Gravel-Kucinich 2008

as Paul and Tancredo have, that they will not support their party's nominee? 

Ron Paul would likely steal away a small percentage of independents who would otherwise vote Democratic...

I think he'd be taking away FAR more GOP voters especially given both of them and their anti-immigrant fervor.

Sorry, but that's a fully Republican ship that's already set sail, and I'd be more than happy for it to wash up on the beaches of Paul-Tancredo!!

Recent ABC poll shows Democrats relatively evenly split on illegal immigration. The Republicans seem split too but do lean a little bit more against illegal immigration. 

It's the independents who are up in arms over illegal immigration: ..Independents (60 percent) say illegal immigrants do more to hurt the country than help.

Regardless, Paul is a joke and will poll the customary 1/2 of one percent of the vote that the Libertarian candidate traditionally gets in the general election (much to the dismay of high school Republicans everywhere).

While it is very easy to be blinded by the national map painted blue and red in recent years, but one should remember that there are equal numbers of voting Democrats very concerned over illegal immigration and its impacts. I sat in where teachers, who across the country tend to vote more Democratic are speaking out against these impacts that illegal have on the education system. Localties have to fund English as a second language programs which requires significant funding through the elementary level where arguements are being made for funding for other programs like Pre-K that people really want to be funded. This is not meant to inflame anyoneit is but an example of the conflict everyday people are having with the growing problem.If you think its just Republicans it may because of the professional politician talking points, but at the local level Democrats, Independents, and Republicans are equally concerned how it all plays to their communities. maybe people have a national view in terms of borders, amnesty etc, but then have a very different in my back yard view. I think thats the case. Maybe the local statewide House and Senate elections may give us better incite into this next month. My concern is what if by chance Republicans hold in the GA, what are we then to take away from it on Nov. 6th from a local perspective?

until the desperate Republicans made it one, according to some doorknocking candidates with whom I've spoken--- on their first pass through a neighborhood, no one even mentioned immigration; on their second pass through the same neighborhood, suddenly they started hearing about immigration.  Nevertheless, JScott, I believe you have a point; this has become a sleeper issue waking up to political life, the new "wedge" issue.

The irony is, the entire issue of illegals was created pretty much by the Republican president Reagan, who changed the arrival of illegals into a mere administrative fault in order to facilitate the use of their labor in the California farms, intending thereby to break the back of Ceasar Chavez' farm union. And now the Republicans are using the illegals to pummel Democrats, as if it were not the fault of a Republican policy in the first place. In other words, illegal immigration is not a "problem" it is a symptom--- of bad federal policy, and you cannot use a stte-applied bandaid to fix it.  Do you think the voters will sit still for that explanation, though?

although I suspect a Tancredo undercard would have a greater impact with the GOP defections.

Paul-Tancredo and Kucinich-Gravel as Third and Fourth Party candidates? Sounds good to me -- after all these years of Bush-Cheney, America needs some serious laughing.

Oh, and I would like to see Hunter running for dogcatcher somewhere -- surly curs would vanish asap.

Wouldn't trust hunter to catch dogs, Unless you wanted to see pictures of dogs getting waterboarded and electrocuted.

He is a dingbat, and he doesn't bump polls that much, but that $5 million quarter came from someone. He's got a decent national swell behind him, and if you think he wouldn't pull some anti-war indys to his side as a 3rd party candidate you are dreaming.

Ever since the 2013 comments there is no candidate for the anti-war left.  He would definently have a shot for pulling some of these voters.

It seems to me that Paul's opposition to the invasion of Iraq will eliminate him from consideration as the standard bearer of the holy war that Dr. Dobson and some of his cronies are threatening if old Rudy is the GOP nom.

I hope that the righteous ones won't lose heart as there are two Senators with impeccably conservative voting records who may be looking to make a move:

Craig-Vitter '08

Not just a chicken in every pot,
some good luvin' in the stall or bordello of your choice.