the things that really matter though, that are driven by fiscal policy, we are essentially in the same position.  But who knows, they might get some compromise bills out that aren't half-bad.



Yes, they're winners. (Lowell - 11/8/2007 2:15:44 PM)
Picking up 8 seats in one day is great news.  All I'm saying is that the State Senate wasn't the major problem, the House of Delegates was.  But yeah, it's a major positive that the Senate isn't controlled by the same flat-earth ideologues as the House. And we DID get closer in the House, but we still have a ways to go. In the meantime, based on the statements by House Republicans, expect little if any cooperation and lots of nasty rhetoric coming from that body.


Don't forget what happened with HB3202 (elevandoski - 11/8/2007 9:05:04 PM)
and how the GOP controlled Senate caved to the House.  That kind of crap can't happen anymore, thank God!


You are right (tx2vadem - 11/8/2007 11:46:30 PM)
Instead of a bill, there will be no bill.  And the less money spent, the happier anti-tax House Republican are.  I'm sure they could honestly care less if they managed to defund all state programs.


Response to the glass half-full crowd... (Kindler - 11/8/2007 8:17:36 PM)
Jeez, guys, we just wrested half of the General Assembly away from the Republicans, so what's with all the gloom and doom?  Political struggles sometimes last generations -- just gotta keep your eyes on the prize and take advantage of every yard you gain.

I think the Democratic takeover of the U.S. Congress has proven that where flipping control of a legislature can make the most difference is in changing the conversation -- providing the opportunity to highlight the issues that matter most to Dems, from climate change to education to health care. 

The more we highlight these winning issues, the more progress we make -- including the chance to mobilize public support around these issues.  If we do that effectively, we may even be able to pressure a few Repub Delegates to support us on some key issues.  If they don't play along, then we make sure they pay for it in the next election.

If that doesn't make you feel better, think back to just a few years ago when people like Allen and Gilmore were running the show.  We've come a long way, baby!



Maybe you are getting the vibe wrong (tx2vadem - 11/8/2007 11:58:27 PM)
I love that we won the Senate.  And you are absolutely right that it will allow Democrats to control the agenda in that chamber and set the message.

But the issues facing the state of Virginia are urgent ones.  The more time we lose on them, the more of what makes our state great slips away.  And we still have the I-believe-in-the-fairy-tale-that-you-can-get-something-for-nothing Republicans controlling the House.  Then end result being that I expect little to get done.  I will be surprised if they don't need to go into special session to pass the next biennial budget.

And, of course, low turn out is kind of depressing.  Why less people vote in state elections than in federal ones is perplexing given that state officials have a much greater impact on your daily life than federal ones.

Rome certainly wasn't built in a day, but the sacking of it didn't take long.  Destruction works much faster than creation.  And that is what we have to fear from obstructionist Republicans.



Beyond the election... (Kindler - 11/9/2007 12:23:02 AM)
All very well said and points well taken. 

I would just add one thing, which is that Dems need to remember how to move people to get inspired by our issues to the point that Joe Sixpack is calling up his representatives, Dem or Repub, to demand action.  It's not just about Election Day, it's about mobilizing everyday citizens to demand positive change after the election too. 

That way, maybe sometimes on some votes, we can move even the Cro-Magnon House to do the right thing...